Donald Trump is under criminal investigation by the Department of Justice

[Boatdrinks]

2 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said:

 

Maybe don't storm the Capital if you don't like jail.

Not bad advice, but the fact is you could do far worse and be right back on the street in hours. All due to moronic liberal policies in place across the USA. Literally happens every day. The handling of these cases and their sentencing is outrageous and politically motivated, while Dems smooch the posterior of actual common criminals daily. 

9 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Yeah that's all they did right?  Always a good look when you side with scum that wiped their own (or maybe other peoples) crap on walls. 

 

Zero proof of widespread fraud still.  Because morons believe the biggest liar of them all, the man who became king of the swamp.  

For the vast majority of them, yes. While I don’t support what you’re describing, common criminals get far more lenient treatment for worse offenses daily. This is obvious if you’re paying attention. The biggest liars of all are the Democrat party. 

[ChiGoose]

28 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

No, actually they are not. The average criminal is treated much better, even put back on the streets just hours after being charged with crimes far more serious than trespassing. That is the result of liberal “ justice reform”. Formerly known as being soft on crime or coddling criminals. The Colbert crew was quickly set free after trespassing. Not surprisingly , you haven’t been paying attention. 

 

Just in case anybody is wondering, this is almost entirely false, and the Jan 6 rioters are being treated about the same as most criminals.

 

Hundreds of Jan 6th defendants were released while awaiting trial and Dem Senators opposed any defendants being placed into solitary confinement.

 

As of September of 2021, only 40 of the 600 people arrested remained in jail awaiting trial

 

As of March 2022, only about 10% of the 775 people arrested for Jan 6 remain in pretrial detention

 

Of the ~850 people arrested, 325 have already plead guilty.

 

Delays in Jan 6 prosecutions due to volume of evidence, numbers of defendants, and fallout from COIVD

 

Far from the "DC Gulag" of political prisoners, what we have here is 90% of the Jan 6 rioters being released pre-trial while only 10% remain in detention. The delays in trials are from the obvious fallout from arresting so many people in such a short period of time, in conjunction with the already existing problems with our court system.

[Boatdrinks]

Total BS. So less than half have plead  guilty, about 40 too many remain jailed  and Dems showed their compassion by opposing “ solitary confinement “ which in truth doesn’t even exist in 99% of jails. They’re not being treated the same: not even close but continue throwing goose poop at the wall. Maybe some will stick. 

[ChiGoose]

1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said:

Total BS. So less than half have plead  guilty, about 40 too many remain jailed  and Dems showed their compassion by opposing “ solitary confinement “ which in truth doesn’t even exist in 99% of jails. They’re not being treated the same: not even close but continue throwing goose poop at the wall. Maybe some will stick. 

 

I quoted multiple sources that show that only 10% of the Jan 6th defendants remain in pre-trial detention. Do you have evidence to the contrary?

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, ChiGoose said:

 

I quoted multiple sources that show that only 10% of the Jan 6th defendants remain in pre-trial detention. Do you have evidence to the contrary?

It’s 10% too many. 

[ChiGoose]

3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

It’s 10% too many. 

 

In 2019, the pretrial release rate was 42%

 

Turns out you're right. They aren't treated like average defendants. They're being treated much better, with 90% being given pre-trial release instead of just 42%.

[Gene Frenkle]

59 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

No argument.  But so was Joke.  

 

Joke will be out of your hair before you know it. Not so much the other corrupt guy.

1 hour ago, Boatdrinks said:

Not bad advice, but the fact is you could do far worse and be right back on the street in hours. All due to moronic liberal policies in place across the USA. Literally happens every day. The handling of these cases and their sentencing is outrageous and politically motivated, while Dems smooch the posterior of actual common criminals daily. 

 

I disagree. Aggressively storming the Capital with the intent of interfering with the certification is pretty ***** serious.

[Gene Frenkle]

39 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

It’s 10% too many. 

 

They made their choices.

 

Tell it to the black guy in jail for 20 years because he sold a bag of weed to an undercover cop.

 

I love how ya'll are all about the plight of the poor prisoners now. Law and order, amirite?

[L Ron Burgundy]

48 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

It’s 10% too many. 

So no proof just what you feel and heard.   Gotcha. 

15 minutes ago, Gene Frenkle said:

 

Joke will be out of your hair before you know it. Not so much the other corrupt guy.

 

I disagree. Aggressively storming the Capital with the intent of interfering with the certification is pretty ***** serious.

Exactly.   A better argument can be made for sedition than a slap on the wrist. 

[Boatdrinks]

18 hours ago, Gene Frenkle said:

 

They made their choices.

 

Tell it to the black guy in jail for 20 years because he sold a bag of weed to an undercover cop.

 

I love how ya'll are all about the plight of the poor prisoners now. Law and order, amirite?

Another BS example that never happens … you forgot to add it was after his 43rd arrest. Your record has a little something to do with it. Y’all need to take your dunce cap off once in awhile. 

[BillStime]

 

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

2 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Another BS example that never happens … you forgot to add it was after his 43rd arrest. Your record has a little something to do with it. Y’all need to take your dunce cap off once in awhile. 

True. Nobody is doing decades in prison for "selling a bag of weed." Just doesn't happen.

Even most (all?) of the crack-era war on drugs people sentenced to major time were involved in significant trafficking.

I'm not going to belittle the consequences of a drug-related conviction on a lot of people - can't qualify for student loans, barred from a lot of jobs, etc, often for the classic "youthful offense." But 20 years in jail for selling a small amount of weed?. No. That's a myth.

[Doc]

On 7/29/2022 at 3:04 PM, Gene Frenkle said:

Joke will be out of your hair before you know it. Not so much the other corrupt guy.

He never should’ve been in my hair in the first place…

[L Ron Burgundy]

8 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Another BS example that never happens … you forgot to add it was after his 43rd arrest. Your record has a little something to do with it. Y’all need to take your dunce cap off once in awhile. 

Dunce cap?  You believe in widespread election fraud with zero proof because an orange imbecile who lied to you a thousand times told you so?  Who still believes it despite the orange shiite's own people telling him it's all fake?

 

If you'd self evaluate for just a moment you might realize ya look silly.  

[Albwan]

On 7/29/2022 at 1:57 PM, L Ron Burgundy said:

Yeah that's all they did right?  Always a good look when you side with scum that wiped their own (or maybe other peoples) crap on walls. 

 

Zero proof of widespread fraud still.  Because morons believe the biggest liar of them all, the man who became king of the swamp.  

So you losers hatred of a guy you didn't like gave us a guy who obliterated the country?

%$#@ you.

[L Ron Burgundy]

16 minutes ago, Albwan said:

So you losers hatred of a guy you didn't like gave us a guy who obliterated the country?

%$#@ you.

You've never added anything to any conversation.  I suspect you're just plain dumb.  I'd love to hear in your words what, and how, Biden has destroyed. 

 

What this has to do with insurrectionist scum (probably some of your qanon buddies) I don't know.

 

[Boatdrinks]

6 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

Dunce cap?  You believe in widespread election fraud with zero proof because an orange imbecile who lied to you a thousand times told you so?  Who still believes it despite the orange shiite's own people telling him it's all fake?

 

If you'd self evaluate for just a moment you might realize ya look silly.  

We know that unverifiable unrequested paper ballots were sent out. The Governors told us they were doing it! Since Biden only “ won” by a few thousand votes in the key swing states ( our electoral system is such that a few extra million votes in deep blue states like NY and CA don’t make a difference) it’s not hard to figure out what happened. Add in that Dem leaders fought all attempts to electronically verify signatures on ballots ( they even opposed a threshold of just 40% that a signature was valid ) prior to the election. It’s pretty obvious that fraudulent ballots were counted in these key states. Stuffing the ballot box is the oldest trick around. Of course, you trot out the same tired excuse : there is zero evidence . Well, there can’t be due to  the Dems opposing all security standards and their pals in the State courts made any attempt at verification impossible. A coup took place all right , but it happened on election night 2020. 

[L Ron Burgundy]

22 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

We know that unverifiable unrequested paper ballots were sent out. The Governors told us they were doing it! Since Biden only “ won” by a few thousand votes in the key swing states ( our electoral system is such that a few extra million votes in deep blue states like NY and CA don’t make a difference) it’s not hard to figure out what happened. Add in that Dem leaders fought all attempts to electronically verify signatures on ballots ( they even opposed a threshold of just 40% that a signature was valid ) prior to the election. It’s pretty obvious that fraudulent ballots were counted in these key states. Stuffing the ballot box is the oldest trick around. Of course, you trot out the same tired excuse : there is zero evidence . Well, there can’t be due to  the Dems opposing all security standards and their pals in the State courts made any attempt at verification impossible. A coup took place all right , but it happened on election night 2020. 

No proof is a tired excuse?  Lol look at what you type!  

 

Recount after recount and still nada.  It must be hard living in an alternate reality.  No matter what happens you'll just trot out some other lame nonsense which is 100% the reason for the current political climate.   Ya'll nuts.

 

As if there was this grand conspiracy,  people risking their freedom for an election mind you, nobody would squeal.  If what you say were true (it ain't) someone would talk or screw it up.  I'm glad at least some of your buddies who tried to shame our country are rotting in jail.   Though they're apparently being treated better than they deserve (huge shock you had another conspiracy about their treatment).

[All_Pro_Bills]

5 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

No proof is a tired excuse?  Lol look at what you type!  

 

Recount after recount and still nada.  It must be hard living in an alternate reality.  No matter what happens you'll just trot out some other lame nonsense which is 100% the reason for the current political climate.   Ya'll nuts.

 

As if there was this grand conspiracy,  people risking their freedom for an election mind you, nobody would squeal.  If what you say were true (it ain't) someone would talk or screw it up.  I'm glad at least some of your buddies who tried to shame our country are rotting in jail.   Though they're apparently being treated better than they deserve (huge shock you had another conspiracy about their treatment).

One problem is this.  The people cheating in key Democrat controlled districts in several swing States, in general delivering just enough fake mail-in ballots to win the Statewide race, are the same local election officials and party members assigned the responsibility to manage the election process and ensure the vote is fair.  Producing proof through auditing the vote counts require the cooperation of those people.  In order for any audit to be performed the people cheating must be willing to assist in activities that will implicate them in cheating.  How exactly would that work?  Maybe we need United Nations observers at polling places to ensure the vote is fair like they do in places like Zimbabwe?  

 

 

[Doc]

The funny thing is believing there was fraud in the 2016 election is completely legit but don't dare question 2020...

[Irv]

Another phony distraction from the disaster Demented Biden and his buddies created.  What a mess.  

[BillsFanNC]

This is why you get the constant breathless reporting everytime you hear about the next "this time we've got him!"

 

"The thing most upsetting to me as a liberal Democrat and civil libertarian is how hard they're searching for a crime," Dershowitz told Just the News in an exclusive interview. "It reminds me of [former head of the Soviet secret police] Lavrentiy Beria saying to Josef Stalin, 'Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime.'"

 

The situation would "change dramatically if there was evidence of tax evasion or a crime like that, but punishment for a political crime should be the American people voting you out of office," he added. "I don't want to be denied my right to vote against Trump in 2024."

 

 

Edited July 31, 2022 by DRsGhost

[716er]

Dershowitz?

 

eek

[BillsFanNC]

1 hour ago, Doc said:

The funny thing is believing there was fraud in the 2016 election is completely legit but don't dare question 2020...

 

It's worse. If you don't parrot the 2020 mantra "most secure election in US history" then you're a conspiracy theorist.

 

The mantra itself and auto reaction from everyone on the left if you don't buy it is the most significant piece of evidence that there were indeed widespread shenanigans in 2020.

 

A Dem strategy to simply just ignore reality like they do on other issues would have been more effective here.

[Albwan]

44 minutes ago, DRsGhost said:

 

It's worse. If you don't parrot the 2020 mantra "most secure election in US history" then you're a conspiracy theorist.

 

The mantra itself and auto reaction from everyone on the left if you don't buy it is the most significant piece of evidence that there were indeed widespread shenanigans in 2020.

 

A Dem strategy to simply just ignore reality like they do on other issues would have been more effective here.

Want to piss off a republican? tell them a lie. Want to piss off a democrat? Tell them the truth.

[L Ron Burgundy]

7 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

One problem is this.  The people cheating in key Democrat controlled districts in several swing States, in general delivering just enough fake mail-in ballots to win the Statewide race, are the same local election officials and party members assigned the responsibility to manage the election process and ensure the vote is fair.  Producing proof through auditing the vote counts require the cooperation of those people.  In order for any audit to be performed the people cheating must be willing to assist in activities that will implicate them in cheating.  How exactly would that work?  Maybe we need United Nations observers at polling places to ensure the vote is fair like they do in places like Zimbabwe?  

 

 

Perfect example of moving the goal posts.

 

Let's do a recount!

 

Then when you don't get the desired outcome you just make up a reasonable reason why you didn't get your way.  Accept it.  The election had the usual amount of fraud.  Should it be zero?  Sure.

 

 

[BillStime]

Day 635

 

[BillsFanNC]

When you recount votes from drop boxes and you have already separated the ballots from the envelopes that had the signature, guess what happens? You count the same number of votes illegal and legal.

 

Once those mail in ballots are separated from their envelopes they are all exactly the same and it's impossible to prove which ones are legal and which ones are illegal.

 

Which of course was the entire point of why the 2020 election was conducted in the way that it was. 

[BillStime]

2 hours ago, DRsGhost said:

When you recount votes from drop boxes and you have already separated the ballots from the envelopes that had the signature, guess what happens? You count the same number of votes illegal and legal.

 

Once those mail in ballots are separated from their envelopes they are all exactly the same and it's impossible to prove which ones are legal and which ones are illegal.

 

Which of course was the entire point of why the 2020 election was conducted in the way that it was. 

635 days 

[BillStime]

 

[ChiGoose]

9 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

The DoJ might actually be going after Trump himself. I was skeptical that they would but the news of the last week is making me change my mind. 

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, ChiGoose said:

The DoJ might actually be going after Trump himself. I was skeptical that they would but the news of the last week is making me change my mind. 

Well his lawyers are prepping and preparing for said charges but I dunno - Julie Kelly has yet to chime in on it and distract the simps.

[Dr.Sack]

3 hours ago, BillStime said:

Well his lawyers are prepping and preparing for said charges but I dunno - Julie Kelly has yet to chime in on it and distract the simps.

As Podesta’s emails revealed the “Piped Piper” strategy means Trump must walk free so as to run against the most “beatable” candidate. 

[BillStime]

 

[BillStime]

 

[Tiberius]

On 7/31/2022 at 8:12 AM, Doc said:

The funny thing is believing there was fraud in the 2016 election is completely legit but don't dare question 2020...

No one try to violently overturn the 2016 election 

[Doc]

3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

No one try to violently overturn the 2016 election 

 

The only violence on J6 occurred in trying to get into the Capitol.  Once inside, they didn't know what to do with themselves, walked around and then left.

[BillStime]

11 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

The only violence on J6 occurred in trying to get into the Capitol.  Once inside, they didn't know what to do with themselves, walked around and then left.

Oh - what happened to lil Miss American Taliban?

[Buffarukus]

On 7/31/2022 at 2:09 PM, L Ron Burgundy said:

Perfect example of moving the goal posts.

 

Let's do a recount!

 

Then when you don't get the desired outcome you just make up a reasonable reason why you didn't get your way.  Accept it.  The election had the usual amount of fraud.  Should it be zero?  Sure.

 

 

 

i agree with this. if there was fraud by all means Republicans leaders need to put up the evidence and show what you got. its been 2 years! its not like the rnc doesnt have the money/power/ or means to conduct whatever investigation is necessary. instead they are relying on ordinary citizens to google evidence and come to conclusions based on accusations up to and including a riot at the capital that many including trump just left them holding the bag when the dust settled. that alone should disqualify rational republicans from assuming he is the great leader they thought he was. someone who fights for them. they missed the part the billionaire stepped up to pay all their legal fees or used any of his platforms to show the american people exactly why he keeps saying that other then broad "they cheated" statements. i really hope he steps aside. there is way to much baggage. alot from people being conned but also alot he created for no reason. 

 

at the same time dems are loving stoking the flames further and then complaining (and of coarse also fundraising) that they alone represent democracy that people want. hilarious. my position has always been if you have half the country that has completely lost faith in the democratic process, why are you using all your power pushing some of the same type of blatent lies and villianization you are complaining about? opposing reasonable measures that secure this process isnt a good look. voter ID is as basic as it gets to security. the majority of the country thinks this. nahhh lets call them all racists and fight against something that has always been a basic requirement. mail in was a "necessity" even as the science in human form Fauci stated in person was perfectly safe. dems quick to ignore that one but happy to adhere to the other insane suggestions that ruined lives. so now the excuse is long gone but dems are still fighting to keep that going with no legitamate reason besides trying to maintain democrat power. the list goes on.

 

so dems are doing no favors when it comes to looking incredably corrupt on the topic as well. they are also doing a huge disservice when it comes to uniting anything or making reasonable concessions. voter turn out numbers in georgia after all the "racist jim crow 2.0 suppression" accusations have them looking like fools, but they carry on for power and media just keep echoing it looking just as foolish. the reality to independent americans is they look weak as F that they they have to push this stuff. i guess they feel they have no way to win on the acctual policies they make or they wouldn't be coming across as so desperate.

 

if either side truley cared they would blow it all up and get ranked voting in because this system is completely gutted and used as the main tool to have people at each others throats. 

[Tiberius]

8 hours ago, Doc said:

 

The only violence on J6 occurred in trying to get into the Capitol.  Once inside, they didn't know what to do with themselves, walked around and then left.

Only? 

 

Trump inspired violence