Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: We forget the same s***** we see year after year. Everyone was sopping wet over Harris and Etienne last year. Anybody want Najee over Rousseau now.? Swift. Dobbins. Edwards SHElaire. Moss. MOSS?? MMOOOSSS?! 🤬. Taylors a monster (scores 1-10). You can play this game going back 10years. Every team thinks they're smarter than everyone else, that's other team NOT USSS... and then they are. Invest capital into a high bust rate position. That can't stay healthy, no matter who they are. They need a new contract after year 4, just in time for their transmission to blow. Is anyone that hard up for 3,200 yards over a 4 year return. Just made me think that the Chiefs took CEH over Jonathan Taylor. 😳 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 6 hours ago, JaCrispy said: I wouldn’t be surprised if the Bills took Hall in the 1st, and a CB in the 2nd- especially if McD is serious about wanting to reduce Allen’s designed runs... After all, the main reason Allen is forced to run is because of the inconsistent production from Singletary and Moss... When the line became functional, Singletary was anything but inconsistent. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 My first choice is to take the best available CB @ 25. But I wouldn't be opposed to trading back into the early 2nd and draft Breece Hall. Use 57 on a CB. Now you have an extra 3rd for a speed wr and IOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 4 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: I couldn't disagree more. When we drafted Tre White in 2017, he started from Day 1. I'd expect the same after taking a CB in Round 1 in 2022. If the plan were to sign a Starter in FA, that would have been addressed early. The fact that we were never in on one says to me Round 1 has always been the plan for opposite Tre. I believe we may sign a veteran like Joe Haden on a 1-yr deal if he's willing to come cheap to add to a 1st Round CB to help fill in the void for a few games without Tre and then to be depth alongside Dane Jackson. But a Stephon Gilmore, James Bradberry type signing isn't happening. We can't afford it and we're already paying Tre big money. Truly feel the plan has always been to upgrade Levi at CB2 and have them under an affordable Rookie deal by drafting in Round 1. Heck, if we continue to fill holes with bargains and the roster is in pretty good shape - it wouldn't shock me to see Beane move up in Round 1 for one of the top two CB's. Especially if one of them slips a little. I hear you, and it's logical. But this FO has never been one that at CB2 plans either for a Gilmore - Bradberry type FA or a high draft pick. Just the opposite, You could certainly be right, but my bet is we see them continuing with SOP, bringing in a lowish level but solid, smart guy - a Wallaceish type - as the pressure on the FAs ratchets up as time passes. And then getting another somewhere in the early to mid rounds. With CB as one of the 3 - 5 positions they consider positions of need if BPA is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Magnum Force said: 6 CBs were taken in the 1st Round of the 2020 Draft ahead of Jonathan Taylor of the Colts at pick 41… 2 were taken in the top 10 ( one at pick 3) ., without the use of google… can you name any of them? I see your point. But it's cherry-picking. Can people name the other two RBs picked before Taylor? Were they good picks? And it's fairly typical that CBs take 2 or 3 seasons before becoming great while RBs who become great become great earlier and also wear down earlier. Edited March 23, 2022 by Thurman#1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 I think CB would be the smart pick. But I wouldn't be mad if Hall was the pick at 25, just because I think he would make the offense filthy and I think Beane and McDermott are good analyzers of defensive backs, so I would have faith they would still land one in the following rounds. But I would have to guess that cb or iol will be the pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 2 hours ago, mrags said: the following super winners since 1999 all disagree with you. 2000 Ravens with Jamal Lewis, 1,300+ yards, 6TDs 2001 Patriots with Antwon Smith, 1,100+ yards, 12TDs 2004 Patriots with Corey Dillon, 1,600+ yards, 12TDs 2005 Steelers with Willie Parker, 1,200+ yards 2012 Ravens with Ray Rice, 1,100+ yards, 9TDs 2013 Seahawks with Marshawn Lynch, 1,200+ yards, 12TDs 2016 Patriots with Legarrette Blount, 1,100+ yards, 18TDs Then there’s other super winners that had respectable 1,000+ yard seasons with their RBs. And anyone that wants to argue that nothing is special about a 1,000 yard season, needs to look directly at Devin Singletary and how he has never had a 1,000 yard season. 2006 Colts had 1,000+ with Addai 2007 Giants had 1,000+ with Jacobs Then there’s the teams that lost the Super Bowls in those years as well. I’ve already done enough work to make my point but off the top of my head the following teams were all run heavy. All had over 1,000+ yard rushers. 1999 Titans 2000 Giants 2001 Rams 2003 Panthers 2005 Seahawks 2006 Bears 2010 Steelers 2012 49ers 2013 Broncos 2014 Seahawks 2016 Falcons 2018 Rams 2021 Bengals Excellent post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said: I hear you, and it's logical. But this FO has never been one that at CB2 plans either for a Gilmore - Bradberry type FA or a high draft pick. Just the opposite, You could certainly be right, but my bet is we see them continuing with SOP, bringing in a lowish level but solid, smart guy - a Wallaceish type - as the pressure on the FAs ratchets up as time passes. And then getting another somewhere in the early to mid rounds. With CB as one of the 3 - 5 positions they consider positions of need if BPA is there. I don't think they look at things in terms of CB1 v. CB2. It's a starting CB. When they drafted Tre White in Round 1, I don't think they were thinking "we're only doing this bc he's a CB1". They just knew they needed a starting Corner. It wasn't until they saw how good he looked at Training Camp (as well as E.J. Gaines), that they made that decision and traded Ronald Darby. I also think they never put much into CB2 because Levi Wallace blew them away from his very first game and they felt comfortable with him for 4 seasons. But after watching Levi get lit up in relief of Tre and Dane Jackson not looking quite as well as he did in his rookie season, I believe they realized they need to have more than just one high quality CB if we are to face multiple high powered passing offenses en route to a Super Bowl. Especially after seeing what happens if Tre goes down with injury. My issue with waiting until Round 2 is there's a big dropoff in talent projection between the top 6 CB's and the next best. And all 6 will be taken by the time we pick at 57. I expect Gardner, Stingley, McDuffie, Booth, McCreary, and Elam to be off the board by 40. Edited March 23, 2022 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: When the line became functional, Singletary was anything but inconsistent. He had 26 yards on 10 carries vs the Chiefs in the Divisional round- and that’s with no one concerned about stopping our running game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: I see your point. But it's cherry-picking. Can people name the other two RBs picked before Taylor? Were they good picks? And it's fairly typical that CBs take 2 or 3 seasons before becoming great while RBs who become great become great earlier and also wear down earlier. The two picked before Taylor were Clyde Edwards-Helaire and Swift. I didn't get it then and I don't get it now. Taylor was obviously to me the best back in that class. As for corners that was the Jeff Okudah (I had a really high grade on him it hasn't worked out yet), CJ Henderson (who I didn't have a first round grade on and has struggled pretty much as I expected) class. The third corner off the board was AJ Terrell though and he is a stud, and Trevon Diggs was that class too and while he is a bit boom or bust he is a playmaker. Edited March 23, 2022 by GunnerBill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 I really think this is gonna depend on what’s there at 25 been doesn’t reach that means if the top corners are all gone he’s going to go in another direction I really do believe that if he top corner is on the board that’s what we take if they’re all gone a lot of positions are on the table I don’t think trading back is really an option this roster is so sad and we have brought in so many veterans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: I really think this is gonna depend on what’s there at 25 been doesn’t reach that means if the top corners are all gone he’s going to go in another direction I really do believe that if he top corner is on the board that’s what we take if they’re all gone a lot of positions are on the table I don’t think trading back is really an option this roster is so sad and we have brought in so many veterans What? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 8 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Mel Kiper has us taking Jahan Dotson at 25 today. Happens to be my favorite WR in the draft. 🙂 Interestingly, he has G/C Johnson going with the next pick, then Hall and Burks with the next two picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 9 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Mel Kiper has us taking Jahan Dotson at 25 today. Happens to be my favorite WR in the draft. 🙂 If I can’t have Breece Hall, this would be a great consolation prize. 14 minutes ago, TPS said: Interestingly, he has G/C Johnson going with the next pick, then Hall and Burks with the next two picks. Would be really cool to be a fly on the wall to see our draft board right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 8 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: And it's fairly typical that CBs take 2 or 3 seasons before becoming great while RBs who become great become great earlier and also wear down earlier. Exactly…And we are in win the Superbowl mode now. We need to sign a veteran CB and develop a younger one or 2.. But Breece Hall would make an impact immediately borh in the running game and passing game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnum Force Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 The Bills had the #1 Defense last year. We have a top 5 QB We have a top 5 WR We have a top 5 TE We have a top 5 Edge Rusher We have a top 5 CB We have top 5 Safety Tandem We have the number 31 rated starting RB in the league that is small and slow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Can you just imagine how pissed off Sauce Gardner is gonna be if he gets taken by the jets, 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 11 hours ago, Motor26 said: Not since 1999 and Marshall Faulk has the Super Bowl champion had a 1st team all pro running back. Why? Because it is a passing league. Need to be able to pass and defend the pass at a high level. Bills need CB or help to keep Josh upright from the oline more than they need a running back in the first round. Greatest Show on Turf was because of combo run/pass situation in St. Louis 9 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Just made me think that the Chiefs took CEH over Jonathan Taylor. 😳 Some wouldn’t believe the game tape! Thought JT28 had too much mileage on legs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Who do you think Josh would want? The stud WR, that's who. That's why you would ask Josh, because that is who the FO wanted all along. You tell him, once you get this guy, Josh has to use him for at least 3 years. Josh will gladly agree. This is the Sanders replacement with much more long term potential value. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 Was listening to Joe Marino on WGR this morning. He’s not a fan of Breece Hall, but he wasn’t a fan of Josh Allen either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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