BRH Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 20 hours ago, BrooklynBills said: I don't think Miami maliciously tried to circumvent the concussion protocol. I do think the they found a loophole in the process which allowed Tua to return to what was a massive game for the Dolphins. And I think the HC isolated himself away from the decision making process by simply "trusting" the doctor. That's all fine and dandy, but McDaniel is trying to have it both ways. You can't isolate yourself from the decision by turning a blind eye to what you saw happen with your own two eyes, and then turn around and blubber that "I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I knowingly put him in danger" (or whatever he said). I kind of think the guy's a phony. Different personality but he's got some Greggo in him. Wants everyone to believe his narrative about himself. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 No no no, it's his back see he's normal now definitely not his brain. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 I can't help but wonder what the Jets defensive players feelings are if Tua is cleared to play. No player would want to be the 3rd guy to knock him out, but you can't give Tua a free ride either. What kind of damage could be done if it happened 3 weeks in a row? If Tua had never sustained any of these injuries, no one would question a Jets player laying the lumber on him. What will the perception be if a Jets player does that next Sunday? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Just now, ColoradoBills said: I can't help but wonder what the Jets defensive players feelings are if Tua is cleared to play. No player would want to be the 3rd guy to knock him out, but you can't give Tua a free ride either. What kind of damage could be done if it happened 3 weeks in a row? If Tua had never sustained any of these injuries, no one would question a Jets player laying the lumber on him. What will the perception be if a Jets player does that next Sunday? With how quick the game is there's no time for them to think about that, kind of like with the Bills after Dane's injury have to just put it aside and keep moving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 26 minutes ago, Warcodered said: No no no, it's his back see he's normal now definitely not his brain. He clutched for his head immediately after he smack d his head off the ground. Must be his back if he says it's his back... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 12 minutes ago, Warcodered said: With how quick the game is there's no time for them to think about that, kind of like with the Bills after Dane's injury have to just put it aside and keep moving. True, but I'm talking about the consequences that Tua may suffer and how that would make a player feel after. I guess I'm saying all players know they can be injured or injure another player. Tua could be greatly escalating those chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 1, 2022 Author Share Posted October 1, 2022 👀 3 1 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: 👀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: 👀 Wow. Now suspend the HC for negligence 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: 👀 Not shocking. Dude was incompetent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: Not shocking. Dude was incompetent. What you mean a guy who hit his head hard on the ground and couldn't stay on his feet after shouldn't have gotten back into the game? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syhuang Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Several mistakes…… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, syhuang said: Several mistakes…… No way! I was told Drs dont make mistakes right here on this very board. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Wow I thought the protocol was vague and the decision to let Tua go back into the game was wrong, but I didn't expect the independent doctor to be incompetent. It feels like this is heading towards a hefty fine and the loss of draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, syhuang said: Several mistakes…… And what about the Dolphins mistakes related to the matter? NFL: 4 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 9 minutes ago, syhuang said: Several mistakes…… While it is evident the Dr made mistakes, I hope this doesn't give a reason to let the Miami organization off the hook. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: While it is evident the Dr made mistakes, I hope this doesn't give a reason to let the Miami organization off the hook. Get ready for it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Wow I thought the protocol was vague and the decision to let Tua go back into the game was wrong, but I didn't expect the independent doctor to be incompetent. It feels like this is heading towards a hefty fine and the loss of draft picks. 6 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: While it is evident the Dr made mistakes, I hope this doesn't give a reason to let the Miami organization off the hook. At the very least the Miami doctor should be fired as well if the UNC made "several mistakes" then you know the Miami doctor likely went along with it. That's clearly negligence (malpractice) on the doctors part. Be interesting to see how far it goes up. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 1 minute ago, NewEra said: Get ready for it It may become foolish for them to do that. I mean, if I was a Dr in other games going forward, I would rule a concussion a whole hell of a lot more if they hang this guy out to dry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 40 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: 👀 Hahaha! The Dolphins found a scapegoat for their obvious disregard for player safety. Somebody keep an eye on this guys bank account. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: Hahaha! The Dolphins found a scapegoat for their obvious disregard for player safety. Somebody keep an eye on this guys bank account. Maybe, but like I just posted above, what will these UNCs do going forward? If the NFL doesn't do anything with Miami this could backfire on them big time. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 I hope that they are more tansparent in their findings. I'd like to know specific mistakes although I already know what one of them is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: Maybe, but like I just posted above, what will these UNCs do going forward? If the NFL doesn't do anything with Miami this could backfire on them big time. That is a great point. I missed your previous comment, but you are right, now they will error on the side of caution and pull more players out of games. I find it really odd that there is no mention of the Miami team doctors, who also had to clear him to let him back on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 8 minutes ago, The Wiz said: At the very least the Miami doctor should be fired as well if the UNC made "several mistakes" then you know the Miami doctor likely went along with it. That's clearly negligence (malpractice) on the doctors part. Be interesting to see how far it goes up. The team medical staff and coach let him out there too. They can play it off as them just going on the one guys opinion but I don't think they're just supposed to not go through their own process because of them. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
co_springs_billsfan Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 1 minute ago, buffaloboyinATL said: That is a great point. I missed your previous comment, but you are right, now they will error on the side of caution and pull more players out of games. I find it really odd that there is no mention of the Miami team doctors, who also had to clear him to let him back on the field. Haven't verified this but I thought they (Miami docs) had the final word Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 (edited) 53 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: 👀 I posted earlier in the thread about this loophole and determining it was orthopedic and not neurologic . I'm sure this is where mistakes were made. From the video @Warcodered posted its quite possible Tua got back to the locker room and had cleared his head enough to pass the tests and he did actually have a back injury. They should have reviewed the video and determined there was no way a back injury makes someone stumble like that. Edited October 1, 2022 by Wayne Cubed 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 1 minute ago, buffaloboyinATL said: That is a great point. I missed your previous comment, but you are right, now they will error on the side of caution and pull more players out of games. I find it really odd that there is no mention of the Miami team doctors, who also had to clear him to let him back on the field. I'm sure it's not over yet. This could become bigger than some of us think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syhuang Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 1 minute ago, buffaloboyinATL said: That is a great point. I missed your previous comment, but you are right, now they will error on the side of caution and pull more players out of games. I find it really odd that there is no mention of the Miami team doctors, who also had to clear him to let him back on the field. NFLPA likely can’t do anything about Miami team doctors now, I guess we’ll have to wait till the final report of the investigation come out. It’s reported both Miami team doctors and the UNC were interviewed on Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WideNine Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 (edited) It's a long season, but the Dolphins leadership definitely took the short view of what to do when facing off against our Bills. There is no way that all-clear decision was made by one outside guy. This has the kind of stink that now is going to overshadow their whole season where if they handled it correctly, could have better set them up for the long haul. Edited October 1, 2022 by WideNine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 57 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: 👀 Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder and Helen Keller saw that one coming. He is going to be lucky if that's all that happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Scott7975 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 7 minutes ago, co_springs_billsfan said: Haven't verified this but I thought they (Miami docs) had the final word They do when its gameday. They dont when a player is actually in protocol. So yes, the teams heady physician had the final say with input from the consultant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Please.....please fired independent neurologist getting thrown under the bus tell us the team pressured you to clear him. For so many reasons most importantly that you and people like you in your position aren't incompetent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 I said this earlier in the thread, but if Tua did in fact have two concussions in a matter of 4 days because of negligence, the NFL was THIS close to Congressional hearings, lawsuits, loss of public confidence, the works. Tua could have had TBI, permanent loss of certain cognitive abilities, or even death. The new protocol is supposed to make 100% sure none of that is even possible. This story isn't over. It's impossible to believe that this independent consultant acted entirely on his own and happened to just make a poor decision in the moment. Just seeing the video of Tua's behavior on the field should have been enough proof. There's a big stink coming out of the Dolphins locker room. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, syhuang said: Now there is 5 separate groups concerned over this incident. The NFL is in a tough spot. They set up these UNCs to appease that committee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 6 minutes ago, syhuang said: Thats awesome but he got some details wrong. Also should spell check. This isn't a laughing matter but I do chuckle when he calls Tua "Ms" several times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 11 minutes ago, Warcodered said: The team medical staff and coach let him out there too. They can play it off as them just going on the one guys opinion but I don't think they're just supposed to not go through their own process because of them. Serious question, and maybe it’s been answered before, but: Did the team Doc or the independent Doc even SEE him stumbling? If they missed seeing it and/or were hiding in the shade and AC somewhere, the system failed, but at least then I can understand it. If they SAW him staggering and still cleared him, their license should be in jeopardy. I’m no doctor, but that was no back injury. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 5 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I said this earlier in the thread, but if Tua did in fact have two concussions in a matter of 4 days because of negligence, the NFL was THIS close to Congressional hearings, lawsuits, loss of public confidence, the works. Tua could have had TBI, permanent loss of certain cognitive abilities, or even death. The new protocol is supposed to make 100% sure none of that is even possible. This story isn't over. It's impossible to believe that this independent consultant acted entirely on his own and happened to just make a poor decision in the moment. Just seeing the video of Tua's behavior on the field should have been enough proof. There's a big stink coming out of the Dolphins locker room. I swear I read earlier in the week that they didnt even review the film of the injury in Buffalo when make the call. That is probably one mistake and a big one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 Just now, Augie said: Serious question, and maybe it’s been answered before, but: Did the team Doc or the independent Doc even SEE him stumbling? If they missed seeing it and/or were hiding in the shade and AC somewhere, the system failed, but at least then I can understand it. If they SAW him staggering and still cleared him, their license should be in jeopardy. I’m no doctor, but that was no back injury. The independent spotter would have seen him stumble and would have relayed it. Now, whether they rewatched the video, I'm not sure. I'm not sure it's part of the protocol. 1 minute ago, Scott7975 said: I swear I read earlier in the week that they didnt even review the film of the injury in Buffalo when make the call. That is probably one mistake and a big one. I'm not sure that's part of the protocol, in determining it was ortopedic or neurologic. It could be the case he got back to the locker room, was able to pass the concusion testing and did in fact have a back injury as well. It may be that the Doctors, per the protocol, aren't asked to look at the film of the stumble? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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