oldmanfan Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Back in the day many criticized Overdorf when we didn’t keep guys or sign FAs. But I always believed he was just carrying out what the cheap SOB Littman wanted. But Overdorf as the cap guy (along with Beane of course) now has really done a heckuva job this offseason. Props to him. 23 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringMetheHeadofLeonLett Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Fair enough. It does look like they're pulling out every tool in the 🧰 this year, and we don't look TOO terrible for future years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Ralph was cheap. 3 1 5 4 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 The Pegula's are letting him and Beane spend. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Man that’s a name I haven’t heard in awhile (Littman) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 I didn't know he was still here? Good job nonetheless. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Just now, Clyde Smith said: I didn't know he was still here? Good job nonetheless. He is here but Beane is a “cap guy” as in that is the meat of his FO background. So he works for Beane, but Beane is likely very involved. In the past for example a GM like Whaley, who came up the ranks with a heavy pro scouting background , overdorf really had a lot more to do with the cap because that’s his role and Whaley had to lean on him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 28 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Back in the day many criticized Overdorf when we didn’t keep guys or sign FAs. But I always believed he was just carrying out what the cheap SOB Littman wanted. But Overdorf as the cap guy (along with Beane of course) now has really done a heckuva job this offseason. Props to him. He’s probably good but the difference between this administration and past one is that Beane and company seem to understand the salary cap. Whaley was especially clueless. 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He is here but Beane is a “cap guy” as in that is the meat of his FO background. So he works for Beane, but Beane is likely very involved. In the past for example a GM like Whaley, who came up the ranks with a heavy pro scouting background , overdorf really had a lot more to do with the cap because that’s his role and Whaley had to lean on him. I would argue though that Whaley didn’t really understand the salary cap. The Bills were always in a pretty bad cap situation, without having to pay a QB 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JohnNord said: He’s probably good but the difference between this administration and past one is that Beane and company seem to understand the salary cap. Whaley was especially clueless. I would argue though that Whaley didn’t really understand the salary cap. The Bills were always in a pretty bad cap situation, without having to pay a QB That’s not arguing - that’s exactly what I’m saying. Whaley didn’t know the cap stuff and leaned on overdorf for that stuff. Beane does, that’s his area of expertise, and overdorf just works for him in that space. Edited March 24, 2022 by YoloinOhio 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 35 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Back in the day many criticized Overdorf when we didn’t keep guys or sign FAs. But I always believed he was just carrying out what the cheap SOB Littman wanted. But Overdorf as the cap guy (along with Beane of course) now has really done a heckuva job this offseason. Props to him. its been pretty simple manipulations we just aren’t used to seeing them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 15 minutes ago, White Linen said: The Pegula's are letting him and Beane spend. With a salary cap,what do you mean "letting him and Beane spend"? Are you referring to paying bonuses up- front? It's the same amount of money overall. That can get you into a bad cap situation but Beane is keeping it under cmder control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 42 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Back in the day many criticized Overdorf when we didn’t keep guys or sign FAs. But I always believed he was just carrying out what the cheap SOB Littman wanted. But Overdorf as the cap guy (along with Beane of course) now has really done a heckuva job this offseason. Props to him. Funny how you think it was Littman. Unless Ralph Wilson's alias was Littman you are wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Round Bust Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 (edited) poor Whaley was mentored by good ole Buddy Nix, who didnt get the NFL transformation to the passing game was key...and if Whaley did,...the two #1 traded for Watkins and the selection of EJ Manuel in the first round, each by themselves are just cause for terminatiion... Edited March 24, 2022 by First Round Bust Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eSJayDee Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Our cap issues in the past were 2 fold - 1) We had the edict "cash to the cap", which is to say we were NOT spending up to the cap, ie Ralph is cheap 2) We saddled ourselves w/ burdensome contracts. That isn't so much a cap issue, but rather a talent assessment problem. ie we were giving lots of $ to people that didn't live up to their contracts. Related to #2 - I've noticed that we now have a few contracts that are "burdensome" (Allen, White, Miller & I think a few more). Hopefully, these guys continue to live up to their contracts; if they don't we'll be in trouble in the next few yrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Shout, shout, let it all out. These are the things I can do without. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 24, 2022 Author Share Posted March 24, 2022 14 minutes ago, Beast said: Funny how you think it was Littman. Unless Ralph Wilson's alias was Littman you are wrong. 15 minutes ago, Beast said: Funny how you think it was Littman. Unless Ralph Wilson's alias was Littman you are wrong. I have always felt that, when Ralph was getting older, it was Littman who screwed things up. He had a small percentage ownership stake so he wanted to save $$. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunTheBall Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, eSJayDee said: Related to #2 - I've noticed that we now have a few contracts that are "burdensome" (Allen, White, Miller & I think a few more). Hopefully, these guys continue to live up to their contracts; if they don't we'll be in trouble in the next few yrs. Burdensome contracts for a franchise QB who’s top 3 in the league, an all pro corner and a HOF DE on a 3 year deal. Seriously, you can’t beat a Super Bowl contender without a few superstars and you have to pay them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 29 minutes ago, Georgie said: With a salary cap,what do you mean "letting him and Beane spend"? Are you referring to paying bonuses up- front? It's the same amount of money overall. That can get you into a bad cap situation but Beane is keeping it under cmder control. What that means is they are paying out more cash. It doesn’t get you into a bad cap situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 12 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Shout, shout, let it all out. These are the things I can do without. Come on! I'm talking to you! Come on! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 why? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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