Coordinators not adapting schemes

[Motorin']

2 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

When you're ripping off 20 yard runs, how is that any different than throwing 20 yard passes?

 

 

 

A massive day running the ball is around 200 yards. A massive day throwing the ball is around 400 yards.

 

It's as simple as moving the length of the field twice vs four times.  

[NoSaint]

3 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

When you're ripping off 20 yard runs, how is that any different than throwing 20 yard passes?

 

 

How many of those? How many shorter? How much time comes off the clock for a stuffed run vs an incomplete pass?

 

20 - 2 - 3 - 10 rushing is 2 minutes for 35 yards and low risk of the blown play 60 yard touchdown

 

20 -incomplete - incomplete - 15 is 1 minute for 35 yards

[BillsFan130]

4 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 You're playing the what if game. What I'd Josh played lights out in the 2nd half, like he usually does? What if he doesn't throw two 2nd half ints? What if we converted our 3rd downs like we usually do.

 

 Also the OPI wasn't lame, he manhandled Elam to get wide open, it's a penalty every time. AND how for the life of me are you going to sit there and say we almost let GB win? After the first play in the 2nd quarter, that game was never in doubt. They were up 3 scores for a good chunk of the game until a garbage time td cut it to 10.

 

 Giving up 60 yard plays is how you LOSE a game like this. You must be new to football. SMH

 

 

 

It wasn’t a penalty. It was soft.

 

I am not saying GB “almost won”.

 

But they needed a game script to win. Control the clock, limit Josh, and be efficient.

 

The bills seemingly let them do that script fairly well .

 

The difference? Bills made a few clutch plays on 4th down and In the red zone

 

My overall point is when I have Josh Allen and I’m playing against a mediocre offence, make them get in a shoot out with you..

 

GB wanted to run the ball/control clock, and the bills let them do it and it gave them “half a chance”.

 

If bills played more aggressive in defence, i think they win by 4-5 touchdowns 

 

 

[inthebuff]

3 hours ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

I think Leslie Frazier knows how to put 8 guys in the box.  Packers were slowly drinking poison with their offensive play calling and he was letting them.

They were down by 14 points throughout most of the game and they kept running the ball.  It seemed to me that the Bills' coaching staff was OK with them running out the clock for us.  

[unbillievable]

GB was down three scores and gave themselves only 3 possessions in the 2nd half at 8mins a drive...

 

I guess that gives you a chance.

 

 

[JDubya76]

13 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

That game was a Crosby missed FG and fairly weak OPI call from being tied. You're making it sound like we were comfortably ahead.  We weren't.  It was the way WE were playing that was the reason we didn't know the game was over until Crosby missed the FG.

If my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle

[Awwufelloff]

The interviews with Von and Greg were telling. The Packers were in an obvious passing situation and kept running it. They were so confused at one point Von asked Rodgers what are you guys doing, you're down 17 pts and we're in the 4th quarter. 

[unbillievable]

Allow 7 yards a run bleeding off 30secs each time or allow 7 yards a pass with the clock stopping half the time...

1 minute ago, Awwufelloff said:

The interviews with Von and Greg were telling. The Packers were in an obvious passing situation and kept running it. They were so confused at one point Von asked Rodgers what are you guys doing, you're down 17 pts and we're in the 4th quarter. 

 

It was quite obvious that the plan after the half was to prevent a blowout. The Packers wanted it to "look" close at the end.

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Awwufelloff said:

The interviews with Von and Greg were telling. The Packers were in an obvious passing situation and kept running it. They were so confused at one point Von asked Rodgers what are you guys doing, you're down 17 pts and we're in the 4th quarter. 

 

The Packers were trying to get back to the bus and save some face. Essentially forfeiting without blatantly quitting.

 

Both Rodgers and LaFleur know enough about football to know their gameplan wasnt going to get them a victory. They were merely trying to prevent an embarrassing blowout on national TV.

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

6 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

So they have to lose for us to question why they were allowing GB to rip of 10, 20+ yard runs repeatedly and playing nickel when the formations said run? 

 

And why Frazier was playing like he was scared to death of GBs receivers, when their receivers are their weak spot?

That game was a Crosby missed FG and fairly weak OPI call from being tied. You're making it sound like we were comfortably ahead.  We weren't.  It was the way WE were playing that was the reason we didn't know the game was over until Crosby missed the FG.

Missed opi call away from being a game aka we would’ve given up two big chunk passing tds and you wanted us to load up against the run lol massively contradictory

 

You can’t play this what if game when 7 of the packers 17 points came from a completely improbable td catch by doubs.  He would make that play maybe 5 times if given 100 attempts. It’s way more likely he drops that ball than the refs deciding not to call a tossup opi on tonyan 

 

This revisionist history is absurd…the game was over long before the missed Crosby fg.  If Crosby hits that fg the packers would’ve needed to recover an onside kick then drive 60 yards with no timeouts and 40ish seconds left just to tie the game.  The game was never close 

[unbillievable]

 

The Bills were used to rushing the passer when got ahead, might be why they allowed big runs to happen.

Might need to watch that get exploited when the Bills are up by 3 scores...

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

Just now, BillsFan130 said:

It wasn’t a penalty. It was soft.

 

I am not saying GB “almost won”.

 

But they needed a game script to win. Control the clock, limit Josh, and be efficient.

 

The bills seemingly let them do that script fairly well .

 

The difference? Bills made a few clutch plays on 4th down and In the red zone

 

My overall point is when I have Josh Allen and I’m playing against a mediocre offence, make them get in a shoot out with you..

 

GB wanted to run the ball/control clock, and the bills let them do it and it gave them “half a chance”.

 

If bills played more aggressive in defence, i think they win by 4-5 touchdowns 

 

 

 A shootout is the last thing you want  against an inferior team, wtf? What you want is to do what they did last night, let them chew up alot of clock while producing very few points.

 

 No way we win by 4-5 tds last night with Rodgers back there. He would've had to fall completely apart and throw several picks for that to happen. Zack Wilson - yes, Aaron Rodgers - nope. You're living in a pipe dream if you really believe that.

 

Also 100% disagree on the OPI, the refs have been calling plays like that all year. Kelce had a much weaker one called on him against us just 2 weeks ago.

 

 

 

 

[Billz4ever]

14 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

I like how we’re criticizing our own coaches for letting GB hand us the game lol. 

Handing us the game?  GB was doing what they knew they had to do because they knew their receiving corp is trash.  Frazier was acting like their receivers were "the greatest show on turf" reborn.

[unbillievable]

Just now, Billz4ever said:

Handing us the game?  GB was doing what they knew they had to do because they knew their receiving corp is trash.  Frazier was acting like their receivers were "the greatest show on turf" reborn.

 

Why would you want to stop an offense from doing what you want them to do?

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

Handing us the game?  GB was doing what they knew they had to do because they knew their receiving corp is trash.  Frazier was acting like their receivers were "the greatest show on turf" reborn.

 

No.

[Billz4ever]

12 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

How many of those? How many shorter? How much time comes off the clock for a stuffed run vs an incomplete pass?

 

20 - 2 - 3 - 10 rushing is 2 minutes for 35 yards and low risk of the blown play 60 yard touchdown

 

20 -incomplete - incomplete - 15 is 1 minute for 35 yards

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low risk of the blown play 60 yard touchdown

And there it is.  Playing scared against a team whose receivers are their weakness instead of making them beat you with them.  

[JerseyBills]

2 hours ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

It was truly bizarre.  They’re in desperation mode at 3-4 yesterday and they didn’t even try to let their HoF QB win them the game.

I was amazed by that as well. I just feel like they have zero confidence in their Wrs and our pass rush was dominant imo despite the numbers, they impacted Rodgers all night. Our secondary was dominant and they had no other choice. really goes to show how great this d is. 

 

As far as op i semi agree about not running Motor more while up but we have the opposite problem in that we have extreme confidence in our wrs but we should absolutely put it in Motors hands more. Hes a legit RB1 and is playing great

[BillsFan130]

2 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 A shootout is the last thing you want  against an inferior team, wtf? What you want is to do what they did last night, let them chew up alot of clock while producing very few points.

 

 No way we win by 4-5 tds last night with Rodgers back there. He would've had to fall completely apart and throw several picks for that to happen. Zack Wilson - yes, Aaron Rodgers - nope. You're living in a pipe dream if you really believe that.

 

Also 100% disagree on the OPI, the refs have been calling plays like that all year. Kelce had a much weaker one called on him against us just 2 weeks ago.

 

 

 

 

You challenge them a shootout..

what does Green Bay want to do and what do they do best?

 

Run the ball and control the clock right?

 

Make them beat you with their 4th 5th and practice squad WRs…

 

If they get a big play? Who cares… you have Josh freaking Allen and can answer in a heart beat…..

 

I also think part of the reason Josh sucked in the 2nd half was because he was on the bench for the whole half.

 

He is a rhythm passer and him sitting down for 7-9 minute drives is a killer for the offensive momentum.

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, unbillievable said:

 

Why would you want to stop an offense from doing what you want them to do?

 

 

You mean ripping off 10, 20 yard runs at a time?  Those are a good as a pass.  This game was a Crosby missed FG and fairly weak OPI call from being tied.

[unbillievable]

3 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

You mean ripping off 10, 20 yard runs at a time?  Those are a good as a pass. 

it also costs them 30 seconds a run vs a pass which stops the clock half the time.

 

They limited themselves to 3 possessions in the 2nd half while behind 3 scores.

Edited October 31, 2022 by unbillievable

[Billz4ever]

2 minutes ago, unbillievable said:

it also costs them 30 seconds a run vs a pass which stops the clock half the time.

 

They limited themselves to 3 possessions in the 2nd half while behind 3 scores.

Instead of making them beat us with their weak receivers, we allowed them to gash our D on the ground.

 

Makes no sense at all.  

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

You challenge them a shootout..

what does Green Bay want to do and what do they do best?

 

Run the ball and control the clock right?

 

Make them beat you with their 4th 5th and practice squad WRs…

 

If they get a big play? Who cares… you have Josh freaking Allen and can answer in a heart beat…..

 

I also think part of the reason Josh sucked in the 2nd half was because he was on the bench for the whole half.

 

He is a rhythm passer and him sitting down for 7-9 minute drives is a killer for the offensive momentum.

 

 WRONG again. Green Bay entered that game averaging less than 100 yards rushing per game, it's not what they have been doing best, it's the exact opposite of that. Keep trying though.

 

 While it may help Josh to stay in rhythm, it's nor a necessity by any means. If that was the case we wouldn't score so many first possession tds because he wouldn't be in rhythm yet. Heck they went right down the field and scored a td on our first possession of the year.

 

 

[unbillievable]

8 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

You challenge them a shootout..

what does Green Bay want to do and what do they do best?

 

Run the ball and control the clock right?

 

Make them beat you with their 4th 5th and practice squad WRs…

 

If they get a big play? Who cares… you have Josh freaking Allen and can answer in a heart beat…..

 

I also think part of the reason Josh sucked in the 2nd half was because he was on the bench for the whole half.

 

He is a rhythm passer and him sitting down for 7-9 minute drives is a killer for the offensive momentum.

 

Going up 24-7 was challenging GB to a shootout.  The Bills defense was playing for a shoot out.

 

GB just said, "no thanks. I'm happy to just run out the clock and go home with a moral victory."

2 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Instead of making them beat us with their weak receivers, we allowed them to gash our D on the ground.

 

Makes no sense at all.  

 

Makes perfect sense.

Even the announcers were confused why GB was running the Ball.

 

"never interrupt an enemy when he's making a mistake."

Edited October 31, 2022 by unbillievable

[BillsFan130]

3 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 WRONG again. Green Bay entered that game averaging less than 100 yards rushing per game, it's not what they have been doing best, it's the exact opposite of that. Keep trying though.

 

 While it may help Josh to stay in rhythm, it's nor a necessity by any means. If that was the case we wouldn't score so many first possession tds because he wouldn't be in rhythm yet. Heck they went right down the field and scored a td on our first possession of the year.

 

 

So you’re saying green bays game script for winning this game wouldn’t go through giving it to their two best players (Jones and Dillon) while controlling the clock?

4 minutes ago, unbillievable said:

 

Going up 24-7 was challenging GB to a shootout.  The Bills defense was playing for a shoot out.

 

GB just said, "no thanks. I'm happy to just run out the clock and go home with a moral victory."

I am strictly talking about defence, nothing to do with the offensive side.

[Motorin']

7 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Instead of making them beat us with their weak receivers, we allowed them to gash our D on the ground.

 

Makes no sense at all.  

 

This is a passing league and if you make teams like the Packers (or Chiefs) commit to running you are taking away their best weapon. 

 

Rodgers only had like 75 yards through the first 3 quarters.

 

And it doesn't matter how many running yards they had, bc they scored 0 running TD's. You don't get points for rushing yards. 

 

Rodgers did throw for 2 TD's, and had they ran on those plays the final score would have probably been 27-9. 

 

The only way a team runs the ball as often as the Packers did last night and beats the Bills is if they can hold the Bills O to under 17 points. They couldn't do that in the first half. 

 

Yet you're saying the Bills had a better chance of winning of we stacked the box and covered their RB's or TE's with Dodson or Bernard? 

 

Edited October 31, 2022 by Motorin'

[unbillievable]

1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said:

So you’re saying green bays game script for winning this game wouldn’t go through giving it to their two best players (Jones and Dillon) while controlling the clock?

That was their gameplan when the score was 0-0.

It becomes an idiotic gameplan down 7-24.

 

 

[Motorin']

1 minute ago, unbillievable said:

That was their gameplan when the score was 0-0.

It becomes an idiotic gameplan down 7-24.

 

 

 

Exactly, that's a great game plan if you can win 17-13. 

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

So you’re saying green bays game script for winning this game wouldn’t go through giving it to their two best players (Jones and Dillon) while controlling the clock?

I am strictly talking about defence, nothing to do with the offensive side.

 

 I'm not the one that said it's what GB does best, you did. I just was pointing out it wasn't. Even after their huge night running the ball they average less rushing yards per game than we do. And you're not going to find anyone saying we do a good job in the running game. So what you said is incorrect.

 

 

[DrDawkinstein]

11 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Instead of making them beat us with their weak receivers, we allowed them to gash our D on the ground.

 

Makes no sense at all.  

 

Did they win?

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, unbillievable said:

That was their gameplan when the score was 0-0.

It becomes an idiotic gameplan down 7-24.

 

 

Not really though as that was their only chance.

 

If Tonyuns TD stands which it should have, it’s a 27-17 game with basically a full quarter to go.

 

And we know how the bills offence looked in the 4th.  Which again I’ll say, part of the reason they sucked is cause Josh is a rhythm passer and he was on the sidelines all half

[billsfan1959]

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Did they win?

 

A thought that, inexplicably, seems to be lost on a few people...

[Royale with Cheese]

12 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Instead of making them beat us with their weak receivers, we allowed them to gash our D on the ground.

 

Makes no sense at all.  

 

Yeah, its why we lost the game because we couldn't stop the run in the 2nd half and the 10 points we gave up was killer.

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 I'm not the one that said it's what GB does best, you did. I just was pointing out it wasn't. Even after their huge night running the ball they average less rushing yards per game than we do. And you're not going to find anyone saying we do a good job in the running game. So what you said is incorrect.

 

 

Green bays offence does nothing well buddy lol.

 

Have you seen Aaron Rodgers stats this year and their pass protection/weapons?

 

Running the ball was their only chance to win this game.

 

Which goes back to my original point… make their practice squad WRs beat you consistently and see if their piss poor o line holds up…

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

Just now, billsfan1959 said:

 

A thought that, inexplicably, seems to be lost on a few people...

 

A team is down by 3 scores and they are running the ball continuing chewing up the clock while scoring 10 points in the second half....yeah I'll take that.

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Not really though as that was their only chance.

 

If Tonyuns TD stands which it should have, it’s a 27-17 game with basically a full quarter to go.

 

And we know how the bills offence looked in the 4th.  Which again I’ll say, part of the reason they sucked is cause Josh is a rhythm passer and he was on the sidelines all half

 

 He's not a rhythm passer. Otherwise he would struggle early in games until he found his rhythm, which is not the case. He usually comes out on fire to start games.

 

 

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 He's not a rhythm passer. Otherwise he would struggle early in games until he found his rhythm, which is not the case. He usually comes out on fire to start games.

 

 

I think there’s a big difference between starting games and sitting on the bench for 15 minutes during games waiting for your turn to go back on

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Green bays offence does nothing well buddy lol.

 

Have you seen Aaron Rodgers stats this year and their pass protection/weapons?

 

Running the ball was their only chance to win this game.

 

Which goes back to my original point… make their practice squad WRs beat you consistently and see if their piss poor o line holds up…

 

 

 

 

 

 

What about, “get an insurmountable lead and don’t let them score fast to come back.”

 

 

[unbillievable]

We're talking about a Defensive scheme that allowed 10 points in the 2nd half... right?

 

I'm wondering if this has to do with Someone losing to Aaron Jones in fantasy...

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 31, 2022 by unbillievable

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Green bays offence does nothing well buddy lol.

 

Have you seen Aaron Rodgers stats this year and their pass protection/weapons?

 

Running the ball was their only chance to win this game.

 

Which goes back to my original point… make their practice squad WRs beat you consistently and see if their piss poor o line holds up…

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 But you just said it's what they do the best upthread?? Do they do nothing well or something well, I'm confused by your responses. You also said they hang on to the ball well, which is not true. Entering the game they had a pretty even TOP with their opponents. Much was made of them not using the running game Entering last night, yet you think they do it well. OK....whatever floats your boat.

 

 

[unbillievable]

How many times did the Bills punt in this game?