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'87  Miss the playoffs, but tons of promise, compared to '19 Miss the playoffs but tons of promise

'88  Kill it, go 12-4, lightning fast offense, but don't have home field, lose AFC Title away frostbite game to Bengals , compared to '20, Kill it, go 13-3, but again lose home field & lose to Chiefs away 

'89  Go 9-7, sneak in as AFC Champs, but seeding is low and lose "The Drop" game to Browns away, compared to '21 , stumble in to AFCE title, but lose away in Divisional round

 

1990, Kill it, finally get home field advantage throughout the playoffs and go to the SB.  -- 2022, ? 

 

Home field advantage in playoffs (this season being an outlier) has been shown to be a significant advantage over the years.   Hopefully next year Bills win the Jax games of the world and get the Chefs at home.  

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41 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

'87  Miss the playoffs, but tons of promise, compared to '19 Miss the playoffs but tons of promise

'88  Kill it, go 12-4, lightning fast offense, but don't have home field, lose AFC Title away frostbite game to Bengals , compared to '20, Kill it, go 13-3, but again lose home field & lose to Chiefs away 

'89  Go 9-7, sneak in as AFC Champs, but seeding is low and lose "The Drop" game to Browns away, compared to '21 , stumble in to AFCE title, but lose away in Divisional round

 

1990, Kill it, finally get home field advantage throughout the playoffs and go to the SB.  -- 2022, ? 

 

Home field advantage in playoffs (this season being an outlier) has been shown to be a significant advantage over the years.   Hopefully next year Bills win the Jax games of the world and get the Chefs at home.  

No comparison at all because that team had HOF players beyond just a great QB which Allen is.  Maybe Diggs & White could be in that category

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48 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said:

'87  Miss the playoffs, but tons of promise, compared to '19 Miss the playoffs but tons of promise

'88  Kill it, go 12-4, lightning fast offense, but don't have home field, lose AFC Title away frostbite game to Bengals , compared to '20, Kill it, go 13-3, but again lose home field & lose to Chiefs away 

'89  Go 9-7, sneak in as AFC Champs, but seeding is low and lose "The Drop" game to Browns away, compared to '21 , stumble in to AFCE title, but lose away in Divisional round

 

1990, Kill it, finally get home field advantage throughout the playoffs and go to the SB.  -- 2022, ? 

 

Home field advantage in playoffs (this season being an outlier) has been shown to be a significant advantage over the years.   Hopefully next year Bills win the Jax games of the world and get the Chefs at home.  

Just a note....Bills made playoffs in 2019 and lost in WC round to Houston in OT.  

 

And 1988 Bills were about D as ranked 3rd.  No Lofton or Beebe yet.  Did not run No huddle until playoff game in 1989. The Bengals ran hurry up and Marv protested against it btw.  

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50 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

No comparison at all because that team had HOF players beyond just a great QB which Allen is.  Maybe Diggs & White could be in that category

Well, back in those years none of the future HOFers  were yet.  By '90 only Bruce could have been considered for such accomplishment

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Any comparison to what has happened in the past to what has already happened recently is fine. It makes for good discussion.  But projecting anything in the future is silly.  Football is too unpredictable.  Injuries, roster & coaching changes,  turnovers...losing a sure W with 13 seconds remaining...   No one can say because X happened in the past, Y is likely to happen in the future. 

 

The show GET UP this morning on ESPN had a segment on the Bills.  Basically said we blew our best chance to win a Super Bowl.  Chiefs are now an overwhelming favorite.  

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This team isn't going anywhere for quite a while barring any bad injuries to Josh & who knows IF Mitch would decide to stick for another year he would be the best security blanket the Bills have had at back up in a long time !

 

McD like Josh seems to learn from his mistakes & going forward how could you not remember this game & what transpired & the lessons that have came with it i think it will only make him a better coach .

 

Beane will continue to do his thing & bring in those pieces of the puzzle for the coaching staff to work with each year & i think the Bills will be a main stay in the play off hunt for years to come & given the experience that they all will learn together one day could be the beast of the east like our old rival the Pats .

 

Things have never looked better moving forward for the Bills and although this year sucked the way it ended it just gets me that much more stoked to see what they do coming into next year ...

 

GO BILLS !! 

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1 hour ago, Ray Stonada said:


Well Thurman did burn up the league in 1990, and it was pretty clear he was a meteoric star with HOF potential. The next year, he was NFL MVP. 

Right, before 90 we didn't know, also we don't know now who or if someone in the roster or in this year draft can be or develop into a great player, some says Rousseau (i don't really like him, but who knows)

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I don’t find these types of comparisons interesting or relevant at all. It’s living in the past, and the league is different now. There’s also not a predictable trajectory of a team that indicates future outcomes. An opportunity lost is just lost, and absolutely nothing that put the Bills in that spot ( chance to host AFC title game, few injuries , elite QBs out of the playoffs , #1 seeds losing etc) is guaranteed in 2022. They’re starting all over again and may never get as good a look at a Super Bow berth. 

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5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Davis & Knox sure look like they could get there.

 

Poyer's not Elite?  Hyde?  Milano?

 

This was Spencer Brown's first year at RT and he's a physical specimen.

Poyer and Hyde are both in 30's Please show me the big plays Milano has made in the playoffs and against the Chiefs.  ZERO... 

6 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Those players became HOF players after great careers and 4 straight Super Bowls.

 

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Folks, what happened in the past to this franchise has absolutely nothing to do with what may or may not happen in the future.

 

And you are injecting a lot of bias into your analysis anyway, as you search for similarities in your comparison.

 

You could equally present a line of facts showing how the old SB Bills and the current team are absolutely nothing alike.

 

I mean, why not start a thread discussing how and why the Earth is flat?
 

It's about as relevant.

 

And lastly, GET OFF MY LAWN! 

 

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33 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

Poyer and Hyde are both in 30's Please show me the big plays Milano has made in the playoffs and against the Chiefs.  ZERO... 

 

Agree about individual players. 

 

Elite: Allen, Diggs, Tre

Very Very good: Hyde, Poyer, Milano

Good to very good: Ed, Tremaine, Dawkins, Morse, Knox

 

Then a plethora of good players.  

 

However, I'd grade less by individual and more by player groupings or what teams need to scheme against.

 

Elite: Passing game, Def Backs

Very very good: Off Weapons, S/T

Good to very good: OL (down the stretch)

 

We lack a consistent pass rush, and are not a physical defense.  Those are 2 traits that typically lead to success, but we've relied on our elite secondary.  Our defensive numbers are inflated by a few factors: playing poor offenses/backup QBs, weather impacts, and our offenses ability to maintain drives and keep our defense off the field.

 

Going into next year, it's clear we have to improve our pass rush.  Not easy to find Elite talent.  But it is easier to become a more physical defense, more of those players available and scheme will dictate too.  Big reason I think we need to move on from Frazier, and try a different approach. Hopefully front office is honestly assessing this and can make the tough decisions needed.

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Just now, MasterStrategist said:

Agree about individual players. 

 

Elite: Allen, Diggs, Tre

Very Very good: Hyde, Poyer, Milano

Good to very good: Ed, Tremaine, Dawkins, Morse, Knox

 

Then a plethora of good players.  

 

However, I'd grade less by individual and more by player groupings or what teams need to scheme against.

 

Elite: Passing game, Def Backs

Very very good: Off Weapons, S/T

Good to very good: OL (down the stretch)

 

We lack a consistent pass rush, and are not a physical defense.  Those are 2 traits that typically lead to success, but we've relied on our elite secondary.  Our defensive numbers are inflated by a few factors: playing poor offenses/backup QBs, weather impacts, and our offenses ability to maintain drives and keep our defense off the field.

 

Going into next year, it's clear we have to improve our pass rush.  Not easy to find Elite talent.  But it is easier to become a more physical defense, more of those players available and scheme will dictate too.  Big reason I think we need to move on from Frazier, and try a different approach. Hopefully front office is honestly assessing this and can make the tough decisions needed.

I would say Hyde/Poyer /Milano are good but not very very good

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