It's Time to Mandate Vaccines

[B-Man]

9 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Best thing you'll read today:

 

 

‘Imagine you’re a NORMAL person’: MEGA-THREAD explains in damning detail WHY people are vaccine-hesitant and it’s near perfection

 

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2021/08/02/imagine-youre-a-normal-person-mega-thread-explains-in-damning-detail-why-people-are-vaccine-hesitant-and-its-near-perfection/

 

 

 

 

 

 

I agree.

 

This is a long thread.

 

Like a super long thread.

 

But it’s well worth your time, especially when you have a chance to look back at the mess our politicians, public health officials, and media have made of the entire pandemic.

 

 

Here is his last post.

Konstantin Kisin (hee/haw)@KonstantinKisin

 

These same people are now telling you the vaccine is safe, you must take it and if you don’t you will be a second class citizen.

 

Understand vaccine hesitancy now?

 

 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, 716er said:

 

 

Too bad, you are someone who really could have benefitted from (actually) reading the thread.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 2, 2021 by B-Man

[716er]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

Too bad, you are someone who really could have benefitted from (actually) reading the thread.

 

Vaxxed and relaxed

 

Check out the data. Everything else is noise - and you're living in a boombox stuck at 11.

[Big Blitz]

Trump voters continue to refuse vaccinations in NYC:

 

 

 

 

24% of NYC voted for Trump.  

 

Someone needs to get these people on board the experiment.

[B-Man]

6 minutes ago, 716er said:

 

Vaxxed and relaxed

 

 

 

 

Uh, the thread wasn't about you.

 

It explained clearly why some people are still reluctant to get the vaccine.

 

You really could have benefitted by reading someone else's viewpoint.

 

It's healthy too.

 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

Why is this hard to understand? The Democrats spent an entire year making an international health crisis entirely domestic political theater ….and now that they’re in charge they can’t understand why half the country thinks they’re full of crap? Really? I’ll keep saying it…You’re in charge now Joe. Watcha gonna do? 

[Big Blitz]

 

 

 

 

My mind is just blown.  

[RiotAct]

53 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Trump voters continue to refuse vaccinations in NYC:

 

 

 

 

24% of NYC voted for Trump.  

 

Someone needs to get these people on board the experiment.

they’re probably watching FOX NEWS and OAN all day…. ugh!!!

[Big Blitz]

 

"Masks STOP transmission."

 

 

The entire population of the United States became virologists in the last 19 months.   

 

 

 

Hi Laura!

 

I've been saying the same thing since April...of 2020

 

 

Edited August 2, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Big Blitz]

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Why is this hard to understand? The Democrats spent an entire year making an international health crisis entirely domestic political theater ….and now that they’re in charge they can’t understand why half the country thinks they’re full of crap? Really? I’ll keep saying it…You’re in charge now Joe. Watcha gonna do? 

I've said it before the virus response is a crisis in confidence and belief that the government is no longer a legitimate and functioning institution.  

 

Why are you going to trust a guy that issued dictates that killed thousands of nursing home patients early on, fabricated statistics to lower the real numbers, and then denied any of it was his responsibility?  And on top of it got away with it all which only reinforces the truth the system corrupt.  And now is trying to get private businesses to do his dirty work so he can claim innocence if it all goes bad.  These same dick heads that flippantly violate and circumvent the law think they have any shred of legitimacy to mandate what other people are to do?  Then we've got a 1/2 dead president that works off scripted and staged media appearances that otherwise cannot string together two coherent sentences.  The question to me is who writes the scripts?  Everything is FUBAR'd.

 

I saw that former President Obama has a big birthday bash planned this weekend.  700 guests.  But I'm positive official will assure us this is in no way any kind of potential super spreader event.  Some excuse like all guests are vaccinated and tested.  Believe us!  Try that yourself this weekend with 70 people.  Assure everyone all guests are vaccinated and tested.  The storm troopers will descend on your property like there's no tomorrow.

 

 

 

 

Edited August 2, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills

[SoCal Deek]

34 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I've said it before the virus response is a crisis in confidence and belief that the government is no longer a legitimate and functioning institution.  

 

Why are you going to trust a guy that issued dictates that killed thousands of nursing home patients early on, fabricated statistics to lower the real numbers, and then denied any of it was his responsibility?  And on top of it got away with it all which only reinforces the truth the system corrupt.  And now is trying to get private businesses to do his dirty work so he can claim innocence if it all goes bad.  These same dick heads that flippantly violate and circumvent the law think they have any shred of legitimacy to mandate what other people are to do?  Then we've got a 1/2 dead president that works off scripted and staged media appearances that otherwise cannot string together two coherent sentences.  The question to me is who writes the scripts?  Everything is FUBAR'd.

 

I saw that former President Obama has a big birthday bash planned this weekend.  700 guests.  But I'm positive official will assure us this is in no way any kind of potential super spreader event.  Some excuse like all guests are vaccinated and tested.  Believe us!  Try that yourself this weekend with 70 people.  Assure everyone all guests are vaccinated and tested.  The storm troopers will descend on your property like there's no tomorrow.

 

 

 

 

They wanted to be in charge and now they are. After four years on nonstop whining I’d have that they’d have a plan to make peoples lives better….but nope, only worse. 

[Big Blitz]

Yes we do Ted.  Sorry..

 

 

 

 

Lunatics.  All of them.  People that think like Ted run the CDC

[Big Blitz]

 

[Big Blitz]

School District is about 225 kids.......as expected everyone thinks they have the cover of President CDC....and that no coincidence very timely statement from the far left AAP a few weeks ago.  

 

 

New Mexico Threatens To Remove Board, Take Over School Rejecting Governor’s Masking Mandates

 

 

School board member Leon Nall told The Daily Wire that school administrators and boards across New Mexico are fed up with Lujan Grisham’s health mandates. “Every school I’ve talked to supports me,” Nall said, adding that other schools just are not yet willing to “put their name on the chopping block like Floyd schools.”

 

“As you are aware, the actions above are inconsistent with the requirements put forward by the Public Education Department, in line with guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and/or guidance from the American Academy of Pediatrics, to protect the health and safety of staff and students, and to ensure continued access to in-person learning that is not disrupted by the spread of the COVID-19 virus,”* the memo said, according to a copy obtained by The Daily Wire.

 

“By noon on Tuesday, August 3, 2021, the board must take official action at a public meeting to rescind the actions listed above and/or to adopt a course of action that conforms to the published health and safety requirements,” it continued.

 

“A failure by the board to provide written confirmation of a vote rescinding the offending course of action and/or adopting a course of action that conforms to the published health and safety requirements by noon on Tuesday, August 3, 2021, or any further violations of COVID-Safe Practices, could result in adverse licensure actions against licensed individuals, suspension of school board governance, and other applicable enforcement actions,” the memo concluded.

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/new-mexico-threatens-to-remove-board-take-over-school-rejecting-governors-masking-mandates

 

 

 

So I'm confused Branch Covidiots.  

 

Local control in Florida - good!

 

Local control in New Mexico  - bad!

 

 

 

 

*2020 shutdowns and virtual learning didn't count I guess.  

[reddogblitz]

3 hours ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

I've said it before the virus response is a crisis in confidence and belief that the government is no longer a legitimate and functioning institution.  

 

Why are you going to trust a guy that issued dictates that killed thousands of nursing home patients early on, fabricated statistics to lower the real numbers, and then denied any of it was his responsibility?  And on top of it got away with it all which only reinforces the truth the system corrupt.  And now is trying to get private businesses to do his dirty work so he can claim innocence if it all goes bad.  These same dick heads that flippantly violate and circumvent the law think they have any shred of legitimacy to mandate what other people are to do?  Then we've got a 1/2 dead president that works off scripted and staged media appearances that otherwise cannot string together two coherent sentences.  The question to me is who writes the scripts?  Everything is FUBAR'd.

 

I saw that former President Obama has a big birthday bash planned this weekend.  700 guests.  But I'm positive official will assure us this is in no way any kind of potential super spreader event.  Some excuse like all guests are vaccinated and tested.  Believe us!  Try that yourself this weekend with 70 people.  Assure everyone all guests are vaccinated and tested.  The storm troopers will descend on your property like there's no tomorrow.

 

 

 

 

 

President Biden couldn't mandate masks for everyone cuz of the constitution.  Same would be true for vaccines I suspect.

[Coach Tuesday]

So I take it those of you quoting John Locke would have no issue with insurers refusing to cover hospital costs for unvaccinated COVID patients?  That’s now being proposed and it’s a far better idea than some kind of unenforceable “mandate.”

[plenzmd1]

15 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

So I take it those of you quoting John Locke would have no issue with insurers refusing to cover hospital costs for unvaccinated COVID patients?  That’s now being proposed and it’s a far better idea than some kind of unenforceable “mandate.”

so long as they can refuse hospital costs for smokers, obese people, drunk drivers, heavy drinkers,  et all...all for it

[BillStime]

it’s time
 

 

[jhh9327]

48 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

So I take it those of you quoting John Locke would have no issue with insurers refusing to cover hospital costs for unvaccinated COVID patients?  That’s now being proposed and it’s a far better idea than some kind of unenforceable “mandate.”

As the goal posts have been moving all along, this scenario will get extra fun when we get to the point where we are told boosters are required and creates an additional loophole for insurance companies.    

[FireChans]

1 hour ago, Coach Tuesday said:

So I take it those of you quoting John Locke would have no issue with insurers refusing to cover hospital costs for unvaccinated COVID patients?  That’s now being proposed and it’s a far better idea than some kind of unenforceable “mandate.”

 

58 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

so long as they can refuse hospital costs for smokers, obese people, drunk drivers, heavy drinkers,  et all...all for it

 

20 minutes ago, jhh9327 said:

As the goal posts have been moving all along, this scenario will get extra fun when we get to the point where we are told boosters are required and creates an additional loophole for insurance companies.    

This is Coach Tuesday’s semi-annual driveby in which he tries to make a poignant point as a “mic drop” moment, and then never returns when it gets dunked on immediately. We’ll see him back around Christmas.

[Sundancer]

22 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

There have already been some studies on this point. Seems reasonable for those who are not at risk. 

 

Long term immunity is only 18 months old so clearly we need more data there. 

[jhh9327]

12 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

There have already been some studies on this point. Seems reasonable for those who are not at risk. 

 

Long term immunity is only 18 months old so clearly we need more data there. 

Thank you for this (missed that the article was from Big Blitz).  My family is in this situation (COVID recovered and low-risk category) and it's frustrating to find so little data on the benefit of the vaccine in their situation.

Edited August 3, 2021 by jhh9327

[Sundancer]

7 minutes ago, jhh9327 said:

Thank you for this (missed that the article was from Big Blitz).  My family is in this situation (COVID recovered and low-risk category) and it's frustrating to find so little data on the benefit of the vaccine in their situation.

 

Big Blitz is a pretty dubious source tbh. And don't take my word or his word. Talk to your doctor. We're just internet people. 

 

Since late June in VA:

 

Edited August 3, 2021 by Sundancer

[All_Pro_Bills]

33 minutes ago, jhh9327 said:

Thank you for this (missed that the article was from Big Blitz).  My family is in this situation (COVID recovered and low-risk category) and it's frustrating to find so little data on the benefit of the vaccine in their situation.

What is frustrating to me is why health officials refuse to recognize the "natural" immunity that recovered individuals have through antibodies their immune system generated as a result of the infection.  Some 35M recovered and likely a lot more that don't even realize they were infected and recovered. 

 

The overall goal should be counting and focusing on the number of people that have immunity not on how many shots were taken.  This is not synonymous with the number of vaccinated.  The other part is those with natural immunity.  A simple antibody test will identify who has immunity and who doesn't.  And trying to vaccinate people that have natural immunity is in contradiction to the principals guiding medical necessity. 

 

Plus given the effective rate of the vaccines we should expect about 5% of those vaccinated to have generated no immune response which means they are under the impression they have immunity when they do not.  That's about 7 million people walking around thinking they have protection.  Which is a worse situation than being un-vaccinated. I suspect the break-thru cases are situations when the vaccine didn't result in generating antibodies rather than the antibodies didn't work. 

 

  

Edited August 3, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills

[Big Blitz]

 

 

 

Going to be years before kids eat in a restaurant again in NYC

 

 

Yep.  Systemic racism.  But they don't care this about making sure the racist Whites in Manhattan are fully segregated....I mean vaccinated 

 

 

Edited August 3, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Big Blitz]

 

[SCBills]

NYC is back!!! 🤡🤡🤡

[Big Blitz]

Per CNN, no vaccine no normal life....no questions asked because journalism 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Pegula's, who you know are.....not Democrats.....that threat to move to Austin, I have no doubt now that threat is 100% serious.  

 

Why would you live and work in a police state? 

Edited August 3, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Governor]

It’s a wonderful day today!

[Big Blitz]

RIP

 

 

[Sundancer]

1 hour ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

What is frustrating to me is why health officials refuse to recognize the "natural" immunity that recovered individuals have through antibodies their immune system generated as a result of the infection.  Some 35M recovered and likely a lot more that don't even realize they were infected and recovered. 

 

The overall goal should be counting and focusing on the number of people that have immunity not on how many shots were taken.  This is not synonymous with the number of vaccinated.  The other part is those with natural immunity.  A simple antibody test will identify who has immunity and who doesn't.  And trying to vaccinate people that have natural immunity is in contradiction to the principals guiding medical necessity. 

 

It doesn't matter to our vaccination to "know" this. We have plenty of vaccine (in the US). If someone had immunity unbeknownst to them and gets the shot, big deal. They should not [edit to add "not] have to do this but if it happens, it happens. 

 

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Plus given the effective rate of the vaccines we should expect about 5% of those vaccinated to have generated no immune response

 

You said this before. I don't see it. I see lots of studies about effectiveness in preventing Covid, not "no immune response." The study I see on antibodies shows 1 out of 182 developed no antibodies post shot. Do you have others?

 

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which means they are under the impression they have immunity when they do not.  That's about 7 million people walking around thinking they have protection.  Which is a worse situation than being un-vaccinated. I suspect the break-thru cases are situations when the vaccine didn't result in generating antibodies rather than the antibodies didn't work. 

 

  

 

Your first bold statement is only true if unvaccinated are not engaging in mass events, immediately quarantine on getting covid etc. That's an assumption I'd question. Your second bold statement is something we don't know.

Edited August 3, 2021 by Sundancer

[All_Pro_Bills]

8 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

RIP

 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

 

It doesn't matter to our vaccination to "know" this. We have plenty of vaccine (in the US). If someone had immunity unbeknownst to them and gets the shot, big deal. They should have to do this but if it happens, it happens. 

 

 

You said this before. I don't see it. I see lots of studies about effectiveness in preventing Covid, not "no immune response." The study I see on antibodies shows 1 out of 182 developed no antibodies post shot. Do you have others?

 

 

Your first bold statement is only true if unvaccinated are not engaging in mass events, immediately quarantine on getting covid etc. That's an assumption I'd question. Your second bold statement is something we don't know.

If you have immunity already then getting the vaccine is an unnecessary medical procedure.  And medical practitioners generally follow the practice of not recommending or performing unnecessary procedures.  This isn't some decision that should reside in the realm of government bureaucratic dictates.

 

My assessment of the first is based on the difference between perceived risk and actual risk.  In this case I think I've got immunity but I don't.  The second as I said "I suspect" is an "theory" that requires validation.

Edited August 3, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills

[Sundancer]

24 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

 

If you have immunity already then getting the vaccine is an unnecessary medical procedure.  

 

No disagreement there based on what we now know.

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

36 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

RIP

 

 

We can't let fear be the motivating factor the controls every aspect of life here.  And the issue isn't what restrictions we need or if you support or don't support them.  The issue is demanding that the fundamental principals of democracy be followed.  

 

Simply, what gives the Mayor dictatorial authority to promulgate and legislate law and restrictions on who can and cannot enter a private business?  What's next?  de Balsio telling residents of the city who they can and cannot allow into their homes?  I support common sense restrictions but I don't support the executive branch of government at all levels abusing "emergency powers" to so they can bypass the elected legislature where such actions can be debated among supporters and opponents in order to give the proposals a fair and public hearing. Is that too much to ask?  That we follow the process of elected democracy and refuse to cede power to dictatorial edicts.  

 

That's pretty much it.  We've got a bunch of petty wanna-be dictators that are drunk with power that are content with bypassing and ignoring the fundamental principals and mechanisms of democracy. 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 3, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills

[Big Blitz]

2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

We can't let fear be the motivating factor the controls every aspect of life here.  And the issue isn't what restrictions we need or if you support or don't support them.  The issue is demanding that the fundamental principals of democracy be followed.  

 

Simply, what gives the Mayor dictatorial authority to promulgate and legislate law and restrictions on who can and cannot enter a private business?  What's next?  de Balsio telling residents of the city who they can and cannot allow into their homes?  I support common sense restrictions but I don't support the executive branch of government at all levels abusing "emergency powers" to so they can bypass the elected legislature where such actions can be debated among supporters and opponents in order to give the proposals a fair and public hearing. Is that too much to ask?  That we follow the process of elected democracy and refuse to cede power to dictatorial edicts.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The selevtive choice of businesses alone should make this Unconstitutional. 

 

Pathetic.  

[All_Pro_Bills]

Just now, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

The selevtive choice of businesses alone should make this Unconstitutional. 

 

Pathetic.  

Assuming the courts have the courage to enforce those fundamental rights and courage is in short supply.

[Governor]

Time to pay the piper.

 

Vaccine Mandates Aren’t Enough. Make Unvaccinated People Pay If They Harm Others.
 

https://www.barrons.com/articles/coronavirus-vaccine-mask-mandate-unvaccinated-51627939803?mod=hp_COMMENTARY_1

[Big Blitz]

14 minutes ago, Governor said:

Time to pay the piper.

 

Vaccine Mandates Aren’t Enough. Make Unvaccinated People Pay If They Harm Others.
 

https://www.barrons.com/articles/coronavirus-vaccine-mask-mandate-unvaccinated-51627939803?mod=hp_COMMENTARY_1

 

 

Who they harming that vaccinated aren't?  The vaccinated are carrying around more viral load so...

 

I'll say this..."time to pay the piper" might be the most compelling scientific justification I've heard yet to get vaccinated!

[Governor]

6 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

Who they harming that vaccinated aren't?  The vaccinated are carrying around more viral load so...

 

I'll say this..."time to pay the piper" might be the most compelling scientific justification I've heard yet to get vaccinated!

It’s got to fit on a bumper sticker or Republican voters can’t understand it.

[The Frankish Reich]

De Blasio finishing up strong!