Billy Claude Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 In Flores first year he called an all out blitz against the Steelers on a 3rd and 20 at midfield with 20 sec left in the first half. A lot people said that was proof that Flores was tanking. Maybe he got paid for it too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RalphWilson'sNewWar Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Billy Claude said: In Flores first year he called an all out blitz against the Steelers on a 3rd and 20 at midfield with 20 sec left in the first half. A lot people said that was proof that Flores was tanking. Maybe he got paid for it too. That’s not really the narrative Flores is hoping to create with this though. He doesn’t want league, media and fans going back to every single play that didn’t work over 3 seasons and say “see there’s proof he was tanking” If that is what we are going to do someone go check The Bills D and Special Teams coordinators bank accounts. Flora’s wants the narrative to be I was bribed and I refused and I was then treated differently and fired for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Flores has to have tangible evidence other than a one on one conversation. NFL will land in court if they try to force Ross to sell prior this lawsuit going to court. More I read of this the more I think Flores is a guy with a chip on his shoulder. Burning bridges on any coaching career. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 13 minutes ago, HappyDays said: It would only be a crime if Ross directly bet on games. Investing in a sports gambling company while trying to tank your team is not a conflict of interest. If it was, being a team owner would itself be a conflict of interest. Or if he gave said info to those betting…. Fixing or attempted fixing of a game that has people wagering on its outcome is likely a crime… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) 54 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: I wonder though... Everything I posted was things that Flores did that many people said made no sense at the time. But maybe it was his way of trying to make that (losing) happen? He certainly didn't stand up and say something at the time. A HC "trying to lose" would actually be pretty hard to do, especially not making it too obvious. Like I said, the assistant coaches making peanuts who are trying to work their way up the ladder are not going to go along with it, nor are the players. I don't think a HC trying to lose would be difficult at all. Say Miami is playing Buffalo. Flores goes to his DC and says I want a little more concentration on the Bills running game this week. Even 20 percent more than they usually gave it and it takes away from preperation from Allen and the passing game. I believe that would be a big deal come Sunday. Edited February 15, 2022 by Beast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harryS Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Flores wins if this happens. I believe Flores' career was already in danger because Ross was backstabbing / ratfudging him with the other owners; Flores was about to be blackballed out of the league. But if he can make Ross lose his team on the way out, then Flores will have gotten his vengeance. The "NFL is racist" stuff was just to draw as many eyeballs as possible to the situation in Miami and Flores' accusations. Flores may very well believe it but it's not his primary motive. As they way, "all politics is personal", and in this case there is a personal vendetta between Flores and Ross. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Claude Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: That’s not really the narrative Flores is hoping to create with this though. He doesn’t want league, media and fans going back to every single play that didn’t work over 3 seasons and say “see there’s proof he was tanking” If that is what we are going to do someone go check The Bills D and Special Teams coordinators bank accounts. Flora’s wants the narrative to be I was bribed and I refused and I was then treated differently and fired for it. I agreed that this doesn't help Flores' lawsuit but it would certainly hurt Ross and it was definitely a move nobody understood at the time. Edited February 16, 2022 by Billy Claude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 8 hours ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said: "I plead the fifth" or "I do not recall that conversation" 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Ross could loose more than the team. He was the owner of a sports betting business at the time of this (see link below). If they can prove he was paying to throw games while running a sports betting business that stood to make $ on those losses, that's a federal racketeering indictment & a possible prison term. Long way to go to get evidence to prove it. But w/ NFL getting into the gambling business this could get to be an issue pretty quickly. https://www.yogonet.com/international/news/2019/11/29/51709-nfl-39s-miami-dolphins-39-owner-stephen-ross-invests-in-sports-betting-startup 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, TheFunPolice said: I wonder though... Everything I posted was things that Flores did that many people said made no sense at the time. But maybe it was his way of trying to make that (losing) happen? He certainly didn't stand up and say something at the time. A HC "trying to lose" would actually be pretty hard to do, especially not making it too obvious. Like I said, the assistant coaches making peanuts who are trying to work their way up the ladder are not going to go along with it, nor are the players. That's basically every HC we had during the drought. We are winning, let's do something different than what got us winning in the first place. They adjusted to the defense we were running, keep running it until it works. We ran really well when they showed this look for 3 1/2 qtrs, let's pass instead. I don't think it would be that hard to do. Edited February 16, 2022 by The Wiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 19 hours ago, GunnerBill said: His lawyers say he has corroborating witnesses. The question of course is whether they are willing to risk their careers speaking out? The NFL tends to close ranks on perceived trouble makers even if they are justified. they gave the Saints whistle blower a job in the league office 2 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said: Ross could loose more than the team. He was the owner of a sports betting business at the time of this (see link below). If they can prove he was paying to throw games while running a sports betting business that stood to make $ on those losses, that's a federal racketeering indictment & a possible prison term. Long way to go to get evidence to prove it. But w/ NFL getting into the gambling business this could get to be an issue pretty quickly. https://www.yogonet.com/international/news/2019/11/29/51709-nfl-39s-miami-dolphins-39-owner-stephen-ross-invests-in-sports-betting-startup even if he didn’t make money off it, fixing sports games isn’t legal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Ralph was subtle. 😋 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Good Lord Florio. I just read the yahoo story I didn't see the pregame report Sunday. Not buying this at all. The NFL is being charged (again) with essentially systemic racism by Flores. Not a good look to be seen as ignoring his charges by not reporting on the developments in his lawsuit. The NFL's legal team in response to a question about the league potentially being seen as "burying" all stories involving Flores and his lawsuit: "Um......let's be a bit proactive here; just put all the reports on NFL.com. When this is over we need to at least have made it clear ANY talk of tanking is unacceptable and we will even force you to sell!" *Lawyers chest bump Goodell* This just makes zero sense. When franchise resets happen you don't think it isn't discussed at all - draft position - it's not even mentioned "we're gonna suck in year 1, which is fine because the top pick is Joe Burrow. Hmmm." Give me a freaking break Florio. Yes I do think it was probably a comment made as a joke because rich entitled out of touch owner gives zero f..s. And the very well respected coach says "yes I'm definitely in the right place with the right culture. This will end well." 100K for every loss. Lol yea Brian and I'm sure you weren't laughing it up to. Say the team goes 2-14. "Thanks Brian great job! Here is 1.4 million dollars - I'll send it to your venmo." Yea Ross was completely serious about that 100K - even if a joke in discussing #1 picks - you open up a massive can of worms on oh I'm going to guess around 15 to 25 GMs and maybe other owners to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chandler's Hands Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 5 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Lets keep this up...it's fintastic! I don't know about that. If we go overboard, people will just tuna us out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 10 hours ago, Bob Chandler's Hands said: I don't know about that. If we go overboard, people will just tuna us out. That's dolphintely an issue that we need to prevent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chandler's Hands Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 32 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: That's dolphintely an issue that we need to prevent. I like the cut of your jib. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 19 hours ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said: That’s not really the narrative Flores is hoping to create with this though. He doesn’t want league, media and fans going back to every single play that didn’t work over 3 seasons and say “see there’s proof he was tanking” If that is what we are going to do someone go check The Bills D and Special Teams coordinators bank accounts. Flora’s wants the narrative to be I was bribed and I refused and I was then treated differently and fired for it. If the alleged offer from Ross came during the 2019 season, it had no impact on the outcome if Flores "refused". The Fins still got the 2nd QB in the draft after Burrow--clearly the guy they wanted (maybe Flores excluded. Then they play 2 full seasons......and then Ross fires Flores for "refusing to throw games" 2 years ago, despite it having no affect on their draft outcome? 17 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said: Ross could loose more than the team. He was the owner of a sports betting business at the time of this (see link below). If they can prove he was paying to throw games while running a sports betting business that stood to make $ on those losses, that's a federal racketeering indictment & a possible prison term. Long way to go to get evidence to prove it. But w/ NFL getting into the gambling business this could get to be an issue pretty quickly. https://www.yogonet.com/international/news/2019/11/29/51709-nfl-39s-miami-dolphins-39-owner-stephen-ross-invests-in-sports-betting-startup Not sure why people are still confusing this. Flores's whole suit is that NO games were thrown, because he refused to go along with the scheme--so he says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Doesn't make sense offering Flores $100k for loses when that refs would do much better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soflabillsfan1 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 If Flores doesn't have definitive, clear, substantiated evidence that he was offered money to lose games, then someone gave him some really bad advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Not sure why people are still confusing this. Flores's whole suit is that NO games were thrown, because he refused to go along with the scheme--so he says. Attempt is also a crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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