billsfan1959 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said: Hot garbage. Any scheme that required you to actually show up and block he would have been a poor fit. Maybe on some non-playoff junk teams he can start. But for a playoff team with a high caliber offense he was an immense liability. Hence, unemployed. Actually, the problem with the line last year wasn't Williams, it was continuity. When your top 5 linemen manage to play together for only 5 games all season - and two of those were in the playoffs, it is pretty difficult to assess overall line play. Williams kept moving between RT and RG because of injuries and covid. The emergence of Brown at RT (and Williams being paid T money at RG) and Kromer coming in are the reasons he is gone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Guy I’m targeting is Alex Cappa. Young and athletic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 What a revolting development this is... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, appoo said: Guy I’m targeting is Alex Cappa. Young and athletic looks like a good guy. one issue we will have with FA OL is that the Bengals have a HUGE need and will likely outbid us if we are interested in the same guys (rumor is they want Cappa, well, and every other FA OL!). That said, we will get a FA OL and hopefully draft someone in Rd 1-2. Some good prospects available it looks like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandalay Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: Actually, the problem with the line last year wasn't Williams, it was continuity. When your top 5 linemen manage to play together for only 5 games all season - and two of those were in the playoffs, it is pretty difficult to assess overall line play. Williams kept moving between RT and RG because of injuries and covid. The emergence of Brown at RT (and Williams being paid T money at RG) and Kromer coming in are the reasons he is gone. We brought back 5 starting linemen from the year prior. We shuffled the line due to poor play and ineffectiveness. It's funny to me that some Bills fans want to complain how bad the line is during the season but at the same time never hold any specific players accountable. It's okay to be harsh and critical of players when they deserve it. Williams wasn't making a ton, 3yr/24mm can play anywhere on the line, but not if you are completely ineffective. This is a winning football team now, not a group of lovable losers and needs to be managed as such. He's a great cut and easily replaceable at both RG or RT.... Brown is already better and we can draft and integrate another rookie this year or low end signing. Edited March 14, 2022 by ArtVandalay 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Not a complete surprise, from what sources like the Athletic, Sal & others have been saying. Sounded like a $ & scheme fit casualty. But the staying in contact & possible reunion is interesting, sounds like it was more about $ than scheme possibly. Lots of moving parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Well this one I wasn't sure about if they'd release him or not since he performed decent at G. Interested to see if they do work out something and bring him back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: looks like a good guy. one issue we will have with FA OL is that the Bengals have a HUGE need and will likely outbid us if we are interested in the same guys (rumor is they want Cappa, well, and every other FA OL!). That said, we will get a FA OL and hopefully draft someone in Rd 1-2. Some good prospects available it looks like. If you’re getting sacked 5 times a game, then you shouldn’t be going out and getting guards. If the Bengals want to keep Burrow alive then they need to find a pair of tackles that allow Jonah Williams to move inside 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Just now, appoo said: If you’re getting sacked 5 times a game, then you shouldn’t be going out and getting guards. If the Bengals want to keep Burrow alive then they need to find a pair of tackles that allow Jonah Williams to move inside good points! 6 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said: We brought back 5 starting linemen from the year prior. We shuffled the line due to poor play and ineffectiveness. It's funny to me that some Bills fans want to complain how bad the line is during the season but at the same time never hold any specific players accountable. It's okay to be harsh and critical of players when they deserve it. Williams wasn't making a ton, 3yr/24mm can play anywhere on the line, but not if you are completely ineffective. This is a winning football team now, not a group of lovable losers and needs to be managed as such. He's a great cut and easily replaceable at both RG or RT.... Brown is already better and we can draft and integrate another rookie this year or low end signing. exactly. We need to be paying impact players, not average players the big money. I'm hoping these cuts/restructures lead to C. Jones, a DT, and another TE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Don't like this move. First of all Brown wasn't that great at RT last year and there is no guarantee he doesn't regress. Even if they sign a good OG in FA they are really gambling at OT. Doyle could barely hold his own as an extra TE. Almost necessitates taking another OT in the draft a year after taking two. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. If the plan is to protect Allen, so far Beane has cut two average guys and freed up some cap space. Lets see how he uses it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Never mess with Aaron Kromer's beach chairs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, PetermansRedemption said: You don’t do this unless your planning to make a decent sized signing IMO. Not accurate at all. We have no cap space coming into the off-season and some big holes to fill like CB and DT plus needing help elsewhere. You can’t take up over $8M in cap space (RT money) for what is likely a mediocre starting guard or a backup G/T when you have cap space issues. This move always seemed probable given our cap issues and Williams projected role this next season. It’s not an indicator that a big signing is happening. Doesn’t mean we won’t make a big signing, but just saying this was always a strong possibility regardless who we sign. Personally I think it’s also quite possible he returns as a depth OL guys who can backup G or T. Depends what kind of market there is for him though. Edited March 14, 2022 by Alphadawg7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, appoo said: If you’re getting sacked 5 times a game, then you shouldn’t be going out and getting guards. If the Bengals want to keep Burrow alive then they need to find a pair of tackles that allow Jonah Williams to move inside Their potential solution at RT just hit the market… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 The savings was needed, but opens up a huge hole. Not to mention, Brown has back issues. Need a starting guard and a very good back up RT now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said: We brought back 5 starting linemen from the year prior. We shuffled the line due to poor play and ineffectiveness. It's funny to me that some Bills fans want to complain how bad the line is during the season but at the same time never hold any specific players accountable. It's okay to be harsh and critical of players when they deserve it. Williams wasn't making a ton, 3yr/24mm can play anywhere on the line, but not if you are completely ineffective. This is a winning football team now, not a group of lovable losers and needs to be managed as such. He's a great cut and easily replaceable at both RG or RT.... Brown is already better and we can draft and integrate another rookie this year or low end signing. I have no problems with Williams going. He does not fit what Kromer likes to do and, yes, he would have been overpaid as a guard. Also, I wasn't one of those criticizing the oline without holding any particular player accountable. Ford was awful and Dawkins didn't play near to the level he is capable until the last 5 games or so of the season. Dawkins also missed a game, Brown started only 10 games, Feliciano went down and ended up playing in 9 games - and when he did play, he wasn't as effective as he had been the year before. As I said, there were literally 5 games in which their best 5 linemen were on the field at the same time. In a year where they had all kinds of problems along that line, Williams wasn't anywhere near the top of that list. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Just when you thought you knew what the OLINE was going to look like..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Better thab sittibg on their hands and running it back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 We have a looming deadline to be under the cap by Wednesday. We can always re-sign Williams to a smaller number and bring him back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY Nole Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 I was not too surprised with this cut -- since they signed him to be a RT but with Spencer Brown outperforming him at that spot -- take the money and find a better fit at RG. I don't know what to make of the connection with their analytics though. Someone posted the RAS scores -- and it seems to be factoring into who the Bills draft/sign -- is this a proven thing over time? As much as I think analytics is a helpful tool -- I hope that Bean and Company are not using it as the be all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, wjag said: Just when you thought you knew what the OLINE was going to look like..... It was mentioned he could be resigned, but probably all depends if a cheaper option with same/similar production becomes available would be my guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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