Bojo doing Bojo things

[Buffalo Barbarian]

35 minutes ago, KingBoots8 said:

 

Moorman just doing his best Thanos impression.

 

”Fine, I’ll do it myself!”

 

Best BILLS uniform ever

 

 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

4 hours ago, BillsFan4 said:

https://theathletic.com/3214690/2022/03/28/packers-gm-brian-gutekunst-explains-davante-adams-trade-more-from-nfl-owners-meetings/

Sounds like the Packers also moved on from Bojo in part because of his holding (in)ability too. Seems to be a common thing with him. Wonder why he struggles so much to hold kicks.

 

 

 

Made me think of this scene: 

 

 

 

Not exactly sure why 😂

 

this is incredibly dumb by teams. You dont want a punter because he cant hold kicks?? Get someone else to do it, remember when the QBs used to do it, id much rather the backup QB do it just in cases you want to throw the ball.

 

 

Edited March 29, 2022 by Buffalo Barbarian

[BillsfaninSB]

45 minutes ago, KingBoots8 said:

 

Moorman just doing his best Thanos impression.

 

”Fine, I’ll do it myself!”

I still can’t believe these uniforms actually existed. 

[Mango]

14 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

this is incredibly dumb by teams. You dont want a punter because he cant hold kicks?? Get someone else to do it, remember when the QBs used to do it, id much rather the backup QB do it just in cases you want to throw the ball.

 

 

 

This is my thought as well. Especially on our roster where we pay guys like Taiwan Jones over $1M per year to play special teams only. The argument is that it costs him reps/time in the RB room. 

The dude is RB4. He might take 8 offensive snaps per week. If we are going to keep a spot purely for a ST guy with literally no other value on the team, I would much rather keep the better punter and make Jones practice holding rather than compromise the punter. 

 

In a perfect world, we stop signing Taiwan Jones every year and start filling that role with younger guys who actually have a chance of cracking the roster at other positions. And in that case sure, sign Haack instead of Bojo. 

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Gone are the days of Brian Moorman

 

1. Bomb a 80 yard punt

2. Run for 20 on 4th and short

3. Throw a TD

He should be brought in as an Assistant Special Teams Coordinator.

 

He used to get hit a lot out of bounds on those type of plays.

 

[MrEpsYtown]

Holding is now a part of the job of the punter. Like it or not, it is in the job description. With new CBAs etc these teams barely practice at all. And with everyone bigger and faster now, if it isn’t a perfect snap, hold, kick its gonna probably get blocked. so it needs to be streamlined and automatic. 
 

Punters and kickers are all kind of the same. There are some elite guys, and then a bunch of average dudes, and guys who suck. So if the guy can’t hold, he really can’t do the job. 
 

That’s like having a McDonald’s employee who makes great burgers, but just can’t seem to figure out the fryer, so the fries come out bad and soggy. You are going to just fire that person and find someone who is at least ok doing both. 

[streetkings01]

Saddest era of Bills football for me where fans praised the punter and wanted to vote him team MVP 🥺

 

I never wanna return to that era of Bills football!

[AuntieEm]

On 10/16/2021 at 9:38 PM, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Ok, well that's understandable. To your trick play comment, just wanted to point out that when opposing teams see the QB2 come out for holding duties instead of the usual punter, I imagine that would alert them to be ready for a trick play. So not sure it would be very successful. Unless for some reason opposing team wouldn't notice a different holder, but I doubt that would happen often, if at all.

 Well I imagine if the qb2 was the holder it would be for every fg attempt not just when u wanna run a trick play.  

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

this is incredibly dumb by teams. You dont want a punter because he cant hold kicks?? Get someone else to do it, remember when the QBs used to do it, id much rather the backup QB do it just in cases you want to throw the ball.

 

 

 

Yes I remember, it was back in the day when lengths of practice wasn't governed as much and players like the backup QB could just stay after to work  with the kicker.  Now if you want your backup QB to hold for kicks that means he's not with the QB's when they are practicing the offense for next weeks game.  Plus some weeks the backup QB may became the starting QB or at least enter in the middle of the game.

 

Plus on teams with strong offenses I'd argue holding for kicks is more important than punting.  Was it one or two games last season the Bills never punted.

 

Could you get someone else, sure, but whomever you get if it's not he kicker, punter or holder, you're pulling them away from practice time on their other roles to work with the kicker.  That's why 32 (I'm assuming there aren't any teams that use the QB to hold) teams don't think it's a dumb idea.  The dumb idea would be using someone else.

 

https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/Reasons-Punters-Hold-for-Field-Goals

 

Edited March 29, 2022 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

[Greatdane21]

Where is it written the punter has to hold ? There are backup wr db etc  just as capable 

for years Cleveland had a defensive back holding for Lou groza.

[mikemac2001]

2 minutes ago, Greatdane21 said:

Where is it written the punter has to hold ? There are backup wr db etc  just as capable 

for years Cleveland had a defensive back holding for Lou groza.

It’s because a lot of times they are to busy practicing there position 

 

while punters are part of the special teams and they spend there time together 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 hours ago, Greatdane21 said:

Where is it written the punter has to hold ? There are backup wr db etc  just as capable 

for years Cleveland had a defensive back holding for Lou groza.

 

Lou Groza, Great example of todays NFL! 

 

https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/Reasons-Punters-Hold-for-Field-Goals

[RocCityRoller]

On 3/29/2022 at 3:48 PM, MrEpsYtown said:

Holding is now a part of the job of the punter. Like it or not, it is in the job description. With new CBAs etc these teams barely practice at all. And with everyone bigger and faster now, if it isn’t a perfect snap, hold, kick its gonna probably get blocked. so it needs to be streamlined and automatic. 
 

Punters and kickers are all kind of the same. There are some elite guys, and then a bunch of average dudes, and guys who suck. So if the guy can’t hold, he really can’t do the job. 
 

That’s like having a McDonald’s employee who makes great burgers, but just can’t seem to figure out the fryer, so the fries come out bad and soggy. You are going to just fire that person and find someone who is at least ok doing both. 

 

Poor Tom Tupa would never make the NFL with those definitions!

 

He was a fun player to watch.

[BobbyC81]

On 3/29/2022 at 11:21 AM, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

this is incredibly dumb by teams. You dont want a punter because he cant hold kicks?? Get someone else to do it, remember when the QBs used to do it, id much rather the backup QB do it just in cases you want to throw the ball.

 

 

Exactly, use somebody with good hands, even a WR or TE.

[Orlando Tim]

1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Lou Groza, Great example of todays NFL! 

 

https://howtheyplay.com/team-sports/Reasons-Punters-Hold-for-Field-Goals

I did not realize all of that about limitations on practice time and Boho is truly out of luck on good offenses where his holding is more important than his punting.

[Freddie's Dead]

Bodork gonna Bodork.

[vincec]

I have no issue with the Bills moving on from Bojorquez, but did they have to replace him with the worst punter in the NFL?

[The Jokeman]

On 3/29/2022 at 4:37 PM, AuntieEm said:

 Well I imagine if the qb2 was the holder it would be for every fg attempt not just when u wanna run a trick play.  

Where's Tom Tupa when you need him. He played QB and finished his career as a punter.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

3 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

Where's Tom Tupa when you need him. He played QB and finished his career as a punter.

 

So did George Blanda.  That's the only way today a QB will be holding, if he also punts.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

3 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I did not realize all of that about limitations on practice time and Boho is truly out of luck on good offenses where his holding is more important than his punting.

 

Don't think it's only teams with good offense's.   I just looked at kicking stats from some of the teams with the worst records last year, Jax, Caroilna, Seattle, Giants.  All those kickers averaged  about 6 points per game, basically one TD.  That can be the difference between winning an losing a game.  Better teams like Buffalo the kickers worth even more, about 8 points per game.

 

Now look at punting stats.  The difference in net yards between Bojo who everyone is still pining for and Haack is 2.6 yards.  Difference between the best net punting average in league and worst (who BTW is Haack) is about 7 yards per game and the worst teams in the league punt an average of 5 times a game.   So if you take 7 yards more /punt X 5 punts = 35 yards a game more.   6 points will likely end up being more important than 35 yards

 

There were also only 8 blocked punts and 2 punts returned for TD by all the teams together for the entire season.   One of the TD returns was against Bojo so ironically tboth he and HHack gave up one TD.  He and Haack had almost identical number of punts inside the 20, fair caught, and downed.  Bojo also had 268 return yards against him vs 96 for Haack.  Bojo had 4 touchbacks, Haack 7.  When you really look at the stats the two of them are very close, and BTW Bojo can't hold.

 

Games are won and lost more on missed FG's than punt returns