India Walton

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

What made it good?  It essentially said nothing about Ms Walton.  It talked mostly about that mighty city of Milwaukee and how socialism made it mighty.  

 

Move.  

When you have generations of family here, it's tough to just uproot yourself

 

I've been thinking about this for 20 years.. but my parents my family, everything I have and love is here

 

But It might have to be done

[ALF]

The Common Council in Buffalo has been very moderate so far. I doubt she will get anything  radical passed. I went to Hutch Tech in the 60s and downtown and Chippewa  are massive improved under Brown. 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, ALF said:

The Common Council in Buffalo has been very moderate so far. I doubt she will get anything  radical passed. I went to Hutch Tech in the 60s and downtown and Chippewa  are massive improved under Brown. 

Brown was good for the city

 

He's not an avowed socialist

[Chef Jim]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

When you have generations of family here, it's tough to just uproot yourself

 

I've been thinking about this for 20 years.. but my parents my family, everything I have and love is here

 

But It might have to be done

 

Of course.  You have to decide which will make you more/less miserable.  Being away from family (you can visit as often as you like) or dealing with poor leadership. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

When you have generations of family here, it's tough to just uproot yourself

 

I've been thinking about this for 20 years.. but my parents my family, everything I have and love is here

 

But It might have to be done

I understand. Consider this, my full monthly cost payment for a 750k house in Maryland is equivalent to about a 400k house in Buffalo area after including property taxes. 
 

So if you aren’t socialist and are interested in building home equity, think about the difference. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

27 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

When you have generations of family here, it's tough to just uproot yourself

 

I've been thinking about this for 20 years.. but my parents my family, everything I have and love is here

 

But It might have to be done

It’s a shame to feel this way but I understand.   I live in Albany and love my trips to Buffalo to see family.  My children have been raised in Albany—love Buffalo,  but if they left (or we could get them all to collectively move somewhere where we weren’t shaken down) we would go.  Easy enough to fly in from NC as drive from Albany. 
 

As it stands, we’re trying to thread the needle with 6+ months elsewhere (Florida, perhaps)  when the time is right.  NY politically offers very little of interest to me. 
 

Good luck whatever you decide. 

[Big Blitz]

The only thing holding my few remaining friends or family is the grandparents.  

 

I've got a half a dozen texts in the last 6 hours alone :  "We're out."  

[Orlando Tim]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I understand. Consider this, my full monthly cost payment for a 750k house in Maryland is equivalent to about a 400k house in Buffalo area after including property taxes. 
 

So if you aren’t socialist and are interested in building home equity, think about the difference. 

On a similar note, in Florida we have a cap on property tax increased if you remain in your home of 3% per year. My house is now valued over 400k and my property taxes are still less than 2500 a year, not to mention no income tax. My friends in Rochester are afraid of the tax increase coming their way 

[Chef Jim]

30 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

On a similar note, in Florida we have a cap on property tax increased if you remain in your home of 3% per year. My house is now valued over 400k and my property taxes are still less than 2500 a year, not to mention no income tax. My friends in Rochester are afraid of the tax increase coming their way 

 

Ours in CA are capped at 2% a year.  Our base varies from county to county but ours is about 1.5% of assessed value.  I see NY is around 3% which is absurd.  Thank you California Prop 13!! 

[snafu]

4 hours ago, 716er said:

 

Good article

 

So NOW Buffalo is a "major American city".

Population, 256,000; 86th largest in the country.

 

Good for Ms. Walton.  Her winning the primary is a success story, but Buffalo ain't "major".

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

14 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

So NOW Buffalo is a "major American city".

Population, 256,000; 86th largest in the country.

 

Good for Ms. Walton.  Her winning the primary is a success story, but Buffalo ain't "major".

 

 

yep what a sad trend. Sounds like it might drop under 200k in the not distant future based on all the first hand accounts here. 

Edited June 23, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[The Frankish Reich]

1 hour ago, snafu said:

 

So NOW Buffalo is a "major American city".

Population, 256,000; 86th largest in the country.

 

Good for Ms. Walton.  Her winning the primary is a success story, but Buffalo ain't "major".

 

 

This is why it wasn't easy to find a lot of information on this election for those outside NYS.

"Minor city elects socialist mayor."

[Buffalo716]

7 minutes ago, The Frankish Reich said:

This is why it wasn't easy to find a lot of information on this election for those outside NYS.

"Minor city elects socialist mayor."

It's still the second largest city in the state and the metropolitan area is still top 50 in the country

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

yep what a sad trend. Sounds like it might drop under 200k in the not distant future based on all the first hand accounts here. 

Buffalo had the most millionaires per capita of any US city in the late 19th century. 😔

[Orlando Tim]

2 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Ours in CA are capped at 2% a year.  Our base varies from county to county but ours is about 1.5% of assessed value.  I see NY is around 3% which is absurd.  Thank you California Prop 13!! 

I did not explain it properly- my increase can only be 3% per year- so if I pay $2000 this year my max is $2060 next year- it has nothing to do with current value of house. As I said 400k house and 2500 is taxes is less than 1% of value 

Edited June 23, 2021 by Buffalo Timmy

[Chef Jim]

17 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I did not explain it properly- my increase can only be 3% per year- so if I pay $2000 this year my max is $2060 next year- it has nothing to do with current value of house. As I said 400k house and 2500 is taxes is less than 1% of value 

No you explained correctly. The tax base is the assessed value upon purchase. Here in CA that is 1% plus other assorted county taxes which can bring it up to 1.5% or more of the assessed value.  That can only increase a max of 2% (vs your 3%) per year. Now if you make improvements such as putting in a pool they can reassess.  Now try to get them to reassess when your value crashes like they did in the mid 90’s or 2008-2009.  😏

[Orlando Tim]

4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

No you explained correctly. The tax base is the assessed value upon purchase. Here in CA that is 1% plus other assorted county taxes which can bring it up to 1.5% or more of the assessed value.  That can only increase a max of 2% (vs your 3%) per year. Now if you make improvements such as putting in a pool they can reassess.  Now try to get them to reassess when your value crashes like they did in the mid 90’s or 2008-2009.  😏

California actually has an intelligent law? I am so confused 🤔.

[Chef Jim]

Just now, Buffalo Timmy said:

California actually has an intelligent law? I am so confused 🤔.

It’s the best one we have. The purpose of prop 13 was to keep people, mainly seniors, from losing their homes due to not being able to afford property taxes.  Seniors can also move to a home of greater value and transfer their tax base to the new home. That one is actually very good! 

[RiotAct]

First black female Socialist under-40 mayor in Buffalo history ❤️ 

[Buffalo716]

19 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

First black female Socialist under-40 mayor in Buffalo history ❤️ 

Everything about that is beautiful besides the socialist part 

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, Chef Jim said:

So is an activist who you want for your city's leader (not you Doc.  Buffalo)?  An activist typically doesn't serve the community. They serve their agenda and narrative.  Good luck Buffalo. 

Her previous experience is a nurse.  She's not qualified to be mayor of a major city.  There has to be some kind of behind the scenes work being done to run a viable candidate against her in November.

[SoCal Deek]

In a REALLY small city of mostly poor people she’s going to run out of other peoples money long before she completes her first term.

[Motorin']

10 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I understand. Consider this, my full monthly cost payment for a 750k house in Maryland is equivalent to about a 400k house in Buffalo area after including property taxes. 
 

So if you aren’t socialist and are interested in building home equity, think about the difference. 

 

A 400k house in Buffalo (at 15 years, 25% down and 2.35 interest) is about $2,500 per month after taxes.

 

A 750K home in Maryland (at 15 years, 25% down and 2.35 interest) is around $4,500 per month after taxes... 

 

That's 2,000 more per month buddy. 

 

At 30 years the Buffalo home is $1,700 less per month. 

 

Are you really trying to make us believe that the cost of property tax in Buffalo on a 400k house is as much as the mortgage on a 350k house with interest?

 

It actually looks like Buffalo homes for 300k have 250% lower taxes than Annapolis MD home for 300k. 

 

https://www.redfin.com/NY/Buffalo/35-Cheltenham-Dr-14216/home/79325783

 

Buffalo - $98 per month

 

https://www.redfin.com/MD/Annapolis/622-Wye-Island-Ct-21401/home/10452733A

 

Annapolis - $268 per month 

 

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

6 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

A 400k house in Buffalo (at 15 years, 25% down and 2.35 interest) is about $2,500 per month after taxes.

 

A 750K home in Maryland (at 15 years, 25% down and 2.35 interest) is around $4,500 per month after taxes... 

 

That's 2,000 more per month buddy. 

 

At 30 years the Buffalo home is $1,700 less per month. 

 

Are you really trying to make us believe that the cost of property tax in Buffalo on a 400k house is as much as the mortgage on a 350k house with interest?

 

It actually looks like Buffalo homes for 300k have 250% lower taxes than Annapolis MD home for 300k. 

 

https://www.redfin.com/NY/Buffalo/35-Cheltenham-Dr-14216/home/79325783

 

Buffalo - $98 per month

 

https://www.redfin.com/MD/Annapolis/622-Wye-Island-Ct-21401/home/10452733A

 

Annapolis - $268 per month 

 

 

I’m not trying to make anyone anything.

Maybe property values have changed in some pockets in the last 3 or 4 years and assessments haven’t caught up yet. My parents paid the same amount of tax on their 150k house in Williamsville that I paid on a 500k house in Rockville. And when I bought my new house here I found the 400k to 700k comp to be the case. 
 

But hey, if you love paying more taxes, please do so.   

[BillStime]

12 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Her previous experience is a nurse.  She's not qualified to be mayor of a major city.  There has to be some kind of behind the scenes work being done to run a viable candidate against her in November.

You’re kidding right?

[Shanahan's Horseshoe]

All of my buddies who moved into Buffalo to raise families are freaking out now.  Crime will undoubtedly go up even more and development will be stymied.

This is such a bummer.  It's unbelievable that anyone thinks Socialism is a good idea.  It's never been successful anywhere.   But I know, this time it will be different because a Nurse who is an intersectional dream will be the first.  Good luck Buffalo.

[May Day 10]

I'm left on a lot of social issues.  

 

 

This is a disaster.  Completely unqualified with no relevant experience.  Snuck in because the people couldn't even bother to vote 

 

Brown was a steady hand and buffalo has been moving in a better direction under his leadership.  He certainly has his warts and we can do better, but not this.  

 

 

We need someone who is friendly to business and big business. 

[Southern Bills Fan]

Just when it seemed like Buffalo was on the way back. This is why good people leave for the south, most don't want to but are forced by the reality of New Yorks outrageous taxes and socialist policies. All Buffalo had to do was look 90 miles east to Rochester and see what electing someone like this will do to the city.

[Motorin']

3 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I’m not trying to make anyone anything.

Maybe property values have changed in some pockets in the last 3 or 4 years and assessments haven’t caught up yet. My parents paid the same amount of tax on their 150k house in Williamsville that I paid on a 500k house in Rockville. And when I bought my new house here I found the 400k to 700k comp to be the case. 
 

But hey, if you love paying more taxes, please do so.   

 

You wrote that your total payment on a 750k house is the same as the total payment on a 400k house in Buffalo. 

 

For that to be true the property tax rate would have to be 87%. But the tax rate in Buffalo is 1.8%.

 

Idk man, maybe your parents were being assessed for a 400k house? 

[SoCal Deek]

So the real question is can she fix the Sabres? 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

10 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

You wrote that your total payment on a 750k house is the same as the total payment on a 400k house in Buffalo. 

 

For that to be true the property tax rate would have to be 87%. But the tax rate in Buffalo is 1.8%.

 

Idk man, maybe your parents were being assessed for a 400k house? 

I just checked, 2020 assessment $166k, tax $5103 for their old house there, 2020 assessment  $672k for $6480 here. 
 

if you think your taxes are better there have it bud. Maybe I found the two properties that don’t conform to the obvious tax shelter that is western New York… 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

27 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

So the real question is can she fix the Sabres? 

if she can do that I’ll register as socialist 

[Motorin']

18 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

I just checked, 2020 assessment $166k, tax $5103 for their old house there, 2020 assessment  $672k for $6480 here. 
 

if you think your taxes are better there have it bud. Maybe I found the two properties that don’t conform to the obvious tax shelter that is western New York… 

 

The city of Buffalo's property taxes are half the rate of Williamsville. 

 

Where I live, my 2 bedroom condo for $500k would cost $200k in Buffalo. 

 

But I can also charge four times as much for my services and have access to 10 times as many clients. So there's trade offs in anything. 

 

You can get a lot of house for your money in WNY, even with recent property value increases. And with interest rates being what they are now, the 3% annual property tax is negligible compared to the savings on the the monthly interest rate. 

 

Imagine buying a home when interest rates were double digits and paid monthly? Jesus. 

 

 

 

Edited June 24, 2021 by Motorin'

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

22 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

You wrote that your total payment on a 750k house is the same as the total payment on a 400k house in Buffalo. 

 

For that to be true the property tax rate would have to be 87%. But the tax rate in Buffalo is 1.8%.

 

Idk man, maybe your parents were being assessed for a 400k house? 

You wrote that the tax is $98 per month.  For that to be true, the tax on the house would have to be $98.00 per month.  That's just the county bite. 

 

If you feel there is sufficient value to the total property/school/other tax in Buffalo, thats fine, but the tax on the house was not limited to $98 per month (though it doubled since 2015). 

 

[BillStime]

Those questioning her experience... laughable.

 

This guy had ZERO experience:

 

 

And how did America end up after this disaster?

 

Ask the 500,000+ Americans who died during his term.

The Economy? LOL

TRUMP CARE? LMAO

INFRASTRUCTURE WEEK? When?

Peace in the Middle East? LMAO

 

Trump was right about one thing:

 

 

Funny, none of you questioned her experience:

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

The city of Buffalo's property taxes are half the rate of Williamsville. 

 

Where I live, my 2 bedroom condo for $500k would cost $200k in Buffalo. 

 

But I can also charge four times as much for my services and have access to 10 times as many clients. So there's trade offs in anything. 

 

You can get a lot of house for your money in WNY, even with recent property value increases. And with interest rates being what they are now, the 3% annual property tax is negligible compared to the savings on the the monthly interest rate. 

 

Imagine buying a home when interest rates were double digits and paid monthly? Jesus. 

 

 

 

The point was total cost of ownership including taxes matter when you examine monthly cost. Not everyone considers that when espousing the great home values. 
 

Can’t imagine Double digit interest rates… 

[Motorin']

2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

The point was total cost of ownership including taxes matter when you examine monthly cost. Not everyone considers that when espousing the great home values. 
 

Can’t imagine Double digit interest rates… 

 

For the decade of the 80's, interest rates never dipped below 10%. Peaked at 16% in 1981. Ah, the good old days! 

 

But yeah, Williamsville at 3% annual property tax rate does has 2-3 times higher property taxes than a lot of places in the country. As much as it pains me to say this (having grown up in OP kicking your ass in Lax on a regular basis) Williamsville has great schools. 

 

Sometimes you do get what you pay for.

17 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

You wrote that the tax is $98 per month.  For that to be true, the tax on the house would have to be $98.00 per month.  That's just the county bite. 

 

If you feel there is sufficient value to the total property/school/other tax in Buffalo, thats fine, but the tax on the house was not limited to $98 per month (though it doubled since 2015). 

 

I looked it up in the Erie County data base. They paid just over $1,000 for 2020. Are there two places to pay property taxes in the City of Buffalo?

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

7 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

For the decade of the 80's, interest rates never dipped below 10%. Peaked at 16% in 1981. Ah, the good old days! 

 

But yeah, Williamsville at 3% annual property tax rate does has 2-3 times higher property taxes than a lot of places in the country. As much as it pains me to say this (having grown up in OP kicking your ass in Lax on a regular basis) Williamsville has great schools. 

 

Sometimes you do get what you pay for.

I looked it up in the Erie County data base. They paid just over $1,000 for 2020. Are there two places to pay property taxes in the City of Buffalo?

Maybe, I live in Albany.  We can pay all our tax bills a number of ways--local bank, the assessors office, online.  It's very convenient. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, Motorin' said:

 

For the decade of the 80's, interest rates never dipped below 10%. Peaked at 16% in 1981. Ah, the good old days! 

 

But yeah, Williamsville at 3% annual property tax rate does has 2-3 times higher property taxes than a lot of places in the country. As much as it pains me to say this (having grown up in OP kicking your ass in Lax on a regular basis) Williamsville has great schools. 

 

Yeah you did kill us at lax. Although we came closer than ever my senior year in playoffs. I scored two on you effers that game in 1994. 

Edited June 24, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[ALF]

Starting to look like Brown's supporters will push hard for a write in campaign in Nov.