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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Fact: When Poyer was out for the Houston game, Jaquan Johnson started in his place.

Yes I know I was referring to the end of the season not the way he was viewed October 3rd.

Now watch the preseason this year and how much he plays and get back to me. 

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45 minutes ago, butch rolle said:

Yeah, I agree that it seems like Jada, I mean Rachel, might be this guy's undoing


Why? Because she advocates for her guy to get what he deserves? Perhaps the fans are jealous they don’t have a woman who looks like her AND supports them.

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21 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Yes I know I was referring to the end of the season not the way he was viewed October 3rd.

Now watch the preseason this year and how much he plays and get back to me. 

 

Errr.....the guys who play the most in preseason are usually the guys who are closest to the "bubble" and fighting for a roster spot

You know that, right?

 

End of the season, Johnson and Hamlin got equal playing time subbing in for Poyer and Hyde in the final Jets game and in the NE playoff game

 

What evidence of a preference you have?

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37 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:


Why? Because she advocates for her guy to get what he deserves? Perhaps the fans are jealous they don’t have a woman who looks like her AND supports them.

 

Rachel Bush has >3M Instagram followers and who knows how many OnlyFans subscribers, and I'm sure a number of them don't keep both hands in sight while they're viewing her accounts.  Some guys who have "been there" like being with that, others would tell you living with that has its down side. 

 

As far as support - none of us know whether/how she supports him in private.  She's tweeted about hating that she has to live in/be associated with NY State.  For all we know, Poyer may know he's got a good thing going on in B'lo playing in McDermott's system and partnering with Hyde, and be willing to trust his agent to negotiate a fair deal in turn, but wifey is pushing him to insist Beane negotiate NOW or trade him to somewhere she likes better - which may or may not be to his benefit.  Or maybe she does truly support whatever he wants, career-wise.  Don't know.

 

I'll let Diggs point out the downside of the player being too involved or too public about contract negotiations:

https://youtu.be/sy-mJC-f8ek?t=404

In case that doesn't link to the right timestamp, about 6:44 in.  Diggs says he didn't have any conversations with Beane, he trusts his agent to go to bat for him, he  "lets those things figure themselves out rather than be too involved, because it can put a tarnish on a relationship, this is a business"

 

Do you honestly think Beane negotiates player contracts, or prioritizes which contracts to negotiate next, based on what's trending on Twitter and Insta or what the player or his spouse put out there?  I think it would be safe to "bet the rent money" that he doesn't.    But I do think the team has people who monitor social media, and certainly fans do.  The potential to tarnish the relationship with the team or with the fans vs. a player who just keeps it business, hires an agent he trusts, and then steps back, seems pretty clear.

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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Do you honestly think Beane negotiates player contracts, or prioritizes which contracts to negotiate next, based on what's trending on Twitter and Insta or what the player or his spouse put out there?  I think it would be safe to "bet the rent money" that he doesn't.    But I do think the team has people who monitor social media, and certainly fans do.  The potential to tarnish the relationship with the team or with the fans vs. a player who just keeps it business, hires an agent he trusts, and then steps back, seems pretty clear.

 

I think your question-and-answer could grammatically/logically suggest that Beane doesn't negotiate contracts, and instead follows social media to gauge which way the wind is blowing. Obviously I know that's not the intention, and likely just my stupid former English Prof brain putting more pressure on that first comma+conjunction construction. 

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On 4/6/2022 at 4:12 PM, Warcodered said:

and I thought I wouldn't have anything to needlessly worry about after the Diggs deal.

yeah, this will be the final or next to final season for the core group of 10 or so guys we recongnize as the core of the team.  hope they get it done as this may be the last season we see them together it would seem...can't pay everyone 20m per year. 

 

 Beane betting the farm on the next couple years; hope is works out.  go bills

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6 hours ago, wppete said:

Trade Poyer for a 3rd round pick and draft Jalen Pitre. A great replacement and probably $10-12million cheaper.

 

 

You can take him and not trade Poyer.  We need all hands on deck this season and I don't want to break up the Poyer/Hyde combo for some 3rd round pick.

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8 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:


Why? Because she advocates for her guy to get what he deserves? Perhaps the fans are jealous they don’t have a woman who looks like her AND supports them.

Yes the arm candy should stay out of Other Players money. The minute she opened up her glory hole about Von or using Hyde in her tweets she crossed the line. 
 

brady put his arm candy in place Poyer doesn’t. 

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22 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Oliver, Edmunds SHOULD get extensions before Poyer in a very friendly Defense for DBs and Safeties

 

18 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

The Bills secondary play cannot simply be attributed solely to smoke and mirrors.

 

12 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Sure it can. Tell me How hard do you think it is for a player to be 15 yards off the Ball. With their eyes looking right at the QB. safety is easier to play than RB OG WLB and those are all very easy positions. Safety is the easiest position to play on a football field. Now add it into a Cover 3 DB friendly defenses. And You have two players that have been moved on from their other teams making all pros. Hyde is the glue back there I can get same production from any NFL safety next to Hyde. Doesn’t have to have the name Poyer or be paid 12M a year. 

 

I think reducing the Bills perennial secondary success to scheme is an oversimplification. You still need good football players to have a good team. If it was as simple as playing a DB friendly scheme every team would have a good secondary.

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8 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:


Why? Because she advocates for her guy to get what he deserves? Perhaps the fans are jealous they don’t have a woman who looks like her AND supports them.

 

Ok Rachel.

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2 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Just gonna leave this here..

 

restructuring requires basically paying now most of the future salary payments and spreading the cap hit over 4 or 5 years going forward.   it all works as long as the player is on the roster, still motivated (remember he has most of his contract $$ in his pocket already if restructured) healthy and producing for those 4 or 5 (or more years).  If anything happens to health, production and the player is anything other than traded, the whole unrecognized contract value hits the year the player leaves (other than getting traded).   So we'll see how it goes.  the Bills' highest paid players have been healthy and productive, as long as that continues (and the cap continues to increase) kicking the cap can down the road works.  high stakes game.   go bills

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10 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:


Why? Because she advocates for her guy to get what he deserves? Perhaps the fans are jealous they don’t have a woman who looks like her AND supports them.

Complaining on social media about your partner's employer is insanely unprofessional and completely out of line.  I would be mortified if my wife took to twitter to complain about my salary or to call out my employer.  I realize her entire life revolves around her social media presence and accumulating "followers", but she needs to realize that most people operate in a much different world.

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2 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

I think reducing the Bills perennial secondary success to scheme is an oversimplification. You still need good football players to have a good team. If it was as simple as playing a DB friendly scheme every team would have a good secondary.


But are they good football players, or true All-Pros? They were castoffs before they came here.  Good football players can be replaced with younger, cheaper good football players in a good scheme.  All Pros can't be replaced.  The latter gets paid no matter what.

Tre went out, our secondary soldiered on.  If Josh/Diggs/Von went out (KNOCK ON WOOD.), would it go on at nearly the same level?

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11 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Why? Because she advocates for her guy to get what he deserves? Perhaps the fans are jealous they don’t have a woman who looks like her AND supports them.

 

This is some really pathetic energy here. The point being that by opening her mouth and creating a distraction she is in fact doing the opposite of helping her husband, but lacks the self awareness to realize it. Unless her goal is to talk her husband off the team, in which case I'd say the fans are right to be annoyed with her. Her looks have literally nothing to do with anything. I'm starting to view her as I view Eugene Parker, who cost us a pretty decent safety that no one wanted to lose at the time either. This FO has shown that they don't like things negotiated in public, they prefer things to be kept in-house. If Poyer wants a new deal, he has Rosenhaus approach the FO. If they FO says no to a raise, he has three choices: play out his remaining year, engage in childish antics claiming he won't play absent a new deal, or he can ask for a trade, in which case complaining publicly lowers the likelihood of him moving because it lowers his trade value. Beane isn't about option 2 and the majority of fans in Buffalo will immediately turn on the player for messing with our Super Bowl window. Team Poyer's best move is to shut up, negotiate quietly and if things fall apart, quietly ask for a trade. That is, if he actually cares about the team that gave him a chance to develop into a very good player and the fans who have only supported him, as he purports to.

 

Look at Diggs, we never even knew something was being negotiated and he never complained about anything, then he got paid. 

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3 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

 

 

 

I think reducing the Bills perennial secondary success to scheme is an oversimplification. You still need good football players to have a good team. If it was as simple as playing a DB friendly scheme every team would have a good secondary.

And they do.  Find me a Cover 3 base coverage scheme over the last decade that has not had a good secondary?

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I love Poyer as a person and player, but the fact of the matter is we can't keep paying everyone who wants more money.

 

Especially in the secondary, where we have a very friendly system and a coach who knows how to get the most out of players.  

 

Poyer has worked hard and become a very good player, but is he the same player elsewhere?  Are we any worse off with a different Safety?  I honestly don't know.

 

There's 5 big decisions to  make after this upcoming season:  Knox, Edmunds, Poyer, Saffold & Singletary.   Of those guys, the only must sign for me is Knox and I wouldn't mind Edmunds & Saffold if the money is right and their play warrants them being back.  

 

If I'm the Bills.. Poyer, Singletary and Edmunds (dependent upon their long term view of him) are all available right now.  None of those guys here or gone changes the fact that this is a Super Bowl roster.  LB, RB, S are as replaceable as it gets in the NFL.  

 

 

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4 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said:

I think reducing the Bills perennial secondary success to scheme is an oversimplification. You still need good football players to have a good team. If it was as simple as playing a DB friendly scheme every team would have a good secondary.

 

1 hour ago, JustHewIt said:

But are they good football players, or true All-Pros? They were castoffs before they came here.  Good football players can be replaced with younger, cheaper good football players in a good scheme.  All Pros can't be replaced.  The latter gets paid no matter what.

Tre went out, our secondary soldiered on.  If Josh/Diggs/Von went out (KNOCK ON WOOD.), would it go on at nearly the same level?

 

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

And they do.  Find me a Cover 3 base coverage scheme over the last decade that has not had a good secondary?

 

I'm not saying that Poyer has to be re-signed at any and all costs.

 

I am saying that some here are dismissing his contributions to the team, as if he's a generic plug and play guy.

 

Poyer is a very good player and a respected veteran leader. If he departed before the 2022 season, it would undo a lot of the gains the team has made this offseason, both from a personnel and a morale standpoint.

 

It will be interesting to see how the team handles this somewhat sensitive situation.

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