Trubisky trade value?

[Matt_In_NH]

11 hours ago, Meatloaf63 said:

They only have him for one season. If you don’t trade him this season he walks and maybe you get a Comp pick.

Agree, there is a small chance he gets extended playing time due to an injury or Covid or something and his value increases to where they could franchise tag him.  The Patriots did that with Matt Cassell.

[Jerome007]

As mentioned already many times, the Bills are in all out Superbowl contention THIS YEAR. No way you trade MT! Josh plays physical with all the risks that come with it, there's always the Covid threat of 2 week of no show, and so on. Unless a trade offer is super juicy, why trade a superb backup QB only paid 2M a year? While he's no Josh, and certainly not the big arm threat, he is mobile in a way you barely adjust the playbook. Keep the man!

[Patrick Duffy]

No way they Trade Mitch. He is the best insurance you can basically get at QB position. Only way is if a team makes an offer that blows the sunglasses off Beane's face.

[PatsFanNH]

The 49ers have the top backup in the NFL with Jimmy G. A former SB QB who just wins when he plays no matter what team that is on.  They will get a kings ransom when they finally decide to trade him.  there is a reason why MT was available for 2.5 million. No one else wanted him.

[Doc]

Just now, PatsFanNH said:

The 49ers have the top backup in the NFL with Jimmy G. A former SB QB who just wins when he plays no matter what team that is on.  They will get a kings ransom when they finally decide to trade him.  there is a reason why MT was available for 2.5 million. No one else wanted him.

 

Wait, when has Lance proven to be even a competent NFL QB, much less a franchise QB? 

 

As for Jimmy G, he lost the 49'ers a SB.  And he can't stay healthy.  I doubt they get more than a 2nd rounder for him.

[Victory Formation]

I’m hoping he doesn’t have to start and I’m hoping we extend for a few more years next offseason.

[Paulus]

39 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

No way they Trade Mitch. He is the best insurance you can basically get at QB position. Only way is if a team makes an offer that blows the sunglasses off Beane's face.

Which some team may. I wonder if he gets game play in the regular season in blowout type situations just a bit more early than Fromm or Webb would.

[Patrick Duffy]

8 minutes ago, Paulus said:

Which some team may. I wonder if he gets game play in the regular season in blowout type situations just a bit more early than Fromm or Webb would.

I mean it's possible, but I don't see it. I don't see a team making an offer any better than a 4th or maybe late 3rd. Obviously I'm not in Beane's head, but it would not be enough for me to consider.

 

Mitch is the best QB2 in the league and the best insurance you could have. He definitely can win some games for you if needed, especially with the surrounding cast the Bills now have.

 

No way I'd lose that type of insurance, especially coming into a season that the team is primed for a Super Bowl

[PatsFanNH]

25 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Wait, when has Lance proven to be even a competent NFL QB, much less a franchise QB? 

 

As for Jimmy G, he lost the 49'ers a SB.  And he can't stay healthy.  I doubt they get more than a 2nd rounder for him.

Pats just got a 4th for a RB that can’t stay healthy either.. I could see a team giving them a 1st possibly a 2nd and other compensation as well.

 

as for Lance it seems Shannahan is sold on him after the second preseason game to be his starter or at least all the talking heads up here believe that.  Thus when some top QB goes down on a good team they may just give them the farm for Jimmy G who if you look at their winning percentage is like .700 as a starter. ( I don’t see the same team doing the same for MT )

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

22 hours ago, Meatloaf63 said:

They only have him for one season. If you don’t trade him this season he walks and maybe you get a Comp pick.

No, New England Patriots get that comp pick.  I am positive it is in the rules somewhere. 🤓

[Doc]

34 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Pats just got a 4th for a RB that can’t stay healthy either.. I could see a team giving them a 1st possibly a 2nd and other compensation as well.

 

as for Lance it seems Shannahan is sold on him after the second preseason game to be his starter or at least all the talking heads up here believe that.  Thus when some top QB goes down on a good team they may just give them the farm for Jimmy G who if you look at their winning percentage is like .700 as a starter. ( I don’t see the same team doing the same for MT )

 

It might be a late 4th round pick, if the Rams get a 4th round comp pick next draft.  Otherwise it's (likely late) 5th and 6th rounders.  And the Rams don't care about draft picks. 

 

But Michel is on a cheap 1-year deal.  And whether he's really injury-prone remains to be seen.  JG is definitely injury-prone, having missed 23 out of a possible 48 games the past 3 years and several games with the Cheaters, and comes with a large price tag which he'll want to increase if he gets traded.  So the calculus is markedly different. 

 

And I'll have to see Lance on the field in a real game first.  If Shanahan were really that high on him, he'd have named him the starter already.

Edited August 25, 2021 by Doc

[Patrick Duffy]

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

If Shanahan were really that high on him, he'd have named him the starter already

Maybe, maybe not.... Could be one of those that wait til nearly last minute to announce. Although you're likely correct because usually a starter is named fairly early for the teams surrounding players to know who to prepare to get on same page with. Unless there's a QB competition, then the QB1 could be named last minute

[Doc]

1 minute ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Maybe, maybe not.... Could be one of those that wait til nearly last minute to announce. Although you're likely correct because usually a starter is named fairly early for the teams surrounding players to know who to prepare to get on same page with. Unless there's a QB competition, then the QB1 could be named last minute

 

What I've heard is JG will start and they'll go from there.  But time will tell.

[OrediggerPoke]

The Bills should either trade Trubisky to the Tennessee Titans to get Brian Hill for some help at RB or to the Washington No Namers to get Chase Roullier.  Come on GM Josh Allen, make it happen! 

[FilthyBeast]

Here's the way I see the Trubisky situation, if he's on the team in 2021 and we actually need him if Allen were to get hurt then it was a genius move.

 

If we trade can trade him for a 1st or 2nd and/or a veteran of equal value at a position of need (i.e. DB) it also could be seen as a shrewd move.

 

The problem with trading him though is it's a major roll of the dice because of the first point and I have zero faith in Fromm or Webb to be able to win with this team if Allen were out for a significant stretch of time.

[Meatloaf63]

On 8/25/2021 at 6:07 AM, mattynh said:

Agree, there is a small chance he gets extended playing time due to an injury or Covid or something and his value increases to where they could franchise tag him.  The Patriots did that with Matt Cassell.

We couldn’t afford that though, can you franchise some you don’t have the cap to keep?

[Matt_In_NH]

2 hours ago, Meatloaf63 said:

We couldn’t afford that though, can you franchise some you don’t have the cap to keep?

Absolutely.   Lots of salary cap gymnastics are possible in the off season.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

21 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

The 49ers have the top backup in the NFL with Jimmy G. A former SB QB who just wins when he plays no matter what team that is on.  They will get a kings ransom when they finally decide to trade him.  there is a reason why MT was available for 2.5 million. No one else wanted him.

 

He's played substantially fewer games than Trubisky, is 30, and will cost a team 25 million dollars for a single year.  He's missed 23 games over the last 3 years due to injury.  His playoff numbers are also a tad suspect.  

 

His healthy season - the 49ers had the #2 defense in yards, and 6th in takeaways with 5 defensive scores.  They're also a heavy run team with the shanahan offense.  He's a fit in certain offenses, but i don't think he's capable of taking a spot from a rookie or something like that - I'd say he's maybe a slight upgrade over mitch in certain offenses, but i'd probably put him on par with minshew.

[Billl]

On 8/25/2021 at 4:24 PM, Doc said:

 

Wait, when has Lance proven to be even a competent NFL QB, much less a franchise QB? 

 

As for Jimmy G, he lost the 49'ers a SB.  And he can't stay healthy.  I doubt they get more than a 2nd rounder for him.

That's way, way more than anything would give up for MT...which is literally nothing.  

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, Billl said:

That's way, way more than anything would give up for MT...which is literally nothing.  

It depends on what the situation is with said team that would determine how high or low the offer would be imo.  For example, if a team loses their QB for 8 to 10 weeks and if that team is contending. I could see a team that's in good shape like that making a better than normal offer in hopes MT can get them through til said QB comes back.I do agree though a 2nd would be unlikely. 

 

In any event Mitch isn't going anywhere. 

[Paulus]

On 8/25/2021 at 2:45 PM, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

I mean it's possible, but I don't see it. I don't see a team making an offer any better than a 4th or maybe late 3rd. Obviously I'm not in Beane's head, but it would not be enough for me to consider.

 

Mitch is the best QB2 in the league and the best insurance you could have. He definitely can win some games for you if needed, especially with the surrounding cast the Bills now have.

 

No way I'd lose that type of insurance, especially coming into a season that the team is primed for a Super Bowl

I don't think he'll be traded, but I think we'll see more Webb in the next game. Fromm looks pretty bad, but if there was even a possibility of trading Trubisky, they would likely need more confidence in Webb.

 

I think they may showcase Trubisky, just to guage interest. What will it hurt?

 

 

[cle23]

11 hours ago, Meatloaf63 said:

We couldn’t afford that though, can you franchise some you don’t have the cap to keep?

 

Trubisky would sign the franchise tag so fast and Buffalo would be screwed. Paying top 5 money for 2 QBs? And who would trade for him at that pay?

[Doc]

14 hours ago, Billl said:

That's way, way more than anything would give up for MT...which is literally nothing.  

 

LOL.  Sure. 

[Billl]

20 hours ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

It depends on what the situation is with said team that would determine how high or low the offer would be imo.  For example, if a team loses their QB for 8 to 10 weeks and if that team is contending. I could see a team that's in good shape like that making a better than normal offer in hopes MT can get them through til said QB comes back.I do agree though a 2nd would be unlikely. 

 

In any event Mitch isn't going anywhere. 

Why would Mitch be a good option for a team in that situation?  That team would want someone whose walked into similar situations before.  Foles, Fitzpatrick, Mariota, Dalton, etc. would all be better options and cost basically nothing.  Even if they have less potential overall, they can handle walking into a new team and getting up to speed quickly.  Mitch hasn't exactly shown himself to be a quick study.  He's a good fit for his current role.

[Patrick Duffy]

16 minutes ago, Billl said:

Why would Mitch be a good option for a team in that situation?  That team would want someone whose walked into similar situations before.  Foles, Fitzpatrick, Mariota, Dalton, etc. would all be better options and cost basically nothing.  Even if they have less potential overall, they can handle walking into a new team and getting up to speed quickly.  Mitch hasn't exactly shown himself to be a quick study.  He's a good fit for his current role.

Because he is the best QB2 in the league, adding he will be a starter again after Bills. Also because he would be best chance to help win some of those games while QB1 is out.

Edited August 27, 2021 by Sheneneh Jenkins

[Billl]

8 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Because he is the best QB2 in the league, adding he will be a starter again after Bills. Also because he would be best chance to help win some of those games while QB1 is out.

He is a fine backup in his current situation because he's had a full off-season to study the playbook.  Nothing he's ever done suggests that he could take over a 6-2 Green Bay team if Rodgers breaks his collarbone and go 4-4.  There are better options for a team in that position.  Rivers or Fitz would be great options.  Trubisky isn't the guy who comes to anyone's mind when looking for a guy who can learn the basics of brand a new offense in a week.  He may have higher long term upside, but that doesn't matter to a team looking for a plug and play guy as a bandaid.

[Patrick Duffy]

1 minute ago, Billl said:

He is a fine backup in his current situation because he's had a full off-season to study the playbook.  Nothing he's ever done suggests that he could take over a 6-2 Green Bay team if Rodgers breaks his collarbone and go 4-4.  There are better options for a team in that position.  Rivers or Fitz would be great options.  Trubisky isn't the guy who comes to anyone's mind when looking for a guy who can learn the basics of brand a new offense in a week.  He may have higher long term upside, but that doesn't matter to a team looking for a plug and play guy as a bandaid.

I'm not sure we are on same page here....First off, Rivers is not a back up nor ever will be, also retired. Second, we been down that road with Fitz. I only suggesting as of now that, imo at least, Mitch gives you the best chance to win enough games til the Starting QB returns. If team has strong surrounding cast then it helps the chances more.

 

Mitch had a good season and others I think were average. But the Bears team didn't have the best surrounding players with Mitch either. Most were about average.

[Orlando Tim]

10 minutes ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

I'm not sure we are on same page here....First off, Rivers is not a back up nor ever will be, also retired. Second, we been down that road with Fitz. I only suggesting as of now that, imo at least, Mitch gives you the best chance to win enough games til the Starting QB returns. If team has strong surrounding cast then it helps the chances more.

 

Mitch had a good season and others I think were average. But the Bears team didn't have the best surrounding players with Mitch either. Most were about average.

The surrounding cast is huge for Mitch. People seem to think he had good players around him in Chicago and we saw what they do against our back ups. Mitch was their best offensive player the past 3 years and got them into the playoffs twice. Give the guy his due he is better than Tyrod by a shade.

[Patrick Duffy]

Just now, Buffalo Timmy said:

The surrounding cast is huge for Mitch. People seem to think he had good players around him in Chicago and we saw what they do against our back ups. Mitch was their best offensive player the past 3 years and got them into the playoffs twice. Give the guy his due he is better than Tyrod by a shade.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm not sure why you quoted me lol. Unless got posts mixed up? anyway, yeah I agree

[PatsFanNH]

On 8/26/2021 at 3:32 PM, dneveu said:

 

He's played substantially fewer games than Trubisky, is 30, and will cost a team 25 million dollars for a single year.  He's missed 23 games over the last 3 years due to injury.  His playoff numbers are also a tad suspect.  

 

His healthy season - the 49ers had the #2 defense in yards, and 6th in takeaways with 5 defensive scores.  They're also a heavy run team with the shanahan offense.  He's a fit in certain offenses, but i don't think he's capable of taking a spot from a rookie or something like that - I'd say he's maybe a slight upgrade over mitch in certain offenses, but i'd probably put him on par with minshew.

He is 38-12 as a starter a .750 win clip.  He came in to the 49ers team that was bad and won his first 5 games.  Teams want that winner especially if they are that close and lose their star QB for the season. Say like the Cowboys, or Packers, etc.  the draft picks mean nothing when your in win now mode.. (Pats we’re that for like 10 years) Heck I bet if he went to NE (and he was healthy) the Pats win 13 to 14 games because he was built for that style O. (Also team only responsible for the prorated portion of his contract)

[Orlando Tim]

3 hours ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said:

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm not sure why you quoted me lol. Unless got posts mixed up? anyway, yeah I agree

Grabbed the wrong post- sorry. I saw yours and then meant to grab someone else's post. Yeah I agree with you obviously.

[Doc]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

He is 38-12 as a starter a .750 win clip.  He came in to the 49ers team that was bad and won his first 5 games.  Teams want that winner especially if they are that close and lose their star QB for the season. Say like the Cowboys, or Packers, etc.  the draft picks mean nothing when your in win now mode.. (Pats we’re that for like 10 years) Heck I bet if he went to NE (and he was healthy) the Pats win 13 to 14 games because he was built for that style O. (Also team only responsible for the prorated portion of his contract)

 

That's because he replaced career backups in Hoyer and Beathard (who was also a rookie at the time), his defense held teams to 16 or fewer points in 3 of those games, and the other 2 were against weak teams. 

 

But the idea of trading anything worthwhile for, and paying a lot of money to, him given his injury history is a stretch at best.  He's missed almost 43% of the games for which he was eligible during his time with the 49'ers, not to mention several games after starting just 2 with the Cheaters in 2016.  As they say, the best ability is availability.

[Saint Doug]

I’ll trade him for a 1st in 2022 plus a conditional 1st in 2023. That’s the value I assign to him as an insurance policy. If Allen goes down for an extended amount of time, the season is basically over. MT protects against this. 

[PatsFanNH]

56 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

That's because he replaced career backups in Hoyer and Beathard (who was also a rookie at the time), his defense held teams to 16 or fewer points in 3 of those games, and the other 2 were against weak teams. 

 

But the idea of trading anything worthwhile for, and paying a lot of money to, him given his injury history is a stretch at best.  He's missed almost 43% of the games for which he was eligible during his time with the 49'ers, not to mention several games after starting just 2 with the Cheaters in 2016.  As they say, the best ability is availability.

I say a team will do it. They always do! Always one team out there make that crazy trade… especially if there starter goes on IR early and they have SB dreams. 
 

mind you time will tell, because I am 95% sure Jimmy G is on a new team before the deadline this year. I also don’t see any other WB of his caliber being offered… 

[Doc]

12 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

I say a team will do it. They always do! Always one team out there make that crazy trade… especially if there starter goes on IR early and they have SB dreams. 
 

mind you time will tell, because I am 95% sure Jimmy G is on a new team before the deadline this year. I also don’t see any other WB of his caliber being offered… 

 

When was the last time it happened?  And the biggest problem for a contending team is they'll be close to the cap and his cap hit will be too big to absorb mid-season. 

[Curt]

I didn't read the whole thread but I would definitely not trade Trubisky. If Josh has to miss a few games for injuries or Covid reasons, remember injuries are not an uncommon thing in football, we would still have excellent chances of winning with our current backup which would not be the case with the other 2 QB's on our roster.

[Mountain Man]

On 8/22/2021 at 3:28 PM, Chaos said:

Trubisky is clearly the best BU QB options the Bills will have for 2021. Trubisky will likely be gone to be a starter after this season.  If someone offered a second (price for Garapollo paid by the 49ers), would the long term benefit of the second be worth trading? 

No. Because if he signs next year a starter you're getting a 3rd or 4th as a comp pick anyway 

On 8/22/2021 at 3:39 PM, Chaos said:

The point of the thread is not to advocate trading Trubisky.  Reading comprehension is an important skill.  Its a hypothetical question.  I am certain that Beane has already thought of his response if he is asked.   I doubt seriously his response would be "Holy *****, didn't think of that, during free agency no one wanted him."  

Grow up. 

[Alphadawg7]

10 pages on something that has a 0% chance to happen...priceless

[maryland-bills-fan]

A 3rd or 4th round comp pick next year would be wonderful but I don't see it happening.   Getting a comp pick depends upon the application of a NFL secret formula, which balances the number and quality of free agents moving ONTO and FROM a team.  We are in a poor position there.

 

The Bills are a top team with a good karma right now.  Free agents like to to go a winning team for a lot of reasons.  They get a chance at the post season and more money.  They get a chance at the post season and bragging rights for life.  They get a better resume with this on their record.  They look better to teams for future moves because they are surrounded by better players.  They have a better idea how they will fit into a stable team situation.

 

So the Bills can get a lot of quality free agents to come to Buffalo and have a lot of quality players and starters wanting to stay with the team. (Just look at how many potential FA's resigned with Buffalo on one year deals!)  We pick up more FA than we lose.  We have to release a lot of quality players as they get pushed out- but released players are not part of that draft pick compensation game.

 

Another factor is from the "waiver wire" pickups, during they year and during the roster cut-down events.  We are way at the bottom of that list, so any gem that other teams have to unload, get picked over by 29 other teams.  (after the first 3 games in 2022, it is by current W/L record).  We are unlikely to be able to use this method very well for that reason- so there is more going to happen from picking up top notch FA's.

 

It would be nice, but I don't think we should count on getting anything from losing Trubisky as a valuable FA next year.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

11 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

He is 38-12 as a starter a .750 win clip.  He came in to the 49ers team that was bad and won his first 5 games.  Teams want that winner especially if they are that close and lose their star QB for the season. Say like the Cowboys, or Packers, etc.  the draft picks mean nothing when your in win now mode.. (Pats we’re that for like 10 years) Heck I bet if he went to NE (and he was healthy) the Pats win 13 to 14 games because he was built for that style O. (Also team only responsible for the prorated portion of his contract)

 

Qb record isn't a real Stat though.  He's also 24-8, not 38-12.  He's never had a particularly impressive statistical year, and the offense was at its most effective when they ran the ball.