ProcessTruster Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 '87 Miss the playoffs, but tons of promise, compared to '19 Miss the playoffs but tons of promise '88 Kill it, go 12-4, lightning fast offense, but don't have home field, lose AFC Title away frostbite game to Bengals , compared to '20, Kill it, go 13-3, but again lose home field & lose to Chiefs away '89 Go 9-7, sneak in as AFC Champs, but seeding is low and lose "The Drop" game to Browns away, compared to '21 , stumble in to AFCE title, but lose away in Divisional round 1990, Kill it, finally get home field advantage throughout the playoffs and go to the SB. -- 2022, ? Home field advantage in playoffs (this season being an outlier) has been shown to be a significant advantage over the years. Hopefully next year Bills win the Jax games of the world and get the Chefs at home. 3 2 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 This is the 6th thread by my count on this subject. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted January 26, 2022 Author Share Posted January 26, 2022 Apologies. I should have searched for the others. Feel free to close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 41 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: '87 Miss the playoffs, but tons of promise, compared to '19 Miss the playoffs but tons of promise '88 Kill it, go 12-4, lightning fast offense, but don't have home field, lose AFC Title away frostbite game to Bengals , compared to '20, Kill it, go 13-3, but again lose home field & lose to Chiefs away '89 Go 9-7, sneak in as AFC Champs, but seeding is low and lose "The Drop" game to Browns away, compared to '21 , stumble in to AFCE title, but lose away in Divisional round 1990, Kill it, finally get home field advantage throughout the playoffs and go to the SB. -- 2022, ? Home field advantage in playoffs (this season being an outlier) has been shown to be a significant advantage over the years. Hopefully next year Bills win the Jax games of the world and get the Chefs at home. No comparison at all because that team had HOF players beyond just a great QB which Allen is. Maybe Diggs & White could be in that category 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: '87 Miss the playoffs, but tons of promise, compared to '19 Miss the playoffs but tons of promise '88 Kill it, go 12-4, lightning fast offense, but don't have home field, lose AFC Title away frostbite game to Bengals , compared to '20, Kill it, go 13-3, but again lose home field & lose to Chiefs away '89 Go 9-7, sneak in as AFC Champs, but seeding is low and lose "The Drop" game to Browns away, compared to '21 , stumble in to AFCE title, but lose away in Divisional round 1990, Kill it, finally get home field advantage throughout the playoffs and go to the SB. -- 2022, ? Home field advantage in playoffs (this season being an outlier) has been shown to be a significant advantage over the years. Hopefully next year Bills win the Jax games of the world and get the Chefs at home. Just a note....Bills made playoffs in 2019 and lost in WC round to Houston in OT. And 1988 Bills were about D as ranked 3rd. No Lofton or Beebe yet. Did not run No huddle until playoff game in 1989. The Bengals ran hurry up and Marv protested against it btw. Edited January 26, 2022 by freddyjj 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddicksTDLeap Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I’ve been saying this to the non-Bills fans on my life. I think the comparison is incredibly accurate. This is a young team driven by a young coaching staff, now with and even bigger chip on their shoulders. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poblano Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 50 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: No comparison at all because that team had HOF players beyond just a great QB which Allen is. Maybe Diggs & White could be in that category Well, back in those years none of the future HOFers were yet. By '90 only Bruce could have been considered for such accomplishment 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 I mean the common thread is that was a talented young team that was right there but hadn't broken through into a Superbowl yet. That comparison can be made. But as for anything else, that is kinda coincidence really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Any comparison to what has happened in the past to what has already happened recently is fine. It makes for good discussion. But projecting anything in the future is silly. Football is too unpredictable. Injuries, roster & coaching changes, turnovers...losing a sure W with 13 seconds remaining... No one can say because X happened in the past, Y is likely to happen in the future. The show GET UP this morning on ESPN had a segment on the Bills. Basically said we blew our best chance to win a Super Bowl. Chiefs are now an overwhelming favorite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 This team isn't going anywhere for quite a while barring any bad injuries to Josh & who knows IF Mitch would decide to stick for another year he would be the best security blanket the Bills have had at back up in a long time ! McD like Josh seems to learn from his mistakes & going forward how could you not remember this game & what transpired & the lessons that have came with it i think it will only make him a better coach . Beane will continue to do his thing & bring in those pieces of the puzzle for the coaching staff to work with each year & i think the Bills will be a main stay in the play off hunt for years to come & given the experience that they all will learn together one day could be the beast of the east like our old rival the Pats . Things have never looked better moving forward for the Bills and although this year sucked the way it ended it just gets me that much more stoked to see what they do coming into next year ... GO BILLS !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 This has been discussed ad nauseum now starting with me 5 months ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 10 minutes ago, Big Turk said: This has been discussed ad nauseum now starting with me 5 months ago get ready for the upcoming threads that 22 is 1990 all over again! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 52 minutes ago, poblano said: Well, back in those years none of the future HOFers were yet. By '90 only Bruce could have been considered for such accomplishment Other than maybe Diggs & White, no elite talent players beyond Allen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philly McButterpants Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 Please stop with this - this is as stupid as Pat*s fans crowing about how Macorkle is the second coming of TB12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Other than maybe Diggs & White, no elite talent players beyond Allen I think when healthy Dawkins can put himself in that mix 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, Big Turk said: I think when healthy Dawkins can put himself in that mix I was thinking about him and who knows if Knox excels at a high level in next couple of seasons. They just seem to break missing high level talent on defensive side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poblano Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 20 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Other than maybe Diggs & White, no elite talent players beyond Allen There's no doubt about that, but on the '90 team we don't have a clue how Thomas would develop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stonada Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 minute ago, poblano said: There's no doubt about that, but on the '90 team we don't have a clue how Thomas would develop. Well Thurman did burn up the league in 1990, and it was pretty clear he was a meteoric star with HOF potential. The next year, he was NFL MVP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poblano Posted January 26, 2022 Share Posted January 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Ray Stonada said: Well Thurman did burn up the league in 1990, and it was pretty clear he was a meteoric star with HOF potential. The next year, he was NFL MVP. Right, before 90 we didn't know, also we don't know now who or if someone in the roster or in this year draft can be or develop into a great player, some says Rousseau (i don't really like him, but who knows) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 On 1/26/2022 at 3:15 AM, Niagara Dude said: No comparison at all because that team had HOF players beyond just a great QB which Allen is. Maybe Diggs & White could be in that category Those players became HOF players after great careers and 4 straight Super Bowls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 I don’t find these types of comparisons interesting or relevant at all. It’s living in the past, and the league is different now. There’s also not a predictable trajectory of a team that indicates future outcomes. An opportunity lost is just lost, and absolutely nothing that put the Bills in that spot ( chance to host AFC title game, few injuries , elite QBs out of the playoffs , #1 seeds losing etc) is guaranteed in 2022. They’re starting all over again and may never get as good a look at a Super Bow berth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 On 1/26/2022 at 5:02 AM, Niagara Dude said: Other than maybe Diggs & White, no elite talent players beyond Allen Davis & Knox sure look like they could get there. Poyer's not Elite? Hyde? Milano? This was Spencer Brown's first year at RT and he's a physical specimen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helpmenow Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 Who is rob riddick on the current team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 5 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Davis & Knox sure look like they could get there. Poyer's not Elite? Hyde? Milano? This was Spencer Brown's first year at RT and he's a physical specimen. Poyer and Hyde are both in 30's Please show me the big plays Milano has made in the playoffs and against the Chiefs. ZERO... 6 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: Those players became HOF players after great careers and 4 straight Super Bowls. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Folks, what happened in the past to this franchise has absolutely nothing to do with what may or may not happen in the future. And you are injecting a lot of bias into your analysis anyway, as you search for similarities in your comparison. You could equally present a line of facts showing how the old SB Bills and the current team are absolutely nothing alike. I mean, why not start a thread discussing how and why the Earth is flat? It's about as relevant. And lastly, GET OFF MY LAWN! ✌️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 33 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: Poyer and Hyde are both in 30's Please show me the big plays Milano has made in the playoffs and against the Chiefs. ZERO... Agree about individual players. Elite: Allen, Diggs, Tre Very Very good: Hyde, Poyer, Milano Good to very good: Ed, Tremaine, Dawkins, Morse, Knox Then a plethora of good players. However, I'd grade less by individual and more by player groupings or what teams need to scheme against. Elite: Passing game, Def Backs Very very good: Off Weapons, S/T Good to very good: OL (down the stretch) We lack a consistent pass rush, and are not a physical defense. Those are 2 traits that typically lead to success, but we've relied on our elite secondary. Our defensive numbers are inflated by a few factors: playing poor offenses/backup QBs, weather impacts, and our offenses ability to maintain drives and keep our defense off the field. Going into next year, it's clear we have to improve our pass rush. Not easy to find Elite talent. But it is easier to become a more physical defense, more of those players available and scheme will dictate too. Big reason I think we need to move on from Frazier, and try a different approach. Hopefully front office is honestly assessing this and can make the tough decisions needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 Just now, MasterStrategist said: Agree about individual players. Elite: Allen, Diggs, Tre Very Very good: Hyde, Poyer, Milano Good to very good: Ed, Tremaine, Dawkins, Morse, Knox Then a plethora of good players. However, I'd grade less by individual and more by player groupings or what teams need to scheme against. Elite: Passing game, Def Backs Very very good: Off Weapons, S/T Good to very good: OL (down the stretch) We lack a consistent pass rush, and are not a physical defense. Those are 2 traits that typically lead to success, but we've relied on our elite secondary. Our defensive numbers are inflated by a few factors: playing poor offenses/backup QBs, weather impacts, and our offenses ability to maintain drives and keep our defense off the field. Going into next year, it's clear we have to improve our pass rush. Not easy to find Elite talent. But it is easier to become a more physical defense, more of those players available and scheme will dictate too. Big reason I think we need to move on from Frazier, and try a different approach. Hopefully front office is honestly assessing this and can make the tough decisions needed. I would say Hyde/Poyer /Milano are good but not very very good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 25 minutes ago, RunJoshRun said: Are you the police?? If a subject comes to mind for poster let him write it without silly comments. Not everyone logs previous posts like you - lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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