It's Time to Mandate Vaccines

[SirAndrew]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I've never had one company in my entire life asking for my vaccine status

 

I'd be much more worried about somebody who doesn't have the hepatitis vaccine than the coronavirus.. nobody's asking about hepatitis

Hepatitis is spread through bodily fluids, while COVID is spread via respiratory droplets. That’s an apples to oranges comparison. 

6 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

What's your basis for believing a corporate mandate would hold up in court?  And wouldn't a mandate generate the circumstances where the employer is assuming some liability for any adverse outcomes if they make it some condition of employment?  I wonder as I work for a fairly large health care sector company and while they are encouraging employees to get vaccinated they have declined to mandate vaccination.  So if experts are deferring this requirement how can the uninformed and potentially clueless make the decision to require it?  

I think the “experts” are deferring the mandate until the FDA approves the vaccine. I’ve included a link to a Houston hospital case. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/judge-tosses-houston-hospital-workers-lawsuit-over-vaccine-requirement-2021-06-13/

Edited July 24, 2021 by SirAndrew

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Hepatitis is spread through bodily fluids, while COVID is spread via respiratory droplets. That’s an apples to oranges comparison. 

It can Also be spread through food and water fecally 

 

A pizzeria in cheektowaga shut down because one of their employees gave customers hepatitis.. and they weren't banging.. it was transmitted through the food and fecal matter because he didn't wipe good enough or something and made food 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 24, 2021 by Buffalo716

[SirAndrew]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

It can Also be spread through food and water fecally 

 

A pizzeria in cheektowaga shut down because one of their employees gave customers hepatitis.. and they weren't banging.. it was transmitted through the food and fecal matter because he didn't wipe good enough or something and made food 

 

 

 

 

That’s fair, my mistake. Not to cover

for my blunder, but Hepatits A is rare compared to COVID. That’s the difference, the Delta variant spreads like wildfire, while Hep A is relatively uncommon. 

[JaCrispy]

26 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Nah, I just don’t want to see it mutate into something that evades vaccine immunity due to an unnecessary high number of unvaccinated, resulting in unnecessary severe illness of my loved ones. Kind of like how I’m such an authoritarian that I don’t want drunk drivers on the road. 

I mostly agree with this. I think once the CDC approval comes though, people are going to be surprised by how many places mandate this. 

If you buy that, then clearly you don’t understand that these viruses are being manufactured...and so long as we keep buying the establishment narrative, they will keep pumping out new viruses whether we take the vaccines or not... they know they have won the psychological war, so there is no reason for them to stop now...

 

I simply refuse to play the “fear” game they are pushing...and if it means they kill me in the process, so be it...that will just be blood on their hands, and I will be able to “exit stage left” before the world really goes to hell in a handbag...

 

And remember, people who have taken the vaccine shouldn’t fear the virus, right? Funny how those people seem to be the most afraid...sad...

Edited July 24, 2021 by JaCrispy

[All_Pro_Bills]

 

14 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

That’s fair, my mistake. Not to cover

for my blunder, but Hepatits A is rare compared to COVID. That’s the difference, the Delta variant spreads like wildfire, while Hep A is relatively uncommon. 

But the COVID vaccines were not developed to target Delta.  And are less effective against it.  And Delta might be more infectious but it will likely be less lethal.  So a goal of preventing serious illness and death is more realistic than a goal of stopping the spread.  That can be done by identifying and protecting those most at risk.  Its going to spread regardless of whether people get the current vaccines or not.  Unless somebody can rush out a vaccine that targets Delta.  I don't know if that's possible.  Its going to spread regardless of lockdowns that are not going to be successful as the previous lockdowns didn't do much of anything except cause a lot of economic harm with adverse social impacts like a big increase in suicides, drug and alcohol abuse, and depression. 

 

My belief is we're just going to have to ride out this wave and make due.  The wave should produce a lower case count, a shorter cycle, and a much lower death rate.  And subsequent waves should follow the pattern until it fades over time.

Edited July 24, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills

[Niagara Bill]

38 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

It can Also be spread through food and water fecally 

 

A pizzeria in cheektowaga shut down because one of their employees gave customers hepatitis.. and they weren't banging.. it was transmitted through the food and fecal matter because he didn't wipe good enough or something and made food 

 

 

 

 

Ok, you win this debate...Cheektowaga was the magic word...and as Groucho said...."say the magic word, win a hundred dolla"

[SirAndrew]

48 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

If you buy that, then clearly you don’t understand that these viruses are being manufactured...and so long as we keep buying the establishment narrative, they will keep pumping out new viruses whether we take the vaccines or not... they know they have won the psychological war, so there is no reason for them to stop now...

 

I simply refuse to play the “fear” game they are pushing...and if it means they kill me in the process, so be it...that will just be blood on their hands, and I will be able to “exit stage left” before the world really goes to hell in a handbag...

 

And remember, people who have taken the vaccine shouldn’t fear the virus, right? Funny how those people seem to be the most afraid...sad...

If you had only written the first paragraph, I would have fully understood your take, but the second paragraph adds the, “you’re afraid” stuff that anti-vaccine folks turn to. In your first paragraph you explain that you believe any vaccine is a futile effort, because a continuing virus threat that

will escalate is about to occur. While I don’t necessarily agree, I can understand why you’d be against it. That doesn’t mean you don’t care about others. It just shows that you believe it’s futile, I can respect that.
 

You just lose me with the second paragraph. It makes sense that people who got the vaccine are more likely to be cautious, because people who don’t get the vaccine are less afraid, or they would get the vaccine. I believe the vaccine is effective. My concern is simply more mutations due to high numbers of unvaccinated. I’m not “fearing the virus” now, but more fearing the future. Your take that it’s all manipulated would allow me to understand why you don’t believe in the vaccine. The take of, “you got your vaccine, why do you care if I got mine ?” is scientifically flawed. I don’t mind dissenting opinions. I just like when they make sense. Your first paragraph explains it much better than the old, “why does it matter what I do ?” take. I do appreciate the civil response by PPP standards though 😆 

14 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said:

Ok, you win this debate...Cheektowaga was the magic word...and as Groucho said...."say the magic word, win a hundred dolla"

Isn’t Cheektowaga always the magic word ? I’m quite sure there’s a lot more going around Cheektowaga establishments than just HEP A. 

Edited July 24, 2021 by SirAndrew

[Buffalo716]

18 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

If you had only written the first paragraph, I would have fully understood your take, but the second paragraph adds the, “you’re afraid” stuff that anti-vaccine folks turn to. In your first paragraph you explain that you believe any vaccine is a futile effort, because a continuing virus threat that

will escalate is about to occur. While I don’t necessarily agree, I can understand why you’d be against it. That doesn’t mean you don’t care about others. It just shows that you believe it’s futile, I can respect that.
 

You just lose me with the second paragraph. It makes sense that people who got the vaccine are more likely to be cautious, because people who don’t get the vaccine are less afraid, or they would get the vaccine. I believe the vaccine is effective. My concern is simply more mutations due to high numbers of unvaccinated. I’m not “fearing the virus” now, but more fearing the future. Your take that it’s all manipulated would allow me to understand why you don’t believe in the vaccine. The take of, “you got your vaccine, why do you care if I got mine ?” is scientifically flawed. I don’t mind dissenting opinions. I just like when they make sense. Your first paragraph explains it much better than the old, “why does it matter what I do ?” take. I do appreciate the civil response by PPP standards though 😆 

Isn’t Cheektowaga always the magic word ? I’m quite sure there’s a lot more going around Cheektowaga establishments than just HEP A. 

It's actually cheektovegas ..

 

Any Western New Yorker would totally understand my reference

Edited July 25, 2021 by Buffalo716

[BillStime]

52 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

 

But the COVID vaccines were not developed to target Delta.  And are less effective against it.  And Delta might be more infectious but it will likely be less lethal.  So a goal of preventing serious illness and death is more realistic than a goal of stopping the spread.  That can be done by identifying and protecting those most at risk.  Its going to spread regardless of whether people get the current vaccines or not.  Unless somebody can rush out a vaccine that targets Delta.  I don't know if that's possible.  Its going to spread regardless of lockdowns that are not going to be successful as the previous lockdowns didn't do much of anything except cause a lot of economic harm with adverse social impacts like a big increase in suicides, drug and alcohol abuse, and depression. 

 

My belief is we're just going to have to ride out this wave and make due.  The wave should produce a lower case count, a shorter cycle, and a much lower death rate.  And subsequent waves should follow the pattern until it fades over time.

No one is afraid - vaccinated people did their part and don’t want to go back to masks and additional mitigations because idiots get their news from Tucker, Trump, Redstate and Brietbart and refuse to get vaccinated - thus f’n it up for all.

 

 

[SirAndrew]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

It's actually cheektovegas

Yeah, it took me a while to catch on to that one. I wasn’t sure if Cheektawarsaw became socially unacceptable or something 😆

Edited July 25, 2021 by SirAndrew

[John Adams]

6 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

27 in total out of millions vaccinated. Sick burn bro. 
 

 

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, SirAndrew said:

Yeah, it took me a while to catch on to that one. I wasn’t sure if Cheektowarsaw became socially unacceptable or something 😆

It's not hard to catch if you grew up around any old polacks 

 

Literally cannot pronounce cheektowaga to save their life lol 

 

[Ralonzo]

I honestly don't care whether the virus is being manufactured or not. Even taking into account that hospitals are incented to deem any death with a positive common cold test as being from common cold, the overall rate of death is... largely unchanged. Except, the flu has magically disappeared as a contributing factor. Instead, it's ZoMG!@! CORONIE IS KILL US ALLLLLL!!

 

Treating a bad cold as if it were the Justinian plague is nonsense.

[JaCrispy]

2 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

If you had only written the first paragraph, I would have fully understood your take, but the second paragraph adds the, “you’re afraid” stuff that anti-vaccine folks turn to. In your first paragraph you explain that you believe any vaccine is a futile effort, because a continuing virus threat that

will escalate is about to occur. While I don’t necessarily agree, I can understand why you’d be against it. That doesn’t mean you don’t care about others. It just shows that you believe it’s futile, I can respect that.
 

You just lose me with the second paragraph. It makes sense that people who got the vaccine are more likely to be cautious, because people who don’t get the vaccine are less afraid, or they would get the vaccine. I believe the vaccine is effective. My concern is simply more mutations due to high numbers of unvaccinated. I’m not “fearing the virus” now, but more fearing the future. Your take that it’s all manipulated would allow me to understand why you don’t believe in the vaccine. The take of, “you got your vaccine, why do you care if I got mine ?” is scientifically flawed. I don’t mind dissenting opinions. I just like when they make sense. Your first paragraph explains it much better than the old, “why does it matter what I do ?” take. I do appreciate the civil response by PPP standards though 😆 

Isn’t Cheektowaga always the magic word ? I’m quite sure there’s a lot more going around Cheektowaga establishments than just HEP A. 

I appreciate the well thought out response...

 

I guess I don’t understand the logic in taking the vaccine, if people are still living in fear of others...Isn’t the whole point of it  to live your life without being afraid of Covid? 

 

I have no problem with people taking the vaccine or not...clearly, those who don’t are aware of potential repercussions...So why the authoritarianism from those who are vaccinated?

This is a very slippery slope to go down, especially if you are aware of history, and understand that our government has lied us into every major war in my lifetime, and been less then forthcoming about every other major event...I mean, just look how many times Fauci has lied about Covid, just by himself...

 

And remember, every time the government censors information or tries to force us to go along with something, they always say it’s for our protection...”But we have to take away your rights- after all, its for your protection.”

Edited July 25, 2021 by JaCrispy

[Ralonzo]

49 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

And remember, every time the government censors information or tries to force us to go along with something, they always say it’s for our protection...”But we have to take away your rights- after all, its for your protection.”

 

Fur Ihre Sicherheit

[TSOL]

Maybe we could 'round up the unvaccinated 

 

And put 'em in camps, behind fences... Where they can't hurt anybody 

 

And give them treatment... And counseling... And thereby... until they decide to do what's best for themselves, and the nation. 

 

And just get the damn shot 

 

 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

What if they don't want to be protected???

 

 

 

"Officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are reportedly also considering more stringent mask guidelines. The guidance, which could urge vaccinated and unvaccinated people to wear masks in public and crowded indoor spaces, would be designed to protect unvaccinated people, who now make up almost all COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths."

 

"At the White House, we follow the guidance and advice of health and medical experts," said Kevin Munoz, an assistant white House press secretary, told the Post. "Public health guidance is made by the CDC, and they continue to recommend that fully vaccinated individuals do not wear a mask. If you are not vaccinated, you should be wearing a mask."

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/biden-administration-considers-stricter-mask-guidance-as-delta-variant-spreads-2021-7

 

Edited July 25, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Buffalo716]

10 minutes ago, TSOL said:

Maybe we could 'round up the unvaccinated 

 

And put 'em in camps, behind fences... Where they can't hurt anybody 

 

And give them treatment... And counseling... And thereby... until they decide to do what's best for themselves, and the nation. 

 

And just get the damn shot 

 

 

 

 

Maybe it will also come with a dictionary so they can spell therapy 

 

And of course liberals want to round people up like Hitler

[Big Blitz]

That's your mitigation justification.

 

We need to protect the unvaccinated.

 

 

 

That will never ever not be the case.  

 

Get a f...ing clue people.  

[BillStime]

16 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

That's your mitigation justification.

 

We need to protect the unvaccinated.

 

 

 

That will never ever not be the case.  

 

Get a f...ing clue people.  

I bet you argue with Stop signs too…

 

 

[JaCrispy]

19 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Maybe it will also come with a dictionary so they can spell therapy 

 

And of course liberals want to round people up like Hitler

Kinda creepy how matter-of-fact they are about “rounding people up”...the blood lust for power is quite palpable...

Edited July 25, 2021 by JaCrispy

[BillStime]

17 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Kinda creepy how matter-of-fact they are about “rounding people up”...the blood lust for power is quite palpable...

But you’re gonna bich about mask mandates and closures too right?

 

 

[Big Blitz]

5 minutes ago, BillStime said:

But you’re gonna bich about mask mandates and closures too right?

 

 

 

 

Viruses don't cause those.  

 

Lunatics do.  

[JaCrispy]

15 minutes ago, BillStime said:

But you’re gonna bich about mask mandates and closures too right?

 

 

Hey, if you wanna support fascism, that’s on you...but you’ll get no such luck from me...

Edited July 25, 2021 by JaCrispy

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, JaCrispy said:

Hey, if you wanna support fascism, that’s on you...but you’ll get no such luck from me...

Fascism - like 1/6? 

 

And karma:

 

[JaCrispy]

Just now, BillStime said:

Fascism - like 1/6? 

 

And karma:

 

[Chef Jim]

4 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

I've never had one company in my entire life asking for my vaccine status

 

I'd be much more worried about somebody who doesn't have the hepatitis vaccine than the coronavirus.. nobody's asking about hepatitis

I’d be more worried about TB. 

[Big Blitz]

These are the people in charge giving mitigation orders.

 

Sad and pathetic doesn't come close.  

 

They are mentally ill.

 

Narcissism off the charts.  

 

Our kids are so f.....

 

 

 

Edited July 25, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Doc Brown]

His body.  His choice.

 

 

[Big Blitz]

Israel says Pfizer Covid vaccine is just 39% effective as delta spreads, but still prevents severe illness

 

 

However, the two-dose vaccine still works very well in preventing people from getting seriously sick, demonstrating 88% effectiveness against hospitalization and 91% effectiveness against severe illness, according to the Israeli data published Thursday.

 

“We have to be mindful that, with time, the effectiveness of these vaccines may wane,” said Dr. Isaac Bogoch, an infectious disease professor at the University of Toronto.

 

He stressed that the shots are still highly effective in preventing severe infection, helping hospital systems not get too overwhelmed heading into the colder months. That being said, “we’re still in the Covid era and anything can happen,” he said.

 

 

 

Currently, less than half of the U.S. population is fully vaccinated, according to data compiled by the CDC.

 

“That is a rich and fertile ground for the virus to continue to reproduce itself and continue to create variants that possibly become more and more resistant to vaccines or natural infection,” he said.

 

WHO officials said Monday that the longer that people around the world remain unvaccinated and social mixing continues, the higher the risk of a more dangerous variant to emerge (why does this stop when everyone is vaccinated but the virus will still spread anyway?)  

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delta-variant-pfizer-covid-vaccine-39percent-effective-in-israel-prevents-severe-illness.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That being said, “we’re still in the Covid era and anything can happen,” he said.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 25, 2021 by Big Blitz

[Big Blitz]

10% of India is vaccinated. 

 

Cases have been plummeting.  

 

They have been fully open since June 1.  

 

 

Global cases are down 3%

 

 

All eyes have been on UK and the scary Delta in the last 2 months.  

 

UK deaths declined sharply despite Delta.  

 

Beginning around June 10, cases in the UK began to climb to where they were in the fall.  Averaging around 7K a day and peaking around 20K a day by July 1.  

 

Here are the deaths.  Now they might get to around 150 or so a day for a week or 2 but nothing remotely close to the winter peaks - but the cases! are close to those winter peaks.  The fear mongering is out of control, unwarranted, politicized nonsense.  

 

We are done here.  Delta is far less lethal.  That's why they keep harping on "contagious."  Viruses doing what they do.  Mutate down in lethality.  There is ZERO context to this by our leaders that claim they are "following the science."

 

No it looks like they are "following the money."

 

 

 

Cases! in the UK:

 

 

Edited July 25, 2021 by Big Blitz

[GETTOTHE50]

Im 110% against mandatory vaccines and I got vaccinated. And yes, I think it’s a good idea for mostly everyone to do so too.

If you don’t want to get vaccinated, then good for you, I don’t care. Let’s stop shaming others for not getting it. I also don’t care what anti-vaxers say or whatever info you put out there. Let them say and believe whatever, like I said, I don’t care. 
 

I wish the govt and media would stop trying to convince people to get vaccinated though. It gives the anti-vaxers more reason to believe it’s a way to turn us all into zombies or some crap. 
 

COVID is here to stay. Let stop making it a big deal anymore. No more mandatory masking, shut downs, social distancing, or vaccines. The vaccine is there, get it, don’t get it, get one but not two, who cares. Its whatever you want to do, but lets stop making it some pretentious and divisive social dilemma. 

[John Adams]

7 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

Israel says Pfizer Covid vaccine is just 39% effective as delta spreads, but still prevents severe illness

 

 

However, the two-dose vaccine still works very well in preventing people from getting seriously sick, demonstrating 88% effectiveness against hospitalization and 91% effectiveness against severe illness, according to the Israeli data published Thursday.

 

“We have to be mindful that, with time, the effectiveness of these vaccines may wane,” said Dr. Isaac Bogoch, an infectious disease professor at the University of Toronto.

 

He stressed that the shots are still highly effective in preventing severe infection, helping hospital systems not get too overwhelmed heading into the colder months. That being said, “we’re still in the Covid era and anything can happen,” he said.

 

 

 

Currently, less than half of the U.S. population is fully vaccinated, according to data compiled by the CDC.

 

“That is a rich and fertile ground for the virus to continue to reproduce itself and continue to create variants that possibly become more and more resistant to vaccines or natural infection,” he said.

 

WHO officials said Monday that the longer that people around the world remain unvaccinated and social mixing continues, the higher the risk of a more dangerous variant to emerge (why does this stop when everyone is vaccinated but the virus will still spread anyway?)  

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/23/delta-variant-pfizer-covid-vaccine-39percent-effective-in-israel-prevents-severe-illness.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That being said, “we’re still in the Covid era and anything can happen,” he said.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

IS data is a small dataset outlier at this point. UK, IT, CA data says 85% so far vs Delta. 
 

Seems like you didn’t share that data for some reason. 

[JaCrispy]

8 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

These are the people in charge giving mitigation orders.

 

Sad and pathetic doesn't come close.  

 

They are mentally ill.

 

Narcissism off the charts.  

 

Our kids are so f.....

 

 

 

Virtue signaling has to be one of the most unattractive traits in human beings imo...

[All_Pro_Bills]

3 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

Im 110% against mandatory vaccines and I got vaccinated. And yes, I think it’s a good idea for mostly everyone to do so too.

If you don’t want to get vaccinated, then good for you, I don’t care. Let’s stop shaming others for not getting it. I also don’t care what anti-vaxers say or whatever info you put out there. Let them say and believe whatever, like I said, I don’t care. 
 

I wish the govt and media would stop trying to convince people to get vaccinated though. It gives the anti-vaxers more reason to believe it’s a way to turn us all into zombies or some crap. 
 

COVID is here to stay. Let stop making it a big deal anymore. No more mandatory masking, shut downs, social distancing, or vaccines. The vaccine is there, get it, don’t get it, get one but not two, who cares. Its whatever you want to do, but lets stop making it some pretentious and divisive social dilemma. 

And I'm 120% in agreement with you.  Its doesn't make sense for some mouthpiece that is viewed as a consistent liar and untrusted source of information should be trying to convince the public to do get the shot.  The message should be coming at the local level from primary care physicians and other trusted sources at the community level.  Not some all powerful entity demanding obedience and compliance to their edicts.  That isn't working.  And imposing negative consequences for non-compliance is hardly within the realm of "democracy".   

And if you're vaccinated then you're protected to the maximum extent possible so stop obsessing about what other people choose and choose not to do.  And even with people that are hospitalized there are several very good treatment protocols, and others in the process of approval reviews by the FDA, the medical community has developed over the past 1 1/2 years that have resulted in greater survival rates and fewer critical cases.  The risk of death in healthy and younger people is close to zero.  The stats from the CDC and other sources support this conclusion.  If you or someone you know is at a higher risk then you need a personal plan to take the necessary precautions.  Stop with all the expectations that civilization must adapt all aspects of life to ensure your personal safety.    

[JaCrispy]

21 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

And I'm 120% in agreement with you.  Its doesn't make sense for some mouthpiece that is viewed as a consistent liar and untrusted source of information should be trying to convince the public to do get the shot.  The message should be coming at the local level from primary care physicians and other trusted sources at the community level.  Not some all powerful entity demanding obedience and compliance to their edicts.  That isn't working.  And imposing negative consequences for non-compliance is hardly within the realm of "democracy".   

And if you're vaccinated then you're protected to the maximum extent possible so stop obsessing about what other people choose and choose not to do.  And even with people that are hospitalized there are several very good treatment protocols, and others in the process of approval reviews by the FDA, the medical community has developed over the past 1 1/2 years that have resulted in greater survival rates and fewer critical cases.  The risk of death in healthy and younger people is close to zero.  The stats from the CDC and other sources support this conclusion.  If you or someone you know is at a higher risk then you need a personal plan to take the necessary precautions.  Stop with all the expectations that civilization must adapt all aspects of life to ensure your personal safety.    

I agree...but the authoritarian/fascist Left can’t help themselves...the lust for power and control is like a drug they can’t resist...and they’d love nothing more than to “put people in their place.”

 

We must all fight this as much as possible...for, if this domino falls, the radical Left will move onto the next item on the agenda, and then the next, until, what’s left of our free society, has collapsed into tyranny...

 

Shutting down churches, snitching on your neighbors, censorship of info that disagrees with the State, forced vaccination, spying on journalists, taking your guns, seizing your property..so on and so on...

Edited July 25, 2021 by JaCrispy

[SoCal Deek]

40 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Virtue signaling has to be one of the most unattractive traits in human beings imo...

This is less about virtue signaling and more about collectivism. Everyone has to do the same thing, think the same way, use and don’t use the same words. We all have to pay out fair share. We are all in this together. It takes a village. 

And once they have trained the American public to think this way the journey to complete centralized control is a really really short one. Game over!

Edited July 25, 2021 by SoCal Deek

[Governor]

12 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

I agree...but the authoritarian/fascist Left can’t help themselves...the lust for power and control is like a drug they can’t resist...and they’d love nothing more than to “put people in their place.”

 

We must all fight this as much as possible...for, if this domino falls, the radical Left will move onto the next item on the agenda, and then the next, until, what’s left of our free society, has collapsed into tyranny...

 

Shutting down churches, snitching on your neighbors, censorship of info that disagrees with the State, forced vaccination, spying on journalists, taking your guns, seizing your property..so on and so on...

What’s yours is mine. Do you have a nice property? I’m going to put an ugly trampoline on it.

[jhh9327]

Spanish golfer Jon Rahm had to withdraw from a tournament in early June that he was way ahead in because he tested positive for COVID multiple days into it.  He had recently been vaccinated ahead of time but not long enough before to be considered fully vaccinated.  He was allowed to leave isolation a week later after back to back negative tests.  He then wins the US Open the following week.  Asymptomatic throughout.  Now he has tested positive again right ahead of leaving for the Olympics and is out of playing there.   Something is majorly off with all of this.  If you want to say the positive is from shedding the virus still in his system from 7 weeks ago, is he a threat to anyone where he needs to miss the Olympics?  If he truly caught it again so quickly despite being vaccinated and already having COVID less than 2 months ago, then that is an even bigger wtf.   Who wants to take a stab at defending this? 

 

This is the type of stuff that, if the scientists can't figure it out and handle in a reasonable way, could bring the NFL season down despite their aggressive vaccine policies.

 

https://www.si.com/golf/news/jon-rahm-out-of-olympics-after-testing-positive-for-covid-19  

Edited July 25, 2021 by jhh9327

[JaCrispy]

2 hours ago, Governor said:

What’s yours is mine. Do you have a nice property? I’m going to put an ugly trampoline on it.

Good...and while you’re at it, you can fix my chimney...😉