Interesting way to describe Josh Allen - High floor - High Ceiling

[BuffaloBill]

Josh Allen ranked 7th best NFL QB

 

No doubt when Josh Allen is on his game the Bills are nearly impossible to beat. When he is “off” i’s still maddening because his “off game” will still be better than many starting QB’s “on” games.

 

With time, I really believe this situation will smooth out. Let’s hope JA plays very close to the ceiling for the remainder of the season.

[Big Turk]

Allen is too low. Top 5 easily.

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

Allen is too low. Top 5 easily.

He has the ability to, but needs to play better in weather.   Our horrific slate of bad weather home games this year have distorted some people’s view of him.  Especially those that just go by numbers absent context.  
 

He’s absolutely Top 5, (Top 3 IMO) even with the meh weather games, but it’s time for him to take over one of these games from start to finish when everyone else is struggling with the elements.  

[CincyBillsFan]

17 minutes ago, SCBills said:

He has the ability to, but needs to play better in weather.   Our horrific slate of bad weather home games this year have distorted some people’s view of him.  Especially those that just go by numbers absent context.  
 

He’s absolutely Top 5, (Top 3 IMO) even with the meh weather games, but it’s time for him to take over one of these games from start to finish when everyone else is struggling with the elements.  

Allen's play in bad weather reminds of the joke told about two hikers encountering a bear and as they take off running they realize that they don't have to out run the bear they only have to outrun the other guy.  In bad weather games Allen only needs to outplay the other QB.

 

 

[Big Turk]

21 minutes ago, SCBills said:

He has the ability to, but needs to play better in weather.   Our horrific slate of bad weather home games this year have distorted some people’s view of him.  Especially those that just go by numbers absent context.  
 

He’s absolutely Top 5, (Top 3 IMO) even with the meh weather games, but it’s time for him to take over one of these games from start to finish when everyone else is struggling with the elements.  

 

It'd be interesting to see how other QBs would fare if they played in as many weather games as Allen has...

 

Green Bay gets cold but they don't get the snow or wind that we do and most of the other QBs above him are on good weather teams.

 

Say whatever you want but he might be at the largest disadvantage in comparison to other QBs

Edited January 8, 2022 by Big Turk

[LABILLBACKER]

When Rodgers & Brady retire, Josh will be a top 5 qb for 12+ years. He will win both an MVP and a SB.  Absolutely no doubt in my mind.

[SCBills]

8 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Allen's play in bad weather reminds of the joke told about two hikers encountering a bear and as they take off running they realize that they don't have to out run the bear they only have to outrun the other guy.  In bad weather games Allen only needs to outplay the other QB.

 

 

Oh, I’d agree for the most part.   However, in relation to the stupid low ranking (7) of Allen in this thread, the abundance of bad weather games is likely the main culprit. 

 

Edited January 8, 2022 by SCBills

[strive_for_five_guy]

29 minutes ago, SCBills said:

He has the ability to, but needs to play better in weather.   Our horrific slate of bad weather home games this year have distorted some people’s view of him.  Especially those that just go by numbers absent context.  
 

He’s absolutely Top 5, (Top 3 IMO) even with the meh weather games, but it’s time for him to take over one of these games from start to finish when everyone else is struggling with the elements.  

I love Josh, and do think the order of the Top 7 in this list is debatable.  Who do you include in your top 3 with Josh?

[Big Turk]

11 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Allen's play in bad weather reminds of the joke told about two hikers encountering a bear and as they take off running they realize that they don't have to out run the bear they only have to outrun the other guy.  In bad weather games Allen only needs to outplay the other QB.

 

 

 

Not that hard when the opponent throws 3 passes

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

I love Josh, and do think the order of the Top 7 in this list is debatable.  Who do you include in your top 3 with Josh?

Rodgers at 1 and then Mahomes or Allen at 2/3.  Probably have to give Mahomes the edge with his early career accolades.  Allen can certainly change that this postseason.  
 

Burrow, Herbert and Brady in the next level at 4, 5 and 6. 

Then a steep drop off to the next group.  
 

Edited January 8, 2022 by SCBills

[TH3]

44 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

Josh Allen ranked 7th best NFL QB

 

No doubt when Josh Allen is on his game the Bills are nearly impossible to beat. When he is “off” i’s still maddening because his “off game” will still be better than many starting QB’s “on” games.

 

With time, I really believe this situation will smooth out. Let’s hope JA plays very close to the ceiling for the remainder of the season.

Somehow JA off games get way more noticed than others….

 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Other than Rodgers I think you can make a case for 2-7 in what ever order you want. The QB play this year has been very erratic and everyone 2-7 has been playing around the same level. The one exception I might make is Murray. I could see him being firmly #7 and the others could go anywhere from 2 to 6.  

 

Derek Carr, 12 fumbles?? Yikes. 

 

And Murray with 13 fumbles in only 13 games?

 

Mahomes has 9 fumbles.

 

Allen only has 8 fumbles on the season and probably has more carries then the three combined. Hopefully the talking heads stop talking about Allen's fumbling issues. 

Edited January 8, 2022 by Sammy Watkins' Rib

[Brand J]

Allen’s highs are being *expected* now due to his talent and arm ability, while his lows - like the game against the Jaguars - leaves people scratching their heads. The inconsistencies (or rollercoaster as some have labeled it) is why he’s not always getting the respect he deserves. The failure to win close games this season is another. As great as he is, there’s still plenty of room for Josh to elevate his play and that mostly comes down to raising his floor level performances.

[Westside Madness]

A lot of rankings dropped him a few spots after the INT fiesta last week. In many cases he was around 5 prior to that.

[NewEra]

Any list that has Kyler Murray ahead of Josh should be discarded immediately 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

7th is ridiculously low. I would take Allen over Burrow, Herbert, and Murray. He is no lower than top 4 and on any week he can outplay all of them.  I'm a little disappointed in the interception totals but he has cleaned up the fumbles this year.

If he stays calm and just takes what defense gives him, he is unstoppable. 

[GoBills808]

36 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

I love Josh, and do think the order of the Top 7 in this list is debatable.  Who do you include in your top 3 with Josh?

It goes Rodgers Allen Mahomes

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Any list that has Kyler Murray ahead of Josh should be discarded immediately 

Correct

[GunnerBill]

Rodgers

Mahomes

Allen

Brady

Burrow 

Herbert

 

I am not even sure I'd have Murray 7th tbh. You have Russell Wilson who has a strange year with being hurt and all but who when right probably makes that top 6 a top 7. Murray is in that next batch with Jackson and Prescott and Stafford and maybe Carr. 

[MJS]

I've looked at the list a few times this year. It has been a complete joke all year, and not just because Allen has been ranked too low. There are numerous issues with it, too many to even list.

 

Greg Rosenthal is one of those football nerds who just likes to hear the sound of his own voice, and he has been down on Allen for his entire career. It must be frustrating for him.

Edited January 8, 2022 by MJS

[Albany,n.y.]

1 hour ago, Big Turk said:

 

It'd be interesting to see how other QBs would fare if they played in as many weather games as Allen has...

 

Green Bay gets cold but they don't get the snow or wind that we do and most of the other QBs above him are on good weather teams.

 

Say whatever you want but he might be at the largest disadvantage in comparison to other QBs

This is a lot like when Dan Marino's & Jim Kelly's stats were compared.  Marino looked better on paper but Kelly was the one winning the AFC over Marino every time.  The only time Marino won the AFC was when Kelly was in the USFL.  

42 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

Allen’s highs are being *expected* now due to his talent and arm ability, while his lows - like the game against the Jaguars - leaves people scratching their heads. The inconsistencies (or rollercoaster as some have labeled it) is why he’s not always getting the respect he deserves. The failure to win close games this season is another. As great as he is, there’s still plenty of room for Josh to elevate his play and that mostly comes down to raising his floor level performances.

The inconsitencies have been due to all the O-line shuffling.  How many of the other QBs have had to put up with that this season?  Every time the line has looked set someone either gets hurt, gets Covid or both.  Then Cody Ford comes in and does his turnstile imitation.