It's Time to Mandate Vaccines

[All_Pro_Bills]

15 hours ago, TSOL said:

Alot of people dont want to cede this kind of control of our lives to the government.

 

Alot of people want to make the decision to get the shot on their own terms, not because they are forced to do so by an intrusive mandate 

And that's because the government in all phases is systemically corrupt and incompetent and pretty much lies about everything.  Confronted by that reality why should anyone trust them with their health?

[oldmanfan]

6 hours ago, Buffarukus said:

 

you site data in your post but then "hope" he will be ok? the data is showing that not only will he be ok but he will be with much better immunity then anyone who was only vaxed. the issue is why are the studies not being the number one priority since they are threatening to shun people from society? you get data THEN mandate if neccessary, not the other way around. 

 

i replied to this coming together argument with you before and you still only see it from your side. SC laid out a perfectly logical reasoning for his decision and where we should have "come together" is when our government became authoritarian. when clear knowledge that box stores were allowed to jam people in them while small stores were shut down even as they followed every single protocol to be safe. arbitrarily crushing people who spent their entire lives building a little something of their own to the sound of applause. when children who repeatedly showed no data that they would be negatively affected were still treated like they are the most at risk group. when people who put their health at risk with no knowledge of how dangerous this was and little PPE, once praised with thank yous are now being threatened to lose that very same job. at this point they ACCEPT the risk and if your vaxed and everyone you love is then you should be fighting on their behalf.

 

how does anyone think that being on the other side of these things is correct? so many more. that's where we should have come together. all while the people making these mandates were caught lying, flip flopping, and repeatedly caught breaking their own protocals with huge smiles on their faces.

 

  

Point by point:

 

1.  I do not think the individual I was communicating with has had Covid and thus would not have natural immunity.  We are not sure how long natural immunity lasts as of yet as well.

 

2.  Congress screwed the small business owner.  I said at the time money should go to those businesses and not the large corporations.

 

3.  Before delta variant I would have agreed that children should be back without masks.  Infections and hospital admissions in children has risen greatly in children, because the younger kids can’t be vaccinated and they are being used as political pawns.  Kids should be back in school with masking as I have already indicated, all school employees should be vaccinated, and local communities monitor local infection and vaccination rates to dictate policies.  Masks work as a mitigation, I have referred to the data, and that is incontrovertible.

 

4.  Health care organizations like mine mandate Covid vaccination, just like we do for influenza and hepatitis.  Why?  Because the health of our patients come first.  That’s the bottom line.  I feel for our front line folks as I do for all health care workers dealing with this pandemic.  They have been jncredible throughout this crisis. But the answer is simple: get vaccinated.  Science says the benefits far outweigh any (mostly theoretical) risks, and health care workers should accept science.  If you work in health care and have been vaccinated for other things but refuse Covid you have no leg to stand on.  
 

5.  What you call flip flopping is oftentimes how science and medicine work in a situation like a pandemic involving a new virus.  As new data comes in you adjust recommendations.  That said, communication should have been clearer in the last and current administration.

 

Your comments seem to ignore how you best deal with a viral pandemic.  You band together as a people and a community and do the things science tells you that work to halt progress and allow our way of life and economy to return.   And that is vaccination.  History tells us that.  The alternative of just letting things go and relying on natural immunity would eventually work but at the cost of millions more lives. 

13 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

And that's because the government in all phases is systemically corrupt and incompetent and pretty much lies about everything.  Confronted by that reality why should anyone trust them with their health?

Is your answer anarchy?

[TSOL]

14 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

And that's because the government in all phases is systemically corrupt and incompetent and pretty much lies about everything.  Confronted by that reality why should anyone trust them with their health?

 

 

This is so true.

 

The story about the virus that we, the general public, get is 100% NOT the real story. 

 

The information we get is sifted through, cleaned up, homogenized, and pre packaged for mass consumption. 

 

Think for yourselves... 

[Big Gun]

18 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

I would refute your points but it is clear you have neither the education or willingness to understand anything scientific.

You're to ignorant and dumb to understand what is really going on, think genocide, watch a Bill Gates video on depopulation, listen to actual doctors who say don't get vaxxed, research what is happening in Israel, UK, etc, you won't because you think you are the smartest guy in the room, amiright! GFY!

Just now, Big Gun said:

You're to ignorant and dumb to understand what is really going on, it's over 99% survivable so why the vax? think genocide, watch a Bill Gates video on depopulation, listen to actual doctors who say don't get vaxxed, research what is happening in Israel, UK, etc, you won't because you think you are the smartest guy in the room, amiright! GFY!

 

[JaCrispy]

Millions of people in this country have natural immunity...if there is vaccine hesitancy, it is because it is your natural instincts telling you that something just doesn’t add up, with the way the government is purposely ignoring natural immunity...

 

Trust your instincts...👍

Edited September 18, 2021 by JaCrispy

[SCBills]

13 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Millions of people in this country have natural immunity...if there is vaccine hesitancy, it is because it is your natural instincts telling you that something just doesn’t add up, with the way the government is purposely ignoring natural immunity...

 

Trust your instincts...👍

To make this Bills related, it’s so obvious that this doesn’t add up when Highmark/Erie County enforces a vaccine only mandate, while ignoring negative tests.   
 

It’s a very common protocol in non-blue controlled areas where covid protocols are observed.  A vaccinated person can have covid.. The negative test within 72 hours is much less likely to be transmitting covid at the game. 
 

If this was about safety, negative tests are much more safe than a non-tested vaccinated person that may be exposed to, or have covid, while we know they can also transmit or catch covid.  
 

But it’s not.. it’s about control.  And for whatever reason, vaccination = control.  
 

Even worse, when this topic is discussed on the main board, half our posters completely buy into this policy making sense, and get annoyed at anyone who questions it.  It shows how deep the fear and propaganda has taken hold.  
 

I made the point that Erie County is using the Bills as a cudgel to force vaccination, knowing how passionate the fanbase is.   Yet, the other half on this board don’t see it… It’s incredibly obvious that this is what’s happening.  
 

I find it so frustrating that politicians won’t be honest with us.  Just admit that the Bills are being used to drive up vax numbers.  Don’t lie and tell me it’s about stadium safety, because that’s a lie, and now I have reason to not trust you. 

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

Is your answer anarchy?

Truth, honesty, integrity.  Other novel concepts like service and duty.  Making decisions based on facts and not politics.  Leadership that believe the role of government, and the sole reason for its existence, is to serve the needs of its citizens.   

Edited September 18, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills

[JaCrispy]

41 minutes ago, SCBills said:

To make this Bills related, it’s so obvious that this doesn’t add up when Highmark/Erie County enforces a vaccine only mandate, while ignoring negative tests.   
 

It’s a very common protocol in non-blue controlled areas where covid protocols are observed.  A vaccinated person can have covid.. The negative test within 72 hours is much less likely to be transmitting covid at the game. 
 

If this was about safety, negative tests are much more safe than a non-tested vaccinated person that may be exposed to, or have covid, while we know they can also transmit or catch covid.  
 

But it’s not.. it’s about control.  And for whatever reason, vaccination = control.  
 

Even worse, when this topic is discussed on the main board, half our posters completely buy into this policy making sense, and get annoyed at anyone who questions it.  It shows how deep the fear and propaganda has taken hold.  
 

I made the point that Erie County is using the Bills as a cudgel to force vaccination, knowing how passionate the fanbase is.   Yet, the other half on this board don’t see it… It’s incredibly obvious that this is what’s happening.  
 

I find it so frustrating that politicians won’t be honest with us.  Just admit that the Bills are being used to drive up vax numbers.  Don’t lie and tell me it’s about stadium safety, because that’s a lie, and now I have reason to not trust you. 

A friend of mine said something interesting the other day that ties into what your saying...

 

He said, based on how illogical the protocols and mandates are, it illustrates that it’s never really been about the virus, the vaccine, or obtaining herd immunity at all- but rather the vaccine passports...

 

He said, once we start down that path, copying what communist China did, then the government can use passports for any excuse, by deeming anything a pandemic- guns, homelessness, global warming, racism, etc...and if you don’t conform, the State can dictate if you have a job, if you can take out a loan, whether you can travel somewhere or participate in society, and perhaps even whether you get to own your home...

He said it basically opens Pandora’s box to the authoritarian state...I just thought it was interesting because I had never heard it said like that...

Edited September 18, 2021 by JaCrispy

[SCBills]

Just now, JaCrispy said:

A friend of mine said something interesting the other day that ties into what your saying...

 

He said, based on how illogical the protocols and mandates are, it illustrates that it’s not about the virus, the vaccine, or obtaining herd immunity at all- but rather the vaccine passports...

 

He said, once we start down that path, copying what communist China did, then the government can use passports for any excuse, by deeming anything a pandemic- guns, homelessness, global warming, racism...and if you don’t conform, the State can dictate if you have a job, if you can take out a loan, whether you can travel somewhere or participate in society, and perhaps even whether you get to own your home...

He said it basically opens Pandora’s box to the authoritarian state...I just thought it was interesting because I had never heard it said like that...

🎯 

 

We could also ask out loud why the Biden Admin is hiring up IRS Agents and wants access to everyone’s bank accounts under the new legislation they are promoting. 
 

Back to the vaccine passport… Government, time after time, has shown that when they aggregate power, they do not give it back.  If we allow vax passports to take hold, they then become acceptable.   Once acceptable, they will undoubtedly be used to whatever the government deems necessary.  

[oldmanfan]

1 hour ago, Big Gun said:

You're to ignorant and dumb to understand what is really going on, think genocide, watch a Bill Gates video on depopulation, listen to actual doctors who say don't get vaxxed, research what is happening in Israel, UK, etc, you won't because you think you are the smartest guy in the room, amiright! GFY!

 

The fact you think Bill Gates is doing this says all we need to know about you.

[oldmanfan]

52 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Truth, honesty, integrity.  Other novel concepts like service and duty.  Making decisions based on facts and not politics.  Leadership that believe the role of government, and the sole reason for its existence, is to serve the needs of its citizens.   

I like this.  To get it we need a third party.

[Buffarukus]

6 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Point by point:

 

1.  I do not think the individual I was communicating with has had Covid and thus would not have natural immunity.  We are not sure how long natural immunity lasts as of yet as well.

 

the fact we are absolutely sure about a vax induced immunity but are not sure about a immunity that has millions of samples and much more time to study is at the very least incompetent or worse dishonest. whats is also strange is that people dont care as the ones in charge have been found to be one of those things repeatedly. you got covid? you may be in for some long term side effects. you got the vaccine you may be in for some long term side effects. anyone who says that's not true with certainty is lying. regardless i demand you take on both risks before i demand a answer for the most basic question when it comes to millions who have contracted this virus. 

 

6 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

 

2.  Congress screwed the small business owner.  I said at the time money should go to those businesses and not the large corporations.

 

3.  Before delta variant I would have agreed that children should be back without masks.  Infections and hospital admissions in children has risen greatly in children, because the younger kids can’t be vaccinated and they are being used as political pawns.  Kids should be back in school with masking as I have already indicated, all school employees should be vaccinated, and local communities monitor local infection and vaccination rates to dictate policies.  Masks work as a mitigation, I have referred to the data, and that is incontrovertible.

 

4.  Health care organizations like mine mandate Covid vaccination, just like we do for influenza and hepatitis.  Why?  Because the health of our patients come first.  That’s the bottom line.  I feel for our front line folks as I do for all health care workers dealing with this pandemic.  They have been jncredible throughout this crisis. But the answer is simple: get vaccinated.  Science says the benefits far outweigh any (mostly theoretical) risks, and health care workers should accept science.  If you work in health care and have been vaccinated for other things but refuse Covid you have no leg to stand on.  

 

im glad you agree with alot of the examples i made. i understand your points. i was not talking specifically about your views on them. im talking about the narrative that these things were done and half the country having zero interest in coming together on them and actually vilifying people who did nothing wrong. but thats in the past lets work together now. that's not really how things work. regardless, there are issue with public saftey on a host of topics. driving after a certain age becomes much more likely to get into accidents. how about we come together to stop people in a age group from driving. look at the data! you dont want people to needlessly die do you? i dont care about your particular circumstance or reasoning you feel you can be in control of the saftey of yourself and others. your in that group so do what is right and sell your car and use public transportation or ill take it. that's fundamentally wrong just as some of my examples. i would be against it because i understand the risks of sharing the road with all sorts of threats. its a downside of a free society. the big difference is there is no way to protect myself and loved ones from you as a potential threat in that situation. where you can get vaxed and feel secure you are protected from the unvaxed. I'm sure you will have a difference that explains it but its the same principal. 

 

6 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

 

5.  What you call flip flopping is oftentimes how science and medicine work in a situation like a pandemic involving a new virus.  As new data comes in you adjust recommendations.  That said, communication should have been clearer in the last and current administration.

 

my background is in a science based field. i understand the scientific method. you do not go out to the public with recommendations or mandates based on incomplete conclusions.  you say we are still investigating that but could be wrong. honest and transparent. the worst possible thing you can do is dilute and change a certainty or allow any bias into the conversation. its there in BOTH administrations. hell biden just got nixed on his boosters for all plan because thankfully the scientist say that is jumping the gun. they resisted probably alot of administrative pressure to do that. responding to any propaganda directly to be clear not censoring it in secrecy. having bogus stories that are easily debunked about horse paste ect ect. skeptical and fear will be the the result of all this and it could have been avoided. i don't blame anyone but the ones in charge. not my neighbor for his reluctance.

 

6 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

 

Your comments seem to ignore how you best deal with a viral pandemic.  You band together as a people and a community and do the things science tells you that work to halt progress and allow our way of life and economy to return.   And that is vaccination. History tells us that.  The alternative of just letting things go and relying on natural immunity would eventually work but at the cost of millions more lives. 

 

 

i agree but you cant just reach the endpoint of a public that feels safe and confident in a vaccine when the entire time there are examples like the ones i stated. hey i know we vilified you when you had your rally but not ours. i know we told you mask, then dont, no 2, wait 1, 3 masks! i know we called lab leak a conspiracy, it is one. no its not. i know the top expert who is giving you all this info was directly involved in dangerous research that we continued with, just hidden outside the country. boosters are needed for everyone no boosters are only needed for vulnerable. on and on. but believe us this time...or else. 

 

no idea why we cant come together? 

 

sorry for the long write up. i felt your response was well thought out and articulated. we may not agree but its worth the effort in your case. i find that rare on this section.

 

Edited September 18, 2021 by Buffarukus

[reddogblitz]

7 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

Millions of people in this country have natural immunity...if there is vaccine hesitancy, it is because it is your natural instincts telling you that something just doesn’t add up, with the way the government is purposely ignoring natural immunity...

 

Trust your instincts...👍

 

Here's one thing I've been wondering about this natural immunity thing.

 

presently we have 64% of Americans with at least one dose.  We have had 43,000,000 cases (13%).  We should now be at 77% of Americans walking around with immunity.  Perhaps double or triple if we factor in asymptomatic or low symptom cases would put us at 80 - 93%.

 

This would be some serious herd immunity. So where are the cases coming from?  My instincts are telling me something is not adding up.

 

Of course these are not mutually exclusive groups, but we should definitely be 75%+.

 

 

Edited September 18, 2021 by reddogblitz

[All_Pro_Bills]

1 hour ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Here's one thing I've been wondering about this natural immunity thing.

 

presently we have 64% of Americans with at least one dose.  We have had 43,000,000 cases (13%).  We should now be at 77% of Americans walking around with immunity.  Perhaps double or triple if we factor in asymptomatic or low symptom cases would put us at 80 - 93%.

 

This would be some serious herd immunity. So where are the cases coming from?  My instincts are telling me something is not adding up.

 

Of course these are not mutually exclusive groups, but we should definitely be 75%+.

 

 

What hasn't natural immunity been recognized and acknowledged?  Good question.

 

Why haven't effective MAB treatments been publicized and distributed more widely and effectively?

Why haven't "instant" COVID tests like InteliSwab been deployed and utilized for events, public gatherings, schools, and perhaps sports teams?  Tests that can generate an accurate positive/negative result in about 15 minutes.

Why hasn't a policy of pre-emptive treatment of family groups when one member tests positive been promoted which were successful in places like India?  Rather than the go home and infect everyone else in the household and go to the hospital when you turn blue.

Why haven't any definitive FDA/CDC studies on mask effectiveness been conducted in 18 months?

[JaCrispy]

5 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Here's one thing I've been wondering about this natural immunity thing.

 

presently we have 64% of Americans with at least one dose.  We have had 43,000,000 cases (13%).  We should now be at 77% of Americans walking around with immunity.  Perhaps double or triple if we factor in asymptomatic or low symptom cases would put us at 80 - 93%.

 

This would be some serious herd immunity. So where are the cases coming from?  My instincts are telling me something is not adding up.

 

Of course these are not mutually exclusive groups, but we should definitely be 75%+.

 

 

Good stuff...I will also add that, if memory serves, I remember in the beginning of covid, Fauci and the government made mention of how natural immunity would be part of the equation for reaching herd immunity...and now it seems all that is out the window...

[oldmanfan]

4 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

What hasn't natural immunity been recognized and acknowledged?  Good question.

 

Why haven't effective MAB treatments been publicized and distributed more widely and effectively?

Why haven't "instant" COVID tests like InteliSwab been deployed and utilized for events, public gatherings, schools, and perhaps sports teams?  Tests that can generate an accurate positive/negative result in about 15 minutes.

Why hasn't a policy of pre-emptive treatment of family groups when one member tests positive been promoted which were successful in places like India?  Rather than the go home and infect everyone else in the household and go to the hospital when you turn blue.

Why haven't any definitive FDA/CDC studies on mask effectiveness been conducted in 18 months?

Some good points.  Two specific response:

 

1.  Regeneron  (the monoclonal treatment)  is well known in the medical community. But I believe a dose of it costs around a thousand dollars while the vaccine costs the patient nothing.  An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

 

2.  I did a search of Covid and masks on Medline and over 2000 references showed up.  I mentioned this earlier but will do so again.  Reviewing the first 200 there were about 20 specifically addressing mask effectiveness, all showing beneficial effects of masks as a mitigating factor against droplet and aerosol spread.  The studies are out there, the CDC lists them, the data overwhelmingly supports their use, but the non-believers refuse to believe data.

Edited September 19, 2021 by oldmanfan

[reddogblitz]

4 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

What hasn't natural immunity been recognized and acknowledged?  Good question.

 

Why haven't effective MAB treatments been publicized and distributed more widely and effectively?

Why haven't "instant" COVID tests like InteliSwab been deployed and utilized for events, public gatherings, schools, and perhaps sports teams?  Tests that can generate an accurate positive/negative result in about 15 minutes.

Why hasn't a policy of pre-emptive treatment of family groups when one member tests positive been promoted which were successful in places like India?  Rather than the go home and infect everyone else in the household and go to the hospital when you turn blue.

Why haven't any definitive FDA/CDC studies on mask effectiveness been conducted in 18 months?

 

Have You ever taken one of these instant tests?  

 

I took 2 last week because we were going to see my 89 year old Mother-in-law.  You have to carefully follow the insructions.  6 drops of water in a small circle. after sticking it up your nose, Put the swab in and rotAte it 3 times.  The instructions even tell you how to get a false negative. Like if you don't use enough water or don't rotate the swab.

 

I can see drunks before a Bills game doing this LOL.

 

who is going to pay for this? Why should the Bills?  Get to the game 4 hours before it starts.

[All_Pro_Bills]

8 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Some good points.  Two specific response:

 

1.  Regeneron  (the monoclonal treatment)  is well known in the medical community. But I believe a dose of it costs around a thousand dollars while the vaccine costs the patient nothing.  An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

 

2.  I did a search of Covid and masks on Medline and over 2000 references showed up.  I mentioned this earlier but will do so again.  Reviewing the first 200 there were about 20 specifically addressing mask effectiveness, all showing beneficial effects of masks as a mitigating factor against droplet and aerosol spread.  The studies are out there, the CDC lists them, the data overwhelmingly supports their use, but the non-believers refuse to believe data.

Hey, I'll check the CDC for mask data/study.  Also understand some states foot the bill for MABS.  I've been researching about COVID DNA vaccines in trials.  Do you have any insights on how they differ from mRNA and what if any advantages they might have over what is currently used?

7 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Have You ever taken one of these instant tests?  

 

I took 2 last week because we were going to see my 89 year old Mother-in-law.  You have to carefully follow the insructions.  6 drops of water in a small circle. after sticking it up your nose, Put the swab in and rotAte it 3 times.  The instructions even tell you how to get a false negative. Like if you don't use enough water or don't rotate the swab.

 

I can see drunks before a Bills game doing this LOL.

 

who is going to pay for this? Why should the Bills?  Get to the game 4 hours before it starts.

Actually I've never taken any COVID test but I have a routine to evaluate my condition every morning along with taking certain vitamins and supplements plus moderate exercise every day.  And while I don't know specific instructions on all the instant tests the one I referenced doesn't have those complications. 

 

As for drunks at Bills games being able to comprehend simple instructions I've always believed obviously intoxicated ticket holders should be given a breathalyzer test and if they fail be refused admittance.  They are annoying trouble-makers inside the stadium and a nuisance outside of it.  Getting totally wasted when you're younger can be part of growing up but when adults with alcohol abuse problems that knock 15 to 20 years off their life expectancy show up staggering in public they just look stupid.  My fondest memory of my last Bills home game was of some staggering drunk spilling beer all over my buddies 10 year old daughter.  And I'm thinking "what's the deal with these idiots"? 

[SCBills]

9 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Some good points.  Two specific response:

 

1.  Regeneron  (the monoclonal treatment)  is well known in the medical community. But I believe a dose of it costs around a thousand dollars while the vaccine costs the patient nothing.  An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

 

2.  I did a search of Covid and masks on Medline and over 2000 references showed up.  I mentioned this earlier but will do so again.  Reviewing the first 200 there were about 20 specifically addressing mask effectiveness, all showing beneficial effects of masks as a mitigating factor against droplet and aerosol spread.  The studies are out there, the CDC lists them, the data overwhelmingly supports their use, but the non-believers refuse to believe data.

I dont know what states are paying for it, but Monoclonal Treatment is Florida is free, and something like 52% of those utilizing it are vaccinated. 
 

 

Edited September 19, 2021 by SCBills

[oldmanfan]

2 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Hey, I'll check the CDC for mask data/study.  Also understand some states foot the bill for MABS.  I've been researching about COVID DNA vaccines in trials.  Do you have any insights on how they differ from mRNA and what if any advantages they might have over what is currently used?

Actually I've never taken any COVID test but I have a routine to evaluate my condition every morning along with taking certain vitamins and supplements plus moderate exercise every day.  And while I don't know specific instructions on all the instant tests the one I referenced doesn't have those complications. 

 

As for drunks at Bills games being able to comprehend simple instructions I've always believed obviously intoxicated ticket holders should be given a breathalyzer test and if they fail be refused admittance.  They are annoying trouble-makers inside the stadium and a nuisance outside of it.  Getting totally wasted when you're younger can be part of growing up but when adults with alcohol abuse problems that knock 15 to 20 years off their life expectancy show up staggering in public they just look stupid.  My fondest memory of my last Bills home game was of some staggering drunk spilling beer all over my buddies 10 year old daughter.  And I'm thinking "what's the deal with these idiots"? 

I have not seen anything in DNA vaccines.  I’ll have to check those out.

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

I dont know what states are paying for it, but Monoclonal Treatment is Florida is free, and something like 52% of those utilizing it are vaccinated. 
 

 

It’s good Florida covers the monoclonal, but still it is better to prevent infection in the first place than to have to treat it.    I’d like to see the data on monoclonal being used by a majority of vaccinated patients because the data I’ve seen from Florida indicates over 90% of hospitalizations are unvaccinated individuals.

Edited September 19, 2021 by oldmanfan

[BillStime]

 

[Big Gun]

On 9/18/2021 at 11:02 AM, oldmanfan said:

The fact you think Bill Gates is doing this says all we need to know about you.

  

 

1 minute ago, Big Gun said:

Hmmm....... you're very ignorant, naive and not very smart, good god you effing dumb!

 

Starts about 2:35 right from Gates mouth, you tell me is he lying? Correlate with what is going on right now.  

 

 

 

Edited September 19, 2021 by Big Gun

[oldmanfan]

46 minutes ago, Big Gun said:

  

 

 

It’s not you effing dumb, it is you’re effing dumb.

 

Now go look up the definition of irony.

 

[Big Gun]

1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:

It’s not you effing dumb, it is you’re effing dumb.

 

Now go look up the definition of 

You know you lost when you resort to becoming the vocabulary police. Again you're not nearly as smart as you think you are, you're a legend in your own mind, hahaha.....loser!

[oldmanfan]

6 minutes ago, Big Gun said:

You know you lost when you resort to becoming the vocabulary police. Again you're not nearly as smart as you think you are, you're a legend in your own mind, hahaha.....loser!

Maybe Gates put a chip in you and affected your use of grammar.

 

I will guarantee when it comes to science and medicine I am smarter than you. 

[B-Man]

 

 

‘This is not science’: Ted Cruz and Thomas Massie comment on the viral video showing a daycare worker trying to mask a child

 

 

 

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/09/19/this-is-not-science-ted-cruz-and-thomas-massie-comment-on-the-viral-video-showing-a-daycare-worker-trying-to-mask-a-child/

[reddogblitz]

9 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

‘This is not science’: Ted Cruz and Thomas Massie comment on the viral video showing a daycare worker trying to mask a child

 

 

 

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/09/19/this-is-not-science-ted-cruz-and-thomas-massie-comment-on-the-viral-video-showing-a-daycare-worker-trying-to-mask-a-child/

 

As a parent I know if you let a kid get away with something by screaming and pitching a fit, you're gonna have one spoiled entitled brat on your hands. Good luck when he becomes a teen ager.  Didn't appear to me the kid was being roughed up.

 

Not saying I necessarily agree with the rule, but it is what it is.

Edited September 20, 2021 by reddogblitz

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[Orlando Tim]

3 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Fox News Poll

 

 

I don't care what others think should happen, I got the shot due to my own cost benefit analysis. Anyone who says a child should be forced to take a medication without a long term study for the benefit of older people is immoral. This is not smallpox, polio, or measles that is devastating to those who get it young, Covid in the young is usually a flu at worst. 

[ALF]

Covid-19 cases forcing hospitals to ration care is unfair and unacceptable, expert says

 

"We are at the point where not every patient in need will get the care we might wish we could give. It is not business as usual at your local health care system," Dr. Shelly Harkins, chief medical officer of St. Peter's Health, said.

 

"It puts our health care providers in a state of moral injury where they're going to have to see people die who they would normally be able to take care of," Ranney said. "It is an unacceptable state for us to be in in the United States of America, and it is not fair to those doctors, nurses, respiratory therapists, EMS providers."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/20/health/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html

[Westside]

21 minutes ago, ALF said:

Covid-19 cases forcing hospitals to ration care is unfair and unacceptable, expert says

 

"We are at the point where not every patient in need will get the care we might wish we could give. It is not business as usual at your local health care system," Dr. Shelly Harkins, chief medical officer of St. Peter's Health, said.

 

"It puts our health care providers in a state of moral injury where they're going to have to see people die who they would normally be able to take care of," Ranney said. "It is an unacceptable state for us to be in in the United States of America, and it is not fair to those doctors, nurses, respiratory therapists, EMS providers."

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/20/health/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html

What a crock of *****. This anti vaccination propaganda needs to stop. 

[T master]

22 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

 

 

[JaCrispy]

17 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

‘This is not science’: Ted Cruz and Thomas Massie comment on the viral video showing a daycare worker trying to mask a child

 

 

 

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2021/09/19/this-is-not-science-ted-cruz-and-thomas-massie-comment-on-the-viral-video-showing-a-daycare-worker-trying-to-mask-a-child/

This is actually quite disturbing to watch...

[BillStime]

9 minutes ago, T master said:

 

 

Ask Trump.

[T master]

What about these lets let the gov't implement the shut down of these choices so we don't hurt our selves because they seem to care so much for our well being . Which some of these need to and could or should be stopped but back door monies keep them thriving !

 

 

https://www.earthisland.org/journal/index.php/articles/entry/glyphosate-exposure-cancer-roundup?gclid=CjwKCAjw4qCKBhAVEiwAkTYsPC60iiP7l-jnYCUdJAthKsvVcFDtrUdVy9XTvlEv5_tDCgt25TMMcxoCh-oQAvD_BwE

 

https://theconversation.com/tobacco-killed-500-000-americans-in-2020-is-it-time-to-control-cigarette-makers-153611#:~:text=Tobacco use killed an

 

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2021/drug-overdose-toll-2020-and-near-term-actions-addressing-itestimated,pandemic killed in one year.

 

https://www.addictioncenter.com/addiction/addiction-statistics/  https://policyadvice.net/insurance/insights/drunk-driving-statistics/

 

 

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

 

This one is probably the most important seeing as they only tell us the deaths & not the amount of people that have survived the virus because they want to keep us all scared to death to believe that the only way to beating this is to take a vaccination while keeping most all other relevant info on how to beat it a secret .

 

Only one vaccination (i believe) is FDA approved the Comarity vaccine and is very hard to get and most of us only get the Bio N Tech version which was approved for emergency use . 

 

Then there is this if you still think they really care about anything besides the money !!       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL8i9KUEnog

 

 

58 minutes ago, BillStime said:

Ask Trump.

 

BLAH BLAH BLAH ! The same answer pertains to all things in the world IT'S ALL TRUMPS FAULT !! Your a Piece of work .

[BillStime]

16 minutes ago, T master said:

What about these lets let the gov't implement the shut down of these choices so we don't hurt our selves because they seem to care so much for our well being . Which some of these need to and could or should be stopped but back door monies keep them thriving !

 

 

https://www.earthisland.org/journal/index.php/articles/entry/glyphosate-exposure-cancer-roundup?gclid=CjwKCAjw4qCKBhAVEiwAkTYsPC60iiP7l-jnYCUdJAthKsvVcFDtrUdVy9XTvlEv5_tDCgt25TMMcxoCh-oQAvD_BwE

 

https://theconversation.com/tobacco-killed-500-000-americans-in-2020-is-it-time-to-control-cigarette-makers-153611#:~:text=Tobacco use killed an

 

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2021/drug-overdose-toll-2020-and-near-term-actions-addressing-itestimated,pandemic killed in one year.

 

https://www.addictioncenter.com/addiction/addiction-statistics/  https://policyadvice.net/insurance/insights/drunk-driving-statistics/

 

 

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

 

This one is probably the most important seeing as they only tell us the deaths & not the amount of people that have survived the virus because they want to keep us all scared to death to believe that the only way to beating this is to take a vaccination while keeping most all other relevant info on how to beat it a secret .

 

Only one vaccination (i believe) is FDA approved the Comarity vaccine and is very hard to get and most of us only get the Bio N Tech version which was approved for emergency use . 

 

Then there is this if you still think they really care about anything besides the money !!       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL8i9KUEnog

 

 

 

BLAH BLAH BLAH ! The same answer pertains to all things in the world IT'S ALL TRUMPS FAULT !! Your a Piece of work .

 

You can't even see the direction your party is taking you - and hopefully not, the country.

 

Pull your head out of your arse before it is too late.

 

 

 

[OrangeBills]

On 9/18/2021 at 4:59 PM, reddogblitz said:

 

Here's one thing I've been wondering about this natural immunity thing.

 

presently we have 64% of Americans with at least one dose.  We have had 43,000,000 cases (13%).  We should now be at 77% of Americans walking around with immunity.  Perhaps double or triple if we factor in asymptomatic or low symptom cases would put us at 80 - 93%.

 

This would be some serious herd immunity. So where are the cases coming from?  My instincts are telling me something is not adding up.

 

Of course these are not mutually exclusive groups, but we should definitely be 75%+.

 

 

 

Actually the incidence rate is 2x that 43m, the CDC recently announced that change as they've begun to stop lying to the public (although you won't read this in the NYTimes or see it on MSNBC)...it's now in the mid-80m range as they begin to execute the normal guestimates and extrapolations they do to understand the incidence rate of any airborne Respiratory virus.  Ultimately it will probably be another double to the 160-200m incidence rate (meaning most people have had it, like any endemic Respiratory disease).

 

Obviously, these dramatic increases in the Denominator work to seriously knock down the Mortality rate, which is why they've delayed these extrapolations because it undermines the fear-mongering message the Leftists in power want to project.  

 

We know the 660k deaths number is incorrect, I don't know anyone that's died from COVID, but I do know three people who were dying and in Hospice care for other ailments who were no longer being nourished who "Died with COVID", so we KNOW that number is too high.  So a Numerator that's too high, and a Denominator that is dramatically too low, means this Mortality rate will drop down into the 0.1-0.2% range like any seasonal Flu in the end.  

 

They don't want to address Natural Immunity because it doesn't bestow any power on the Leftist Democrat state they want to implement here.  

 

 

[Doc Brown]

4 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I don't care what others think should happen, I got the shot due to my own cost benefit analysis. Anyone who says a child should be forced to take a medication without a long term study for the benefit of older people is immoral. This is not smallpox, polio, or measles that is devastating to those who get it young, Covid in the young is usually a flu at worst. 

Good job.  Policy makers generally go by majority public sentiment though so it's significant when it comes to this conversation.

[T master]

24 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

You can't even see the direction your party is taking you - and hopefully not, the country.

 

Pull your head out of your arse before it is too late.

 

 

 

 

I am a independent something you chose to not read which i have posted in many of my reply's i make my decisions on my research not because one party or another tells me how to go about doing things .

 

I am a adult and i personally will take responsibility for my actions and will admit if i am wrong but only due to facts not someone else opinions such as yours (because you don't believe in facts) or by them pushing their believes on me by trying to scare me into making that decision i am not a sheople as some here are !!

 

I am a independent American adult & unlike a lot of people that would rather be told what, how, when, & where to do things or be led around by the hand i will determine what is best for me & mine from experience, fact based research & history of other actions past & present including our gov't .

 

Some choose to take or have a different opinion that's fine but don't push your BS on me & go do what it is you want to do and your out come will be determined by your personal actions and opinions that led you to it which i don't have a problem with but if you want to push bring it you won't like what you find as a reaction .

 

So you continue to believe the man you elected and the out & out lies such as the one he spouted while on his town hall TV show that

"If you get the vaccine you can't get the virus you are safe" & others like masks will keep you from getting the virus it may help but not stop it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIaul0U83d0

& all while they continue to keep all other relevant information and medications about your health & the virus as secret as they can but i will make my decisions not him !! Or you for that matter .

[Sundancer]

1 hour ago, T master said:

What about these lets let the gov't implement the shut down of these choices so we don't hurt our selves because they seem to care so much for our well being . Which some of these need to and could or should be stopped but back door monies keep them thriving !

 

 

https://www.earthisland.org/journal/index.php/articles/entry/glyphosate-exposure-cancer-roundup?gclid=CjwKCAjw4qCKBhAVEiwAkTYsPC60iiP7l-jnYCUdJAthKsvVcFDtrUdVy9XTvlEv5_tDCgt25TMMcxoCh-oQAvD_BwE

 

https://theconversation.com/tobacco-killed-500-000-americans-in-2020-is-it-time-to-control-cigarette-makers-153611#:~:text=Tobacco use killed an

 

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2021/drug-overdose-toll-2020-and-near-term-actions-addressing-itestimated,pandemic killed in one year.

 

https://www.addictioncenter.com/addiction/addiction-statistics/  https://policyadvice.net/insurance/insights/drunk-driving-statistics/

 

 

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

 

This one is probably the most important seeing as they only tell us the deaths & not the amount of people that have survived the virus because they want to keep us all scared to death to believe that the only way to beating this is to take a vaccination while keeping most all other relevant info on how to beat it a secret .

 

Only one vaccination (i believe) is FDA approved the Comarity vaccine and is very hard to get and most of us only get the Bio N Tech version which was approved for emergency use . 

 

Then there is this if you still think they really care about anything besides the money !!       https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gL8i9KUEnog

 

 

 

BLAH BLAH BLAH ! The same answer pertains to all things in the world IT'S ALL TRUMPS FAULT !! Your a Piece of work .

 

I'm trying but I cannot decipher this post.