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9 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

I think we’ll hold up fine without Hyde and Jackson. Not saying we don’t need them or that it would be easy, but I think Jaquan is ready to play. That said, missing both Hyde and Poyer along with two rookie CBs might be too much on defense. And I like Hamlin and this staff’s ability to coach up the secondary, but boy that’s a lot of missing experience on the back end. 
 

Edit: Not at all suggesting this means we lose. Just that the defense may give up more and look a lot different. That said, I still have a lot of faith in Josh and the rest of the O to pick up the D. 

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1 hour ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

I don't know why I enjoy reading the Finheaven forum so much, but stuff like this is making for an amusing Friday morning.  Just when I thought I had seen the most delusional post, another one comes along.  This guy thinks the dolphins have a more talented 53 than the Bills and that their D line and defense is just as good.  You can't make this stuff up!

 

PhinFan1968 said:

100% going to depend on the OL. If we can stimy, or at least mitigate that beast ass D line they have, we're in business. Especially on 3rd down.

 

TannDaMan17 said:

It’s not that great. Our dline and defense in general is just as good as theirs. We just need Tua to keep playing like he did in the second half last week and we will win. Obviously their defense is better than Baltimores, but they got injuries and don’t have as much talent on the 53 as we do, contingent on the performance of Tua Tagovailoa. I believe.


I don’t think those are wild takes. 
 

With a beat up secondary, we’ll need a big showing from our DL to help give our DB’s some slack against a good WR pair. 
 

The not as much talent on the 53 seems absurd. But he is right saying that whatever their talent level is is contingent on Tua keeping up pace from last weeks Q4.

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13 minutes ago, BananaB said:


Is Elam that much worse then Jackson? Losing Hyde sucks but we have been without him and Poyer at times before

You confident Elam can match up with either of Miami's receivers? I'm not. He's a rookie, unproven, and matching up against an elite WR. That doesn't instill confidence. Everyone is banking on a creepy Tua and a Bills pass rush. We will see how it plays out. All I know is the Dolphins have a glaring Bills hole to try to expose. Hyde out certainly makes a huge difference too. The safety net is 50% gone. 

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Presuming Gabe is healthy and our offense is essentially intact, I keep coming back to the same thought:

I just don't see how the Dolphins are going to stop Josh Allen or score enough points to keep up with the Bills offense.

Will they put up points against our defense, given the incredibly banged up secondary? Probably, yes. But I watched Lamar Jackson cut through the Dolphins defense like a hot knife through butter last Sunday. The Ravens were a goal line fumble away from scoring 42 points. 

Even WITH our defensive injuries, I can't see the Dolphins scoring more points than the Bills. I firmly believe that our defense will limit their offense more effectively than their defense will limit our offense.

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18 minutes ago, Virgil said:

This is going to be rough.  Hyde missing time is really going to make the loss of Dane that much worse.  Jordan has been the spirit of this defensive line.

 

I don't like where this is going.  We need Oliver back at a min and Elam better be ready

I've been echoing similar posts. Most here Don't want to hear it. I know you are a long time respected member. Maybe your concerns will have a bigger impact than mine. 

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45 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I do think the Bills want to run the ball effectively to set up the pass and keep the defense honest. In two games, Dorsey seems more committed to the run than Dabol. However, in the end it's Allen who makes this team go. 

 

Again, the Bills offense will be the Bills offense. They aren't going to change up based on we have injuries on the defensive side of the ball. 

 

Do you think if we were playing the Chiefs that they would run the ball more to keep it away from our offense if they had players out on defense?

 

Of course not. To think so is silly.

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1 minute ago, newcam2012 said:

I've been echoing similar posts. Most here Don't want to hear it. I know you are a long time respected member. Maybe your concerns will have a bigger impact than mine. 

 

Is it not okay to not be as concerned?  Some of us have faith in our front 4.  NE pressured Tua and sacked him 3 times....we can't do that?

Tua doesn't get the ball out quickly consistently...he's middle of the pack.  Allen gets the ball out quicker.

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26 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I know that the Bills pass scheme is very good. However, isn't anyone concerned about rookies Elam and Bedford matched up on Hill and Waddle? Any legit unbiased football fan can see that's a huge mismatch. 

Bills secondary is in huge trouble. Hyde and Jackson out is terrible. Not sure the Bills can stop their offense. More specifically Hill and Waddle. Hill has a "Bill beater." This game will need to be won by Allen and the offense. 


In other years I’d worry about it more. But I have more trust in this Bills offense to win a shoot out than I do any other Bills team in the last 30+ years. 
 

Also the DL is no joke. Before last weeks 28 point 4th quarter the Miami offense scored 28 points total in the previous 7 quarters. If the DL can get home that should cover up some deficiencies on the back end. 

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2 minutes ago, Beast said:

 

Again, the Bills offense will be the Bills offense. They aren't going to change up based on we have injuries on the defensive side of the ball. 

 

Do you think if we were playing the Chiefs that they would run the ball more to keep it away from our offense if they had players out on defense?

 

Of course not. To think so is silly.

 

We threw the ball 22 straight times against the Titans.  

 

We are 19th in the league in rushing attempts with us beating both teams by 3+ scores.  

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45 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

To a degree it is.  There are some that would say anytime you are taking the ball out of Allen's hands it is a win for the defense.

 

Throwing downfield requires time...I don't think he would have it and they would quickly realize it.

 

They already scheme it that way. Tua seems to deliver to the first read a high preponderance of the time, and will throw into tighter windows and doesn't have juice to drive the ball past defenders. You can be a one-read guy with a live arm or a "precision" passer making good decisions, but one-read guys without that fastball, defenses love love love to see it. If McD/Frazier can find a key on where the ball is going based on alignment/personnel, those become turnover opportunities.

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29 minutes ago, Mango said:


I don’t think those are wild takes. 
 

With a beat up secondary, we’ll need a big showing from our DL to help give our DB’s some slack against a good WR pair. 
 

The not as much talent on the 53 seems absurd. But he is right saying that whatever their talent level is is contingent on Tua keeping up pace from last weeks Q4.

It’s matchups though not comparing overall how good a defense is.  They like to play cover 0 man which has disastrous results against us.  Our defense will be much better against their offense than their defense is against ours.  Doesn’t matter that they’ve got good guys on paper it’s still a terrible schematic matchup for them 

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I think losing some guys is going to hurt in some fundamentals and possibly a few big plays we normally wouldn’t see. But it’s a zone defense, let’s stop pretending like Elam has to man up Hill for 4 quarters. Jaquan has been here in the film room with Hyde and Poyer for years now. He knows his job. 
Maybe they don’t dominate as they have the last two games, but the injuries should not be the difference in winning and losing imo. 
 

 

On a side note, maybe this is the week to run the ball, kill large chunks of clock and keep the defense off the field a little more. I highly doubt Miami is spending much time focusing on the run game for Buffalo. 

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3 hours ago, AmishRifle said:

Does anybody think that we’ll purposely eat more clock with the offense this week given the rash of injuries to our secondary?  McDermott always talks about complementary football.  If you’re really worried about the Dolphins offense or our defenses ability to stop them, then just keep them off the field.

 

I don't think McDermott and the O purposely do that.  What they do is attack what the D gives them.

 

There is a chance that the Dolphin's D play a deeper shell which opens up the shorter stuff to start the game.

That could cause some higher play count drives which could eat up more clock per drive.

 

Then again, they could go man to man in which case it's all up in the air.

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1 minute ago, Rc2catch said:

I think losing some guys is going to hurt in some fundamentals and possibly a few big plays we normally wouldn’t see. But it’s a zone defense, let’s stop pretending like Elam has to man up Hill for 4 quarters. Jaquan has been here in the film room with Hyde and Poyer for years now. He knows his job. 
Maybe they don’t dominate as they have the last two games, but the injuries should not be the difference in winning and losing imo. 
 

 

On a side note, maybe this is the week to run the ball, kill large chunks of clock and keep the defense off the field a little more. I highly doubt Miami is spending much time focusing on the run game for Buffalo. 

Our defense is banged up, so let's take the ball from Allen and put it in the hands of the worst group of RBs in the league?

 

Letting Allen put up 40+ on the sounds like a better plan.

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After two games, the Dolphins' defense has been a sieve. There is absolutely no reason to think the Bills will not score at least 40.

 

Could Miami's D suddenly find their stride? Sure, it's possible. Could Josh slip on a mat on the way out of the tunnel and not play? This too is possible. But, if you play the odds, neither is likely to happen, however remotely possible they are.

 

If your measuring stick is based on completely shutting down Hill, Waddle and Geisicki for a full 60 minutes, then in fact, you are correct. The Bills will fail. On the other hand, if the measuring stick is simply to win the game, I do not find any likely scenario where this does not end positively.

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3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I don't think McDermott and the O purposely do that.  What they do is attack what the D gives them.

 

There is a chance that the Dolphin's D play a deeper shell which opens up the shorter stuff to start the game.

That could cause some higher play count drives which could eat up more clock per drive.

 

Then again, they could go man to man in which case it's all up in the air.

If Howard plays man on Diggs, he'll be in for a long day since he's nursing a groin injury. And the last time they put Needham on McKenzie, he torched him all game long. I also believe this particular D line of the phins will be the easier one compared to the last 2 we faced

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3 minutes ago, Process said:

Our defense is banged up, so let's take the ball from Allen and put it in the hands of the worst group of RBs in the league?

 

Letting Allen put up 40+ on the sounds like a better plan.

Running the ball and having a better time of possession doesn’t mean Allen doesn’t throw or the team can’t score 40. 
And I don’t think it’s correct to call them the worst group in the league. 

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