A Picture is Worth a Thousand Words

[SectionC3]

And, maybe, some time in the can.  I'd love to hear the explanation for this one, MAGA.  It's before 9a eastern, so you have plenty of time today to think of a nice hoax or some creative fake news to try to explain this away.  Enjoy!

 

https://apnews.com/article/mar-a-lago-government-and-politics-1fef158c3a66bfc0ba6224570753ba47

[716er]

[Beach]

12 minutes ago, 716er said:

i like that you actually posted a picture

[716er]

1 minute ago, Beach said:

i like that you actually posted a picture

Yes, you are very simple.

[Beach]

Just now, 716er said:

Yes, you are very simple.

i compliment you and in return you insult me?

[716er]

Just now, Beach said:

i compliment you and in return you insult me?

If that’s in insult you must have been pissing your pants at the insurrection rally.

[TSOL]

The DOJ suspects you have a point with this thread, but no evidence can be found because Trump moved your point offshore right before you made it, although he will possibly be subpoenaed once they uncover the super secret hidden boxes. 

[nedboy7]

Trump made a mess. 

[snafu]

Actually, what is the purpose of that photo?

Trump had the documents all strewn around on the floor?

 

[dpberr]

Can presidents declassify matters directly?  Yes, because it is ultimately their constitutional authority.  

 

Facts don't need to matter to the FBI or media, but when Trump skates for the 100th time, facts will be why he does.

[B-Man]

 

 

A thread with a false title is worth little...........but it does expose the OP

 

 

As reported, the DOJ dropped a filing on Tuesday evening in an attempt to deny the appointment of a special master regarding the documents seized during the now infamous Trump raid. In that filing was a photograph that set leftwing hearts a flutter, purporting to show “top secret” documents scattered on the floor of a Mar-a-Lago storage room.

 

In reality, the documents were found in boxes per the DOJ’s own documentation.

 

 

 

The DOJ knew what it was doing putting that photo out, though. They wanted to gin up more “the walls are closing in” outrage from the left, and sure enough, they got it. Social media was swamped with hysterical declarations that charges were incoming. That picture was “criminal evidence,” they screeched while racking up the likes and shares along the way.

 

But while The New York Times broke the story (because it’s a DOJ pipeline for leaks), apparently many didn’t bother to read the details.

 

There’s a rather inconvenient line not being talked about.

 

 

"Time in the can"  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . what a buffoon Section 8 is.

 

 

 

 

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/08/31/report-on-possible-trump-charges-leaves-the-resistance-reeling-n620617

 

 

[Tiberius]

1 hour ago, snafu said:

Actually, what is the purpose of that photo?

Trump had the documents all strewn around on the floor?

 

Top secret documents that are in no way secure. Putin loves that! 

[Irv]

7 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

And, maybe, some time in the can.  I'd love to hear the explanation for this one, MAGA.  It's before 9a eastern, so you have plenty of time today to think of a nice hoax or some creative fake news to try to explain this away.  Enjoy!

 

https://apnews.com/article/mar-a-lago-government-and-politics-1fef158c3a66bfc0ba6224570753ba47

 

AP news.  "All Phony".  What a mess.  

[nedboy7]

1 hour ago, dpberr said:

Can presidents declassify matters directly?  Yes, because it is ultimately their constitutional authority.  

 

Facts don't need to matter to the FBI or media, but when Trump skates for the 100th time, facts will be why he does.

 

But since the FBI searched former president Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate for documents —some classified—that were allegedly held illegally, Trump’s allies have added a new comic-book twist to this theory. They’re arguing that a president can declassify a document just by thinking about it. In this telling, any documents Trump brought home had been declassified just because he took them—and were therefore already in the public domain.
 

Indeed, the wish-based method of declassification is wishful thinking. New York Times reporter Charlie Savage’s tour of the topic quotes one expert as calling it a “logical mess” to ask whether a president can declassify information without telling anyone. Classification affects how the government handles documents. Unless agencies know a document’s classification, they can’t change how they handle it.
 

Other versions of the argument are not necessarily better. In one telling, during his presidency Trump issued a “standing order” that any document brought from the Oval Office to the White House residence was immediately deemed declassified. But Trump’s former national security adviser John Bolton called this “a complete fiction.” And again, how would agencies be notified?

[Nineforty]

56 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

A thread with a false title is worth little...........but it does expose the OP

 

 

As reported, the DOJ dropped a filing on Tuesday evening in an attempt to deny the appointment of a special master regarding the documents seized during the now infamous Trump raid. In that filing was a photograph that set leftwing hearts a flutter, purporting to show “top secret” documents scattered on the floor of a Mar-a-Lago storage room.

 

In reality, the documents were found in boxes per the DOJ’s own documentation.

 

 

 

The DOJ knew what it was doing putting that photo out, though. They wanted to gin up more “the walls are closing in” outrage from the left, and sure enough, they got it. Social media was swamped with hysterical declarations that charges were incoming. That picture was “criminal evidence,” they screeched while racking up the likes and shares along the way.

 

But while The New York Times broke the story (because it’s a DOJ pipeline for leaks), apparently many didn’t bother to read the details.

 

There’s a rather inconvenient line not being talked about.

 

 

"Time in the can"  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . what a buffoon Section 8 is.

 

 

 

 

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/08/31/report-on-possible-trump-charges-leaves-the-resistance-reeling-n620617

 

 

you are a ***** idiot.

 

it's called an inventory that the FBI agents are required to record. and yes, the DOJ did include it in a COURT filing, to show what the traitor sat on, after lying and saying he gave it all back. and why were they allowed to show this photo to the public?

 

Because of Trump's own bull#### filing. He has himself to blame for the evidence now being in the public sphere.

[Chef Jim]

Quick question.  What do you all think are the chances that a high percentage of former Presidents have walked away with copies of classified documents? 
 

Personally I think it’s likely pretty high.  🤷🏻‍♂️

[Nineforty]

 

 

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Quick question.  What do you all think are the chances that a high percentage of former Presidents have walked away with copies of classified documents? 
 

Personally I think it’s likely pretty high.  🤷🏻‍♂️

 

gtfoh. go home. 

Edited August 31, 2022 by Nineforty

[Nineforty]

 

[SectionC3]

2 hours ago, snafu said:

Actually, what is the purpose of that photo?

Trump had the documents all strewn around on the floor?

 

Point made. 

15 minutes ago, Nineforty said:

 

I disagree with this only to the extent that if plea negotiations involved prison, then I’d consider trying to string it out as long as possible given the age and poor health of this client on the theory that he might die before trial. Otherwise, yes, in a situation where we aren’t dealing with a corpulent, elderly, exercise-averse, serial consumer of Big Macs, anyone with even part of a brain would be angling for a plea. 

[Chef Jim]

16 minutes ago, Nineforty said:

gtfoh. go home. 

Good answer.  🙄
 

So you disagree. That’s fine.  But I think you’re pretty naive to think Trump is the first and only one to have done so.  

[SectionC3]

24 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Quick question.  What do you all think are the chances that a high percentage of former Presidents have walked away with copies of classified documents? 
 

Personally I think it’s likely pretty high.  🤷🏻‍♂️

This is utterly immaterial.  The kind of defense somebody (unsuccessfully) asserts against a speeding charge.  If Trump had this stuff (seems pretty clear), and if it was illegal for Trump to have this stuff (seems to be the consensus among those who do this kind of stuff), then Trump has an answer that must be given irrespective of whether Carter, Clinton, Bush, and Obama should have to answer the same question. 

48 minutes ago, Irv said:

 

AP news.  "All Phony".  What a mess.  

Hoax.  Despite your apparent expertise in phoniness, you’re wrong about this one. 

1 hour ago, dpberr said:

Can presidents declassify matters directly?  Yes, because it is ultimately their constitutional authority.  

 

Facts don't need to matter to the FBI or media, but when Trump skates for the 100th time, facts will be why he does.

The better question is whether there are “matters” that a president cannot alone declassify.  The next question, of course, is whether Trump had such “matters” strewn about his floor in the photo that was released today. 

[Nineforty]

6 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Good answer.  🙄
 

So you disagree. That’s fine.  But I think you’re pretty naive to think Trump is the first and only one to have done so.  

 

so we have Chef Jim who says its all good cuz probability says other former presidents have probably broken the law. no need to investigate this, pack it up! they all do it! its all good!

 

gtfoh. 

 

This is unprecedented. You trying to claim it isn't with some vague opinion holds no water. so yeah, you don't deserve even this response it is so idiotic. 

 

 

[SectionC3]

1 minute ago, Nineforty said:

 

so we have Chef Jim who says its all good cuz probability says other former presidents have probably broken the law. no need to investigate this, pack it up! they all do it! its all good!

 

gtfoh. 

 

This is unprecedented. You trying to claim it isn't with some vague opinion holds no water. so yeah, you don't deserve even this response it is so idiotic. 

 

 

It is pretty dumb, no doubt about it.  “But judge, even though I got caught for speeding, I shouldn’t be punished because everyone else speeds!”  Or “even though I shot and killed that guy, other people have shot and killed someone but haven’t been caught and punished, so I shouldn’t be punished, either!”  It’s so ridiculous I can’t believe that I wasted the energy and electricity to type this. 

[Irv]

When will the constant nonsense end?   The man hasn't been President for over a year-and-a-half and you're still soiling yourself over him.  Get a life.  

 

 

Edited August 31, 2022 by Irv

[Chef Jim]

3 minutes ago, Nineforty said:

 

so we have Chef Jim who says its all good cuz probability says other former presidents have probably broken the law. no need to investigate this, pack it up! they all do it! its all good!

 

gtfoh. 

 

This is unprecedented. You trying to claim it isn't with some vague opinion holds no water. so yeah, you don't deserve even this response it is so idiotic. 

 

 

 

You guys love to make ***** up.  Please point out where I said this was "all good" and there is no reason to investigate Trump.  I'll wait.  

 

So not sure which is more idiotic.  Me bringing up the topic for conversation or your adamancy that it's never happened before.  

7 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

It is pretty dumb, no doubt about it.  “But judge, even though I got caught for speeding, I shouldn’t be punished because everyone else speeds!”  Or “even though I shot and killed that guy, other people have shot and killed someone but haven’t been caught and punished, so I shouldn’t be punished, either!”  It’s so ridiculous I can’t believe that I wasted the energy and electricity to type this. 

 

Again making things up?  I never said such a thing.  Point out where I said Trump should not be punished.  It's safe to say you won't be wasting any energy and electricity on that.  

 

Again counselor.  You're sucking it big time. 

[SectionC3]

11 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

You guys love to make ***** up.  Please point out where I said this was "all good" and there is no reason to investigate Trump.  I'll wait.  

 

So not sure which is more idiotic.  Me bringing up the topic for conversation or your adamancy that it's never happened before.  

 

Again making things up?  I never said such a thing.  Point out where I said Trump should not be punished.  It's safe to say you won't be wasting any energy and electricity on that.  

 

Again counselor.  You're sucking it big time. 

Hoax.  You brought it up.  Maybe you want to investigate everyone.  In fact, maybe you should be investigated, too, just to make sure that all stones are turned.  Whatever.  I suggest you call your pals in QAnon, get working on that investigation of every living president except for Trump, and let us know where it goes. 

[Nineforty]

17 minutes ago, Irv said:

When will the constant nonsense end?   The man hasn't been President for over a year-and-a-half and you're still soiling yourself over him.  Get a life.  

 

 

when even a sliver of justice is delivered for his crimes and treachery. thats when the republic can rest, even if just for a small moment. 

18 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

You guys love to make ***** up.  Please point out where I said this was "all good" and there is no reason to investigate Trump.  I'll wait.  

 

So not sure which is more idiotic.  Me bringing up the topic for conversation or your adamancy that it's never happened before.  

 

Again making things up?  I never said such a thing.  Point out where I said Trump should not be punished.  It's safe to say you won't be wasting any energy and electricity on that.  

 

Again counselor.  You're sucking it big time. 

my apologies.

 

so you are on the record that if Donald Trump broke 793e (part of the espionage act) and obstructed the investigation, that he should be prosecuted for these crimes? 

 

are you on the record that stealing property of the US Gov't (and some of its biggest secrets), should land this person in prison?

[Orlando Tim]

This picture is like a rohrschach test, it is so messy because the FBI made it look like that, Trump clearly at some point had the legal right to all of the information present, unless somehow he got it after leaving the white house. It is also not proof that the FBI is harassing him because it is what they have to do with all evidence during a raid. All it proves is what we already knew.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

39 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

You guys love to make ***** up.  Please point out where I said this was "all good" and there is no reason to investigate Trump.  I'll wait.  

 

So not sure which is more idiotic.  Me bringing up the topic for conversation or your adamancy that it's never happened before.  

 

Again making things up?  I never said such a thing.  Point out where I said Trump should not be punished.  It's safe to say you won't be wasting any energy and electricity on that.  

 

Again counselor.  You're sucking it big time. 

This has been an awesome read. S3 bloviating about whether or not something is material to a voter.  940 howling at the moon and letting the vulgarities fly like a truck driver at rush hour.  
 

I’ll answer the question posed, Chef. 
 

The number of presidents who left office and took confidential/top secret information with them is likely 100% of the presidents who left office.  The number of high-ranking officials who handled classified and top secret intel inappropriately is likely quite high as well, up to and including maintaining documents at their private residence(s).   
 

 

[Chef Jim]

36 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Hoax.  You brought it up.  Maybe you want to investigate everyone.  In fact, maybe you should be investigated, too, just to make sure that all stones are turned.  Whatever.  I suggest you call your pals in QAnon, get working on that investigation of every living president except for Trump, and let us know where it goes. 

 

So you don't think that after all the investigations and impeachment proceedings against Trump that this may just also be a little politically motivated?  

 

Not good to be naive counselor. 

 

 

35 minutes ago, Nineforty said:

when even a sliver of justice is delivered for his crimes and treachery. thats when the republic can rest, even if just for a small moment. 

my apologies.

 

so you are on the record that if Donald Trump broke 793e (part of the espionage act) and obstructed the investigation, that he should be prosecuted for these crimes? 

 

are you on the record that stealing property of the US Gov't (and some of its biggest secrets), should land this person in prison?

 

Sure.  But why have they only gone after him?  Simple. They don't like him and they don't want him pulling their curtain back ever again.  If the past four and a half years hasn't opened your eyes to the inner workings of the Federal Gov't (aka that Club You and I Will Never Get In) I can't help you. 

 

You and S3 are sadly naive.  

[snafu]

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

Point made. 

 

Sure. Trump had documents.

But that photo provides zero context, except that the FBI and Justice Department shouldn't handle their investigation so cavalierly by releasing photos of their investigation.  Not a good look for them -- especially since they fought to release the warrant affidavit and are fighting to have a Special Master review what was seized.  Trump just might have done something wrong, but DOJ and FBI shouldn't be inconsistent.  It hurts their case, if they have one.

 

 

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Top secret documents that are in no way secure. Putin loves that! 

 

I bet he hired prostitutes to pee on them.

See, I can speculate, too!

 

 

Edited August 31, 2022 by snafu

[Nineforty]

17 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

So you don't think that after all the investigations and impeachment proceedings against Trump that this may just also be a little politically motivated?  

 

Not good to be naive counselor. 

 

 

 

Sure.  But why have they only gone after him?  Simple. They don't like him and they don't want him pulling their curtain back ever again.  If the past four and a half years hasn't opened your eyes to the inner workings of the Federal Gov't (aka that Club You and I Will Never Get In) I can't help you. 

 

You and S3 are sadly naive.  

Lost cause #789,765,664

[Nineforty]

7 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

Sure. Trump had documents.

But that photo provides zero context, except that the FBI and Justice Department shouldn't handle their investigation so cavalierly by releasing photos of their investigation.  Not a good look for them -- especially since they fought to release the warrant affidavit and are fighting to have a Special Master review what was seized.  Trump just might have done something wrong, but DOJ and FBI shouldn't be inconsistent.  It hurts their case, if they have one.

 

 

 

I bet he hired prostitutes to pee on them.

See, I can speculate, too!

 

 

Dude.

 

•Its standard practice for FBI agents to catalog and inventory when conducting a search warrant, including photographs.

 

For obvious reasons, and not so obvious ones.

 

•the only reason they "released" that photo (it was in a Federal Court filing you dimwit) was because the former President filed a bull#### motion, allowing the DOJ to provide more evidence of the criming and obstruction. If Trump doesn't file a motion destined to fail, we dont have that photo and all that it portends. 

 

There is only one side here slinging poo, and it ain't the DOJ. 

 

If you lived outside of the right-wing media echo chamber, maybe you would understand that that photo provides some new information and confirms a lot of the reporting to-date. 

[dpberr]

1 hour ago, SectionC3 said:

 

The better question is whether there are “matters” that a president cannot alone declassify.  The next question, of course, is whether Trump had such “matters” strewn about his floor in the photo that was released today. 

The Presidential power to both classify and declassify is quite expansive.  If President Biden wants to declassify every document related to the JFK assassination for example, he can do so without asking anyone for permission. He can ask for the CIA's advice on the matter, but ultimately, it's his call.  

 

There is no material way a President of the United States can "steal" or abscond with classified documents.  There is no higher authority.  That's why I don't think there's anything here.  

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

30 minutes ago, Nineforty said:

Dude.

 

•Its standard practice for FBI agents to catalog and inventory when conducting a search warrant, including photographs.

 

For obvious reasons, and not so obvious ones.

 

•the only reason they "released" that photo (it was in a Federal Court filing you dimwit) was because the former President filed a bull#### motion, allowing the DOJ to provide more evidence of the criming and obstruction. If Trump doesn't file a motion destined to fail, we dont have that photo and all that it portends. 

 

There is only one side here slinging poo, and it ain't the DOJ. 

 

If you lived outside of the right-wing media echo chamber, maybe you would understand that that photo provides some new information and confirms a lot of the reporting to-date. 

40 with this gem….”…the former President filed a bull### motion…”, that is, he availed himself of his rights under our system of justice.  That’s not bull####, son. 
 

Next up from 40…”He didn’t turn surveillance off….obstruction” and concurrently “Why doesn’t he just submit if he has nothing to hide???”. 

 

🤦🏼‍♂️
 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

2 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

Good answer.  🙄
 

So you disagree. That’s fine.  But I think you’re pretty naive to think Trump is the first and only one to have done so.  

Comey admitted that he sent classified government documents to an acquaintance at the NY Times who then published the information in the paper.  He acted with clear intent to disclose and by any standard being applied in conversations here for supporting an argument for Trump's guilt, he should be serving time for exposing "secrets". 

 

Hillary had unapproved servers at her home that got hacked by Russian and Chinese operatives, and most like Mossad too and perhaps other State actors.  When busted and subpoenaed she ignored legal requirements to preserve evidence and destroyed and erased files and e-mails and obstructed the investigation.  She denied the FBI access to the servers.  Why didn't they raid her as she was uncooperative?  She should be serving time for exposing "secrets".

 

Both got a pass for far worse given we have proof they exposed secrets.  To this point we know Trump had documents but there is no proof Trump exposed anything.  It's all conjecture.  Unless anyone has some inside information or firsthand knowledge, which I doubt.  

 

Edited August 31, 2022 by All_Pro_Bills

[T master]

10 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

And, maybe, some time in the can.  I'd love to hear the explanation for this one, MAGA.  It's before 9a eastern, so you have plenty of time today to think of a nice hoax or some creative fake news to try to explain this away.  Enjoy!

 

https://apnews.com/article/mar-a-lago-government-and-politics-1fef158c3a66bfc0ba6224570753ba47

 

I have a question where does this rank with deleting 100's it not thousands of emails from a gov't server I think this should be handled about the same as it was with Hillary . 

 

What say you oh well that's a dum question sorry that was all a hoax just to make Hillary look bad never mind ...

[Albwan]

It's finally happened again for the 1000th time.... because ap and some lefty monkey half wits say so.

Sorry all you morons are mentally disturbed liars.

[billsfan_34]

3 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

Quick question.  What do you all think are the chances that a high percentage of former Presidents have walked away with copies of classified documents? 
 

Personally I think it’s likely pretty high.  🤷🏻‍♂️

Yeah, there is now way former President’s have classified documents. People must get a grip on reality. Im almost certain they all do. There are things that happen at the very top, captured in that moment in time, that no one else needs to see. That is why “they” are elected President’s with privileges that last a lifetime. Sorry, but that is just how it is. Should the DOJ/FBI go after Obama, Busch, Clinton, Carter et al? Heck, they left HRC alone after she destroyed servers and hard drives. Lets all take a step back for a moment, take the man/emotion out of the equation. 

Edited August 31, 2022 by billsfan_34

[nedboy7]

2 hours ago, Irv said:

When will the constant nonsense end?   The man hasn't been President for over a year-and-a-half and you're still soiling yourself over him.  Get a life.  

 

 

I think the issue is T is the fascist right’s presidential candidate. Not for long. Dude made a mess. 

26 minutes ago, Albwan said:

It's finally happened again for the 1000th time.... because ap and some lefty monkey half wits say so.

Sorry all you morons are mentally disturbed liars.

dont forget communist socialist fascists! 

3 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

Quick question.  What do you all think are the chances that a high percentage of former Presidents have walked away with copies of classified documents? 
 

Personally I think it’s likely pretty high.  🤷🏻‍♂️

I think that will hold up in court.