It's Time to Mandate Vaccines

[SCBills]

2 hours ago, eball said:

Jesus I finally visit this forum to see what’s up and realize it’s infiltrated with morons.

 

The virus is MUTATING because people aren’t vaccinated and stopping the spread.  All of the “it only affects 1%” people don’t get it.

 

Get the frigging shot.  It’s safe and free.  Do it for EVERYONE, not for yourself.

 

So stupid.

MUTATIONS!!!  

 

Tell me your plan to vaccinate the entire planet.  And then keep the entire planet vaccinated with the necessary booster shots. 
 

Also, if you really cared about your fellow man - you’d also get tested everyday, since you can still… ya know… catch covid and spread it while vaccinated. 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

23 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Did I say I'm in favor of vaccine passports?

 

 

You may not be.

 

It doesn't matter.  

 

That's where this is going.  

[oldmanfan]

1 hour ago, keepthefaith said:

 

You couldn't be more wrong.  The vaccinated are being told to mask up because the vaccines only provide about 6 months of protection and our vaccinated population is gradually moving into an unprotected phase.  Many breakthrough cases are happening.  Just look at Israel cases where they vaccinated nearly their entire population very early.  Their case count is blowing up and is at pre-vaccine levels.  Link below.  We are headed to the same place.  In fact we are there, US cases are at November 2020 levels now.  You know who isn't getting Covid now or before?  Healthy individuals with healthy immune systems. 

 

 

https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/israel/

 

 

I couldn’t be more right.  Breakthrough infections may be happening with delta because the vaccines don’t generate an localized IgA response, but there is absolutely no question whatsoever that the vaccines protect against morbidity and mortality.  No question whatsoever.  Now, will boosters perhaps be needed?  I anticipate such, probably yearly with the mRNA technology used to rapidly create vaccines against new variants. But to say the only people not getting Covid are healthy people with healthy immune systems is wrong.  Plenty of physicians and nurses in my health care network will tell you so.  There was a great article posted by a pathologist at the University of Iowa on this I will find and post tomorrow.

[Big Blitz]

This article is essentially:  "The kids are going to be f...ed for some time, here is how we can get them more psychiatrists."  

 

If you were expecting "just let them go to school as normal with no mask" nah.  Too risky.  370 kids under 18 have died in 18 months.  

 

 

 

Children's mental health badly harmed by pandemic. Therapy is hard to find.

 

From June of last year to late this past spring, an average of five children a week were being admitted to the medical school's teaching hospital at East Carolina University in Greenville, N.C., after overdosing on medications such as acetaminophen, opiates, antidepressants and even Ritalin.

 

John Diamond and his colleagues had never seen anything like it. "Normally," he says, "we see five kids a month."

 

https://news.yahoo.com/childrens-mental-health-badly-harmed-180904337.html

 

 

 

Year 3 coming up.  Just a few months away.  Your rising Senior this year entire high school years might be without a homecoming dance.  It's very likely.  Please let that sink in.  

 

Lost childhoods.  Lost development.  Lost rites of passage.  Lost socializing.  Permanent trauma.  

 

[eball]

3 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Vaccination is NOT stopping the spread its limiting deaths and hospitalizations.  

 

So since it continues to spread among the vaccinated - does that mean mutations continue?  Serious question. 

Wrong. The vaccinated, even if infected, carry a much lower viral load and therefore reduce the spread. There is no question Delta and other soon to be discovered variants are the result of spread among the unvaccinated.

 

This is science, and it infuriates me. You non-vaxxers or anti-vaxxers are idiots and I absolutely wish every business in the country implemented a vaccine requirement. 
 

Oh, and I also don’t mind wearing a mask. They work too. 
 

I’m outta here. 

[Chef Jim]

5 minutes ago, eball said:

Wrong. The vaccinated, even if infected, carry a much lower viral load and therefore reduce the spread. There is no question Delta and other soon to be discovered variants are the result of spread among the unvaccinated.

 

This is science, and it infuriates me. You non-vaxxers or anti-vaxxers are idiots and I absolutely wish every business in the country implemented a vaccine requirement. 
 

Oh, and I also don’t mind wearing a mask. They work too. 
 

I’m outta here. 

Thanks for stopping by. It was very informative.   Come back soon ok?  

[TSOL]

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, eball said:

Wrong. The vaccinated, even if infected, carry a much lower viral load and therefore reduce the spread. There is no question Delta and other soon to be discovered variants are the result of spread among the unvaccinated.

 

This is science, and it infuriates me. You non-vaxxers or anti-vaxxers are idiots and I absolutely wish every business in the country implemented a vaccine requirement. 
 

Oh, and I also don’t mind wearing a mask. They work too. 
 

I’m outta here. 

If Delta didn’t originate in America, but you can still get Delta, and transmit it, whether vaccinated or unvaccinated - what are you going on about?  What’s your plan for the entire planet?

 

Yea, I get it.. The vaccine makes it so you won’t get as sick.  Awesome. Go for it.  Get a booster every month.  

 

Then shut up about it. 
 

 

Edited August 16, 2021 by SCBills

[Sundancer]

2 hours ago, keepthefaith said:

 

You couldn't be more wrong.  The vaccinated are being told to mask up because the vaccines only provide about 6 months of protection and our vaccinated population is gradually moving into an unprotected phase.  Many breakthrough cases are happening.  Just look at Israel cases where they vaccinated nearly their entire population very early.  Their case count is blowing up and is at pre-vaccine levels.  Link below.  We are headed to the same place.  In fact we are there, US cases are at November 2020 levels now.  You know who isn't getting Covid now or before?  Healthy individuals with healthy immune systems. 

 

 

https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/israel/

 

 

 

Another guy with the six months of protection line. You guys getting this from newsmax? The Trump blog?

[Big Blitz]

59 minutes ago, eball said:

Wrong. The vaccinated, even if infected, carry a much lower viral load and therefore reduce the spread. There is no question Delta and other soon to be discovered variants are the result of spread among the unvaccinated.

 

This is science, and it infuriates me. You non-vaxxers or anti-vaxxers are idiots and I absolutely wish every business in the country implemented a vaccine requirement. 
 

Oh, and I also don’t mind wearing a mask. They work too. 
 

I’m outta here. 

 

 

Well you're wrong I guess thats why you dipped:

 

 

Study: Vaccinated People Can Carry as Much Virus as Others

 

 

In another dispiriting setback for the nation’s efforts to stamp out the coronavirus, scientists who studied a big COVID-19 outbreak in Massachusetts concluded that vaccinated people who got so-called breakthrough infections carried about the same amount of the coronavirus as those who did not get the shots.

 

Health officials on Friday released details of that research, which was key in this week's decision by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to recommend that vaccinated people return to wearing masks indoors in parts of the U.S. where the delta variant is fueling infection surges. The authors said the findings suggest that the CDC's mask guidance should be expanded to include the entire country, even outside of hot spots.

 

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-07-30/cdc-team-war-has-changed-as-delta-variant-dangers-emerge

[Big Blitz]

10 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

Another guy with the six months of protection line. You guys getting this from newsmax? The Trump blog?

 

 

No.  The science:

 

 

However, in July, the effectiveness against infection was considerably lower for mRNA-1273 (76%, 95% CI: 58-87%) with an even more pronounced reduction in effectiveness for BNT162b2 (42%, 95% CI: 13-62%). Notably, the Delta variant prevalence in Minnesota increased from 0.7% in May to over 70% in July whereas the Alpha variant prevalence decreased from 85% to 13% over the same time period. Comparing rates of infection between matched individuals fully vaccinated with mRNA-1273 versus BNT162b2 across Mayo Clinic Health System sites in multiple states (Minnesota, Wisconsin, Arizona, Florida, and Iowa), mRNA-1273 conferred a two-fold risk reduction against breakthrough infection compared to BNT162b2 (IRR = 0.50, 95% CI: 0.39-0.64). In Florida, which is currently experiencing its largest COVID-19 surge to date, the risk of infection in July after full vaccination with mRNA-1273 was about 60% lower than after full vaccination with BNT162b2 (IRR: 0.39, 95% CI: 0.24-0.62). Our observational study highlights that while both mRNA COVID-19 vaccines strongly protect against infection and severe disease, further evaluation of mechanisms underlying differences in their effectiveness such as dosing regimens and vaccine composition are warranted.

 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261707v1

[Thurman#1]

4 hours ago, SCBills said:

MUTATIONS!!!  

 

Tell me your plan to vaccinate the entire planet.  And then keep the entire planet vaccinated with the necessary booster shots. 
 

Also, if you really cared about your fellow man - you’d also get tested everyday, since you can still… ya know… catch covid and spread it while vaccinated. 

 

 

 

 

Yes, you can spread it while vaccinated. But you're 90% less likely to get it. 80% less with the delta variant.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p0607-mrna-reduce-risks.html

 

And if you're less likely to get it, you're ipso facto less likely to spread it. Vaccination is the least you can do. That number will go up and down as more studies come in, as variants appear and so on. But limiting the spread is important.

 

And the plan to vaccinate the entire planet is simple. Day by day, inoculation by inoculation, do it till the disease stops going around. That's the plan, and it's a plan that has worked in the past, which is why diseases like smallpox and polio have been virtually eliminated. Yes, we'll never reach 100% ... some such as the immunocompromised should not be vaccinated, and it's harder to get to certain groups of people than others, such as people far out in the countryside in the least developed countries. And yes, some diseases have never been completely eliminated, such as the flu, and yet the deadlier versions of the flu did indeed get eliminated. Pandemics tend to end, and they do so much sooner when humans act rationally rather than following their facebook misinfo feeds.

 

Once vaccination is extremely widespread, we reach herd immunity, it stops being passed as much, it stops being carried, and when that happens, variants stop appearing and the pandemic dies down. That's how this all works.

 

 

 

Came here to share this sad article about Ben Franklin, "Ben Franklin's bitter regret that he didn't immunize his 4-year-old son against smallpox."

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/08/14/ben-franklin-smallpox-son-vaccine/?mc_cid=ece7b4632e&mc_eid=b891ab3b1f

 

Sad stuff. History repeats itself again and again.

Edited August 16, 2021 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

6 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Vaccination is NOT stopping the spread its limiting deaths and hospitalizations.  

 

So since it continues to spread among the vaccinated - does that mean mutations continue?  Serious question. 

 

 

Correct that vaccination is not stopping the spread. The evidence is that it is limiting the spread. Certainly not stopping it, but limiting it. And that is big.

 

You're right that it is also limiting deaths and hospitalizations. That's also really important.

[Orlando Tim]

8 hours ago, Sundancer said:

 

Another guy with the six months of protection line. You guys getting this from newsmax? The Trump blog?

I know there is not consensus but please answer this: why is Israel giving booster shots at this time? Or do you believe Israel is an incompetent country?

[SCBills]

Here come the stories of vaccinated people dying from covid.  
 

Two of them on the news today.  A 36 year old southwestern airlines attendant and a hospital worker.  

[Sundancer]

13 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

No.  The science:

 

 

However, in July, the effectiveness against infection was considerably lower for mRNA-1273 (76%, 95% CI: 58-87%) with an even more pronounced reduction in effectiveness for BNT162b2 (42%, 95% CI: 13-62%). Notably, the Delta variant prevalence in Minnesota increased from 0.7% in May to over 70% in July whereas the Alpha variant prevalence decreased from 85% to 13% over the same time period. Comparing rates of infection between matched individuals fully vaccinated with mRNA-1273 versus BNT162b2 across Mayo Clinic Health System sites in multiple states (Minnesota, Wisconsin, Arizona, Florida, and Iowa), mRNA-1273 conferred a two-fold risk reduction against breakthrough infection compared to BNT162b2 (IRR = 0.50, 95% CI: 0.39-0.64). In Florida, which is currently experiencing its largest COVID-19 surge to date, the risk of infection in July after full vaccination with mRNA-1273 was about 60% lower than after full vaccination with BNT162b2 (IRR: 0.39, 95% CI: 0.24-0.62). Our observational study highlights that while both mRNA COVID-19 vaccines strongly protect against infection and severe disease, further evaluation of mechanisms underlying differences in their effectiveness such as dosing regimens and vaccine composition are warranted.

 

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.06.21261707v1

 

Your data proves the point of how well the vaccines work. And now do hospitalizations and deaths for the vaccinated. I'll be waiting. 

5 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I know there is not consensus but please answer this: why is Israel giving booster shots at this time? Or do you believe Israel is an incompetent country?

 

I'm sorry, are you still not backing up your statement that in most cases the vaccine doesn't work after 6 months? 

[Sundancer]

16 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

This article is essentially:  "The kids are going to be f...ed for some time, here is how we can get them more psychiatrists."  

 

If you were expecting "just let them go to school as normal with no mask" nah.  Too risky.  370 kids under 18 have died in 18 months.  

 

 

 

Children's mental health badly harmed by pandemic. Therapy is hard to find.

 

From June of last year to late this past spring, an average of five children a week were being admitted to the medical school's teaching hospital at East Carolina University in Greenville, N.C., after overdosing on medications such as acetaminophen, opiates, antidepressants and even Ritalin.

 

John Diamond and his colleagues had never seen anything like it. "Normally," he says, "we see five kids a month."

 

https://news.yahoo.com/childrens-mental-health-badly-harmed-180904337.html

 

 

 

Year 3 coming up.  Just a few months away.  Your rising Senior this year entire high school years might be without a homecoming dance.  It's very likely.  Please let that sink in.  

 

Lost childhoods.  Lost development.  Lost rites of passage.  Lost socializing.  Permanent trauma.  

 

 

Hey you got something right! 

[Sundancer]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Here come the stories of vaccinated people dying from covid.  
 

Two of them on the news today.  A 36 year old southwestern airlines attendant and a hospital worker.  

 

Looks serious. 

 

[SCBills]

18 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

Looks serious. 

 

Didnt say it’s serious, but I can’t be alone in knowing multiple people getting moderately, to seriously, sick with covid - while vaccinated.  
 

We’ll see if these numbers start changing as we go on. 

[Chef Jim]

28 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

Looks serious. 

 

 

Do you think those not vaccinated understood the risks?