hondo in seattle Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) Back in March, I started a topic: "I'm Not Sure We Will Repeat as AFCE Champs" I was concerned about a few things including our poor OL and lack of a running attack. And while a few brave souls agreed with me, I was assaulted by the mob. My football wisdom was doubted. My intellect insulted. My manhood questioned. Worst of all, I even had my Bills Mafia membership card revoked! https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/231992-not-sure-we-will-repeat-as-afce-champs/ Yet today I read that the suicide hotline in Buffalo is experiencing a spike in calls while fans want McDermott, Daboll, and every other Bills coach drawn and quartered - and then fired. I hated watching the Pats beat us last night but I'm not pulling my hair out. I never shared the Super Bowl expectations of my Mafia brothers and sisters (if I can still claim a familial relationship after being expelled from the club). I just never believed this roster was good enough. And, look, I'm not knocking Beane. Today's roster is better than the one he inherited. But he - clearly - has more work to do before the Bills can make a Super Bowl run. Edited December 7, 2021 by hondo in seattle 3 2 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 I agree. Never properly addressed the O Line or for that matter front 7 on defense. Now Morse is ancient and we have no real guards. Going for RBs in the 3rd hasn't worked and with a weak O Line we have no run game. Edmunds has great games and games like yesterday where Belichek can make him into a non-entity, as he has in the past. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said: Back in March, I started a topic: "I'm Not Sure We Will Repeat as AFCE Champs" I was concerned about a few things including our poor OL and lack of a running attack. And while a few brave souls agreed with me, I was assaulted by the mob. My football wisdom was doubted. My intellect insulted. My manhood questioned. Worst of all, I even had my Bills Mafia membership card revoked! https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/231992-not-sure-we-will-repeat-as-afce-champs/ Yet today I read that the suicide hotline in Buffalo is experiencing a spike in calls while fans want McDermott, Daboll, and every other Bills coach drawn and quartered - and then fired. I hated watching the Pats beat us last night but I'm not pulling my hair out. I never shared the Super Bowl expectations of my Mafia brothers and sisters (if I can still claim a familial relationship after being expelled from the club). I just never believed this roster was good enough. And, look, I'm not knocking Beane. Today's roster is better than the one he inherited. But he - clearly - has more work to do before the Bills can make a Super Bowl run. Knock him. Past success doesn’t allow free passes in the present. I love Beane. I don’t want him (or McD) fired. Yet his decisions along the DL, OL and RB position during his tenure have kept us from winning a SB (last year and looks worse this year). He chose this IOL. They can’t open any holes in the run game. He chose the RBs that aren’t decisive (and talented) enough to be productive behind this OL. He paid the DL big bucks to be an average DL (which led to our OL being somewhat neglected this offseason). he deserves criticism. He doesn’t deserve to be fired. Edited December 7, 2021 by NewEra 9 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Anyone that wasn't delusional knew that running it back with the same roster was a huge mistake. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 what we are all discussing today are the clear weaknesses on the teams roster...as the season has developed those needs have become glaring..last year the D line was the "glaring" need....today it is the OL and need for a true stud RB........the fact the Bills have shown by their losses, the reasons for which you could say last night was weather partly......but the middle of our defense was an open gate for the Pats RB's, we got smacked in the mouth. OUCH. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Disagree. Roster is top 5 in the league. They are losing games to inferior rosters. 2 6 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 14 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: Back in March, I started a topic: "I'm Not Sure We Will Repeat as AFCE Champs" I was concerned about a few things including our poor OL and lack of a running attack. And while a few brave souls agreed with me, I was assaulted by the mob. My football wisdom was doubted. My intellect insulted. My manhood questioned. Worst of all, I even had my Bills Mafia membership card revoked! https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/231992-not-sure-we-will-repeat-as-afce-champs/ Yet today I read that the suicide hotline in Buffalo is experiencing a spike in calls while fans want McDermott, Daboll, and every other Bills coach drawn and quartered - and then fired. I hated watching the Pats beat us last night but I'm not pulling my hair out. I never shared the Super Bowl expectations of my Mafia brothers and sisters (if I can still claim a familial relationship after being expelled from the club). I just never believed this roster was good enough. And, look, I'm not knocking Beane. Today's roster is better than the one he inherited. But he - clearly - has more work to do before the Bills can make a Super Bowl run. I've always been a Beane fan, but he absolutely deserves criticism for not addressing the trenches properly. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 This roster is objectively better than the one that went 13-3 and made it to the AFCCG. This team is just comically inconsistent, prone to getting punched in the mouth, and loves shooting itself in the foot. To me that falls squarely on coaching. 4 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC in St. Louis Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 The team is in a surly mood. Plenty of talent here. Can't wait till Sunday. If we make the dance, we'll be dancing. Jerry Sullivan can go alone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, gobills404 said: This roster is objectively better than the one that went 13-3 and made it to the AFCCG. This team is just comically inconsistent, prone to getting punched in the mouth, and loves shooting itself in the foot. To me that falls squarely on coaching. Objectively? No, they are not. If they were better, they would win more games, for that is how we grade how good a team/roster/coaching staff is I'll add that I think that McD has lost the locker room. This team has nothing like the cohesion of last year's, and his gameday management is objectively worse 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: Back in March, I started a topic: "I'm Not Sure We Will Repeat as AFCE Champs" I was concerned about a few things including our poor OL and lack of a running attack. And while a few brave souls agreed with me, I was assaulted by the mob. My football wisdom was doubted. My intellect insulted. My manhood questioned. Worst of all, I even had my Bills Mafia membership card revoked! https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/231992-not-sure-we-will-repeat-as-afce-champs/ Yet today I read that the suicide hotline in Buffalo is experiencing a spike in calls while fans want McDermott, Daboll, and every other Bills coach drawn and quartered - and then fired. I hated watching the Pats beat us last night but I'm not pulling my hair out. I never shared the Super Bowl expectations of my Mafia brothers and sisters (if I can still claim a familial relationship after being expelled from the club). I just never believed this roster was good enough. And, look, I'm not knocking Beane. Today's roster is better than the one he inherited. But he - clearly - has more work to do before the Bills can make a Super Bowl run. I'm thinking if you post something like this on any board of a team with any kind of potential you'd get similar responses. For instance, if you went over to Dallas' board in late October suggesting they won't win the NFC East, you'd probably be ripped to shreds. Now, that looks like a very real possibility. Good on you for being willing to go against the grain. I seem to recall, after our strong start in 2011, a post about our way of winning "not being sustainable" was unpopular only to sadly end up being correct. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, gobills404 said: This roster is objectively better than the one that went 13-3 and made it to the AFCCG. This team is just comically inconsistent, prone to getting punched in the mouth, and loves shooting itself in the foot. To me that falls squarely on coaching. I agree. Last year, this offense was a totally one-dimensional pass-on-every-down show. And it worked! Because we have an all-pro QB who can paper over some problems with pass protection, and he's throwing to a collection of really good receivers. Why hand the ball off to some guy who's going to get hit at the line of scrimmage and maybe fall forward for a yard or two when you can throw to 14 and 11? This year we're handing it off on second and long and pissing away red zone plays just to check an imaginary "did we run the ball enough?" box. And last year this team was mentally dialed in pretty much every week. We lost some games here and there, but you never felt like they just showed up and expected their opponents to roll over for them. That's been the story every single week this year except (not coincidentally) the KC game. Even stupid errors like all the pre-snap penalties ultimately come back to coaching. Maybe a season like this was inevitable. Maybe this team just needed to learn a hard lesson about what success in the NFL requires. It's not like this would be the first roster to take a step backwards after a really good year only to get back on track the following season. But yeah fundamentally this is still a SB-caliber roster. This staff just didn't get the most out of them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 I sure as hell had my doubts on both sides of the line. I was sure they would at least draft a space eater on D, and I wanted an upgrade at LG. I was ok with the drafting of Moss, and I still think our backs could do well if we were stronger up front. I have also not been a huge fan of the coach. I liked the culture he instilled, but his GameDay decisions have always been lacking to me. My fears were never put to rest, and now they are coming to fruition. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 Too many inexcusable losses. Some games, I think they felt they just needed to show up. I think we all knew that to repeat any momentum from last year, we'd have to dig deeper. I'm not seeing it. They don't have the fight. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 We don’t give ourselves a chance though by benching McKenzie, never using motion, jet sweeps, play action (without that gimmick RPO), no Josh Allen runs in the red zone, we keep putting Zack Moss on the field for some reason, and our Coaches can’t understand that Cole Beasley and Emmanuel Sanders are fading and instead it’s keep Davis snaps low and bench everyone else. Honestly, if Brown plays RT, our best chance is to just go 4-wide, 5-wide. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Disagree. Roster is top 5 in the league. They are losing games to inferior rosters. Well, I think both can be true. Oline, rb, dline against the run are problems. And we are getting beat by less talented rosters. They are taking advantage of our weaknesses and our fast track offense cannot compensate, particularly in bad weather games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 28 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: Back in March, I started a topic: "I'm Not Sure We Will Repeat as AFCE Champs" I was concerned about a few things including our poor OL and lack of a running attack. And while a few brave souls agreed with me, I was assaulted by the mob. My football wisdom was doubted. My intellect insulted. My manhood questioned. Worst of all, I even had my Bills Mafia membership card revoked! https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/231992-not-sure-we-will-repeat-as-afce-champs/ Yet today I read that the suicide hotline in Buffalo is experiencing a spike in calls while fans want McDermott, Daboll, and every other Bills coach drawn and quartered - and then fired. I hated watching the Pats beat us last night but I'm not pulling my hair out. I never shared the Super Bowl expectations of my Mafia brothers and sisters (if I can still claim a familial relationship after being expelled from the club). I just never believed this roster was good enough. And, look, I'm not knocking Beane. Today's roster is better than the one he inherited. But he - clearly - has more work to do before the Bills can make a Super Bowl run. I spoke all season that Beanne did not do enough to improve this roster from last season. The Bills have a grand total of 3 star level play makers in Allen/Diggs and White who is no gone for the season. Too many players on this roster making very good money and not providing enough production. Give the Pats credit they went out and signed difference makers in free agency and now are leading the division. I think your going to see them eat some dead money this offseason in order to get rid of dead wood and add more top end talent. I was one of BEANNE's least productive offseasons and were paying for it now 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, dorquemada said: Objectively? No, they are not. If they were better, they would win more games, for that is how we grade how good a team/roster/coaching staff is I'll add that I think that McD has lost the locker room. This team has nothing like the cohesion of last year's, and his gameday management is objectively worse Stop moving the goalposts the thread said the roster isn’t good enough not coaching staff. I literally blamed the coaching staff in the second half of my post. Please work on your reading and comprehension skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 If not now, then when? Having a top 5 QB on a rookie contract is a gigantic advantage for constructing a roster. If Beane can't build a superbowl contending roster while Josh has a 10mm cap hit - what makes you think he'll be able to build one in the future when Josh has a 40mm cap hit? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 26 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Disagree. Roster is top 5 in the league. They are losing games to inferior rosters. The Jags game aside, I disagree. Our offensive line is bad. They rarely open holes for our backs. They create no push on short yardage situations. And too often Allen is trying to make plays while scrambling for his life. And as good as Allen is, he doesn't excel at pre-snap reads which would be a great talent for a QB behind a porous line. Sometimes he hangs onto the ball scanning for an open receiver. And our defense is built to defend the pass. We struggle against physical offensive lines and powerful RBs. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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