Lil’ Dirty game MVP

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, BearNorth said:

Beasley has a dead cap hit of $8.4MM as he's under contract through next season, so he's not going anywhere.  

 

That is incorrect.

 

Beasley has a $7.6M cap hit in 2022.......but that becomes only a $1.5M dead cap if released after this season but prior to the start of the new league year.

 

Given the distraction he's been........and yes, you likely don't run up around $100k in protocol violation fines without irritating management.........and his ghastly ypc production this year...........I'd say it's better than 50/50 he's slated for dismissal soon after the season.

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

Shouldn't Isaiah share the Game MVP thing with Cole?

After all, but for Cole's continuing idiocy Isaiah would have been given one jet sweep and one screen pass.

Cole, keep up the good work!

[aristocrat]

Welker got Wall Pipp'd by Edelman that was caught on live tv and Edelman went on to super bowl mvp and 3 rings I think. Bease might have just done that to himself

[bmur66]

Not taking anything away from McKenzie but I think Beasley could have had just as good of a game. We are lucky to have them both pushing each other.

Edited December 27, 2021 by bmur66

[starrymessenger]

If Beas is 100% he’s absolutely a top slot WR and playmaker and a crucial cog in the O machine. Thing is I don’t think I’ve seen that guy all year (when he sees the field). Is it the injury? Has he lost a step? 
Regardless Isaiah needs to see the field more, as many have said. He has great chemistry with Josh. Daboll needs to find ways for him, which he should be able to do.

Edited December 27, 2021 by starrymessenger

[HappyDays]

 

Beasley isn't as effective on these routes this year. He has lost a step. Given how well Allen throws to these routes I would keep McKenzie as the starter the rest of the year.

Edited December 27, 2021 by HappyDays

[Paul Costa]

4 hours ago, bmur66 said:

Not taking anything away from McKenzie but I think Beasley could have had just as good of a game. We are lucky to have them both pushing each other.

Not sure if Beasley can take that volume at this point of the year. Earlier in the year I’d agree. McKenzie gave us some big plays out of the slot that seem to be less and less as the season has progressed. The combination of the two going forward should be a big boost. Less is more for Beasley so to speak. 

[Mikie2times]

I know it's getting frustrating with the Beasley threads. Exclude him from the conversation then. McKenzie is the best YAC WR on this team in short spaces and the best jet sweep/reverse WR on this team. Despite his small size, he is not easy to tackle and he is exceptionally quick. We really don't have another player like him. Since he gives us a dimension we really don't have, yes, I would love to see him used more and brought back next season. 

[LyndonvilleBill]

Was just watching the replay of the Lil Dirty TD catch. What a dart by Josh. Almost looks like it was so hard that it knocked McKenzie back to his left as it hit him in the shoulder.  LMAO..

[Heathcliff]

9 hours ago, BearNorth said:

Beasley has a dead cap hit of $8.4MM as he's under contract through next season, so he's not going anywhere.  Sanders is on a one year.  I feel a little better about our OL after yesterday, wondering if there's not a sub 4.3 wide out available that will keep defenses honest [modern day Beebe equivalent].  I shudder to think with Josh's arm if he had a wideout with Tyriek type speed what would happen.

Stand up Mr. Stevenson, yes you…..

[BrainwashedBillsFan]

10 hours ago, Beerball said:

Lil Dirty is the new Juice in Buffalo. If he never replicates that performance it will still live long in Bills lore.

 

On one hand I wonder what could have made McD sit such a beloved (to his teammates) player. I also marvel that McD has built a culture where such a thing is an afterthought. People continue to do their job.

It’s because we pay starting money to start Beasley not McKenzie. It’s just silly that our coaches either can’t evaluate the talent or they choose not to due to the amount of money Beasley makes over McKenzie. But this happened last year as well. Kenzie came in and had 2 tds and looked like the better player. I would bet, depending on his contract and all that, Beasley will be gone if it works financially for the Bills. 

[Augie]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Beasley isn't as effective on these routes this year. He has lost a step. Given how well Allen throws to these routes I would keep McKenzie as the starter the rest of the year.

 

I feel like Beasley earns his money sitting on the holes of zone coverage as Josh’s safety valve, and McKenzie offers the speed to run these routes. Both roles are important, and I’ll trust the FO to make the right calls. Whatever they do with these guys, WR will need some attention before next year.  

[SydneyBillsFan]

Who would have predicted that he would have 11 receptions from 12 targets?

 

That is a fantastic return from a part-time wide receiver.

[Warcodered]

 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

On 12/27/2021 at 7:22 PM, BrainwashedBillsFan said:

It’s because we pay starting money to start Beasley not McKenzie. It’s just silly that our coaches either can’t evaluate the talent or they choose not to due to the amount of money Beasley makes over McKenzie. But this happened last year as well. Kenzie came in and had 2 tds and looked like the better player. I would bet, depending on his contract and all that, Beasley will be gone if it works financially for the Bills. 

Beasley probably would’ve commanded more defensive attention than McKenzie did…freeing someone else up which is also valuable.  Belichick underestimated McKenzie badly…thought he could man him up with a backup slot corner 

Edited December 29, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[JoshAllin]

On 12/27/2021 at 8:27 AM, Paul Costa said:

. So what happens if and when Beasley comes back. Can Lil’  dirty get some snaps from Beasley? 

They should put Beasley back in and unleash Mckenzie again come playoff time with as little game film on him

[Paul Costa]

McKenzie put himself on the FA map with that game. Someone’s going to offer him some decent money  💰 in the off season . Reminds me of Goodwin a few years back. We all killed him on here . He’s made of porcelain etc… and SF pays him like 7M per. 

[LABILLBACKER]

On 12/27/2021 at 8:58 AM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

That is incorrect.

 

Beasley has a $7.6M cap hit in 2022.......but that becomes only a $1.5M dead cap if released after this season but prior to the start of the new league year.

 

Given the distraction he's been........and yes, you likely don't run up around $100k in protocol violation fines without irritating management.........and his ghastly ypc production this year...........I'd say it's better than 50/50 he's slated for dismissal soon after the season.

 

 

Totally agree. Love what Cole has meant to this team, but it's time to go younger and probably cheaper for similar production. Isaiah got one big chance last year and scored 2 tds. Last week he deserved the game ball. I will be shocked to see Beasley and Sanders back next year. Time to let Stevenson be FT returner and Isaiah as FT Slot.

[BADOLBILZ]

38 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Totally agree. Love what Cole has meant to this team, but it's time to go younger and probably cheaper for similar production. Isaiah got one big chance last year and scored 2 tds. Last week he deserved the game ball. I will be shocked to see Beasley and Sanders back next year. Time to let Stevenson be FT returner and Isaiah as FT Slot.

 

 

McKenzie will be a free agent again.    I'm not sure how he'd hold up as a regular slot receiver.    He got hurt about 5 different times in the NE game.   He's fast but small and kinda' clumsy.

 

Receiver is a real need for 2022.

[Warcodered]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

McKenzie will be a free agent again.    I'm not sure how he'd hold up as a regular slot receiver.    He got hurt about 5 different times in the NE game.   He's fast but small and kinda' clumsy.

 

Receiver is a real need for 2022.

All I remember was him getting the wind knocked out of him once when he landed on the ball.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

10 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

All I remember was him getting the wind knocked out of him once when he landed on the ball.

 

 

McKenzie hung on to the ball and did a frontside plant on the turf, winded himself for a first down

 

Kumerow put a forearm down to break his fall and lost the TD

 

On 12/27/2021 at 10:49 AM, 716er said:

Who was the CB McKenzie climbed over to make that incredible 4th quarter catch? Looked like a 5'8" AJ Green on that play.

 

LOL he says he can dunk

 

It's not inconceivable, so can Beasley

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 12/27/2021 at 8:38 AM, The Firebaugh Kid said:

I've been screaming it all year, where is 19? Dude is electric. He belongs on KR/PR too. 

 

I just watched Cover1's Film Room on the Pats game.

 

They commented, and you could really see - where there were times McKenzie made a reception and turned on the afterburners to gain those extra YAC.  Beasley would have made a good catch and gotten a few yards.

 

 

On 12/27/2021 at 10:49 AM, 716er said:

Who was the CB McKenzie climbed over to make that incredible 4th quarter catch? Looked like a 5'8" AJ Green on that play.

 

Kyle Duggar

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 12/27/2021 at 10:58 AM, BADOLBILZ said:

That is incorrect.

 

Beasley has a $7.6M cap hit in 2022.......but that becomes only a $1.5M dead cap if released after this season but prior to the start of the new league year.

 

Given the distraction he's been........and yes, you likely don't run up around $100k in protocol violation fines without irritating management.........and his ghastly ypc production this year...........I'd say it's better than 50/50 he's slated for dismissal soon after the season.

 

Badol has it right.  Beasley received substantial guaranteed money when he signed here, including his first 2 years salary and part of this year's salary.

But per Overthecap he has no guaranteed salary next season, and only $1.5M in amortized signing bonus that would be charged to 2022.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 12/27/2021 at 9:48 AM, Captain_Quint said:

I was shocked that Belichek didn't adjust at halftime and start sending more pressure. He played it this way last year too, and we swept them. 

 

I think the problem with his philosophy is that it doesn't account for how good of a thrower Josh has become in the last two years. Typically, Belichek takes away the most dangerous weapon of the opposing offense and makes someone else beat them. He's been successful containing Josh in the pocket, but it doesn't account for him throwing the ball all over the field. 

Their approach is fundamentally flawed and he's going to have to go back to the drawing board on how to try to defend us going forward.

 

You might enjoy watching the Cover1 Film room thing. 

 

One of the points they made - and they were persuasive in illustrating them - is that the Patriots often did have a sound defensive call, and in fact "won the play" with their coverage and pressure. 

 

Then Josh happened.  Sidearm deliveries around a leaping LB in his face, making a jump throw, forcing the defender to move up to defend against a possible QB run then passing over his head or just making a ridiculous pinpoint throw, that incredible juke for the big run gain on 4th down, etc etc.

 

Just clipboard-throwing "that f****** guy!" stuff

 

Other times of course, their coverage was inexplicable.  For example, initially they just didn't bother to cover McKenzie or Singletary - partly wagering on Josh simply not taking these throws, which, if it's a tendency I can see, Bellycheat can most certainly see.  But after Josh in fact took those throws and took them promptly so they went for a good gain, you'd have thought they might have made an adjustment.

 

Or not - maybe it was outsmarting himself with what normally works.  "So that lil' guy caught a couple, we're not going to shift coverage to him and leave Diggs or Sanders open, that's exactly what the Bills want.  He's the backup, he was even benched when we played them before, it's not like he's not gonna keep making those catches."

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 12/27/2021 at 8:42 AM, No Place To Hyde said:

The issue with these micro sized slot guys as that they are constantly dinged up. Opportunities will present themselves for both to see snaps the rest of the year.

 

The issue with Beasley is he stays on the field when he's dinged up, and the Bills training staff and coaches OK this.

 

So McKenzie seldom or never gets his chance.  Just in the final game last year.

 

 

[Captain_Quint]

10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You might enjoy watching the Cover1 Film room thing. 

 

One of the points they made - and they were persuasive in illustrating them - is that the Patriots often did have a sound defensive call, and in fact "won the play" with their coverage and pressure. 

 

Then Josh happened.  Sidearm deliveries around a leaping LB in his face, making a jump throw, forcing the defender to move up to defend against a possible QB run then passing over his head or just making a ridiculous pinpoint throw, that incredible juke for the big run gain on 4th down, etc etc.

 

Just clipboard-throwing "that f****** guy!" stuff

 

Other times of course, their coverage was inexplicable.  For example, initially they just didn't bother to cover McKenzie or Singletary - partly wagering on Josh simply not taking these throws, which, if it's a tendency I can see, Bellycheat can most certainly see.  But after Josh in fact took those throws and took them promptly so they went for a good gain, you'd have thought they might have made an adjustment.

 

Or not - maybe it was outsmarting himself with what normally works.  "So that lil' guy caught a couple, we're not going to shift coverage to him and leave Diggs or Sanders open, that's exactly what the Bills want.  He's the backup, he was even benched when we played them before, it's not like he's not gonna keep making those catches."

 

 

Yeah that was interesting to see those throws he made slowed way down. Jaw dropping, really. It seems that Belichek was trying to keep up, but Josh was on fire.

 

It also showed what a great game Singletary had. Didn't try to do too much, but when he got the ball he moved with a purpose. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

49 minutes ago, Captain_Quint said:

Yeah that was interesting to see those throws he made slowed way down. Jaw dropping, really. It seems that Belichek was trying to keep up, but Josh was on fire.

 

It also showed what a great game Singletary had. Didn't try to do too much, but when he got the ball he moved with a purpose. 

 

Yeah, that was a great run.  FredEx worthy

[Paul Costa]

Seems like McKenzie was getting open much farther down field than Beasley normally does. McKenzie caught a few quick hitters but there were 3 or 4 that went for 20+ yards. The one incompletion to him was an example.