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Cole Beasley announces he will not be following Covid protocols, willing to retire


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8 minutes ago, Mojo44 said:

Recent polling, for what it’s worth, indicates that 65% of whites, 61% of Hispanics and 55% of African-Americans are in favor of vaccinations.   According to the report the numbers continue to go up.  Access remains an issue but it does seem to be improving. I do believe time is another major variable. It is also noted that minorities, particularly blacks, are somewhat hesitant because of historical issues and hopefully this will change in time. Interestingly, And for what it’s worth, 30% of white evangelical Christians are against the vaccinations.

I’d also guess the trend line in favor of COVID vaccination is positive, as has been the case for every single other vaccine in modern history.

 

Skepticism and fear will always predate acceptance and widespread use. Other posters reading “rightness” of position at this point in time is completely ahistorical.

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5 hours ago, H2o said:

Getting the shot also does NOT prevent you from getting Covid. There's a famous athlete right now, whose name I was told not to mention, who got his 2nd shot in February and now has Covid. There have also been others who contract the virus after getting it.

 

The vaccine isn't 100% preventive. No one has said it is. Too many people in this thread are using singular cases as evidence of something that no one is trying to argue.

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/why-measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html

 

To summarize - No vaccine will prevent 100% of cases. I believe even the measles vaccine has a 97% success rate. But all data shows the covid vaccine greatly reduces the chance of getting covid. For patients who get the vaccine and still get covid, the chance of them having severe symptoms and/or being hospitalized is greatly lessened compared to those who contracted the virus without being vaccinated.

 

Imagine the vaccine has a 95% success rate. If 140 million people are vaccinated there will still be 7 million people in that group susceptible to getting covid. A small percentage of that 7 million will develop severe symptoms and a smaller percentage still will die. No one has tried to hide this fact.

 

You can't use singular anecdotes when we're talking about tens of millions of case studies. Medical science is based on percentages and probabilities, not absolutes.

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4 hours ago, H2o said:

Again, if you believe the vax keeps you from getting or spreading Covid, and you have been vaccinated, then what does it matter if he's not?

 

See there's this weird double talk thing going on with the anti-vax crowd. On one side it's "the covid vaccine isn't 100% preventive so it's pointless to get;" on the other side it's "if you trust the vaccine why do you care if I'm vaccinated or not?" The two points answer each other. I care if you get the vaccine because some people that get the vaccine will still be susceptible to getting covid, and the more people that are vaccinated the less likely it is that the virus will continue to spread.

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Getting the vaccine is his choice and either way, still allows him to be employed by the Bills.  Not following unvaccinated protocol as a requirement of his employer is also his choice...as in do as your employer says, or you are fired. 

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13 minutes ago, ChasBB said:

Yeah, he's just a selfish punk - playing on a broken leg down the final stretch of the season and laying it all out for his teammates - how incredibly selfish of him.

 

There's this thing called The Bill of Rights - maybe some of you need to re-read it.


Read Pennstate's post two spots above yours.

Bills of Rights? Sheesh.

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5 hours ago, Little Dog said:

The only hammer and sickle is take the the shot or lose your job 

 

That's pretty much the exact opposite of communism, but okay.

15 minutes ago, ChasBB said:

Yeah, he's just a selfish punk - playing on a broken leg down the final stretch of the season and laying it all out for his teammates - how incredibly selfish of him.

 

There's this thing called The Bill of Rights - maybe some of you need to re-read it.

 

Can you clarify which part of the Bill of Rights applies here?

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29 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

 

My guess is there is a lot less hand-wringing about this going on at 1 Bills Dr than on this board...

 

My hope is that they will not be put into any tough situations.

 

My concern (I will state this again) is IF Cole does not follow the NFL/NFLPA agreed upon protocols what will be the result?

 

Roger Goodell is not going to be the enforcer.  That is going to be "delegated" to the individual teams.

Beane, McDermott and the coaches will have to handle any "violations".

 

IF fines and other punishments are handed out it will create tensions on the team in the minds of some players agreeing with Cole.

IF they look the other way they lose authority and the respect of other players who may not of got the vaccine but did it for the team.

The media will add it's IF's and a lot of other situations could arise.

 

I once again HOPE none of this will happen but I can see consequences in Cole's actions.

I don't envy Bills Management for what they might face.

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A few months ago, this board was talking about how badly we needed Cole for the playoffs. He toughed it out and proved who he is. Now people are saying to just cut him. Fascinating 

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29 minutes ago, ChasBB said:

Yeah, he's just a selfish punk - playing on a broken leg down the final stretch of the season and laying it all out for his teammates - how incredibly selfish of him.

 

There's this thing called The Bill of Rights - maybe some of you need to re-read it.

The Bill of Rights 😄

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1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said:


So CP3 got vaccinated and now will miss on a chance to change his legacy because he has Corona.     Woof. 

Kinda makes you understand why some folks like Cole aren’t interested in getting it. 

 

 

You do understand that logically, that doesn't follow?

 

Try applying that logic to another situation. 

 

Let's say seatbelts. 

 

"So TeddyKGB wore his seatbelt and was injured in an automobile accident.  Kind of makes you understand why some folks aren't interested in wearing them"

 

Whatchoo think of that logic?

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1 hour ago, Teddy KGB said:


So CP3 got vaccinated and now will miss on a chance to change his legacy because he has Corona.     Woof. 

Kinda makes you understand why some folks like Cole aren’t interested in getting it. 

 

 

The Vaccine does NOT prevent you from getting the virus.  It mitigates the damage on it.  You can NOT eradicate a virus.  Influenza killed like 50 million people...we still have the flu, just a very small percentage of people still die from it compared to before we had vaccine and herd immunity to it.  

 

I dont understand why this is so hard for some people to understand.  

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:


Just imagine a playoff game where we don’t have Allen or Diggs because they tested positive.

 

There would be a lot of suicide watch on TSW lol

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10 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

Hey Capco,

 

I can't think of anything more personal than what you allow someone else to put into your body.

 

Cole Beasley should have no say in what you choose to put in your body and you should have a say in what Cole puts in his.  Ultimately, that how I see it.

 

I think one of the biggest disconnects we are seeing with regards to this pandemic is the act of boiling down everyone to an individual and comparing one individual to another.

 

But that's not the correct framework.  Instead, the balancing act is between the individual and the group, and the group will always outweigh the individual when it comes to public health concerns like vaccination.  

 

This isn't the case of one person requesting another to take a vaccine.  This is a case of society as a whole requesting its individual members to step up to the plate for the betterment of society itself.  

 

10 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

I agree with you that vaccinations are a public health issue, but I don't believe that a public health concern trumps your right as an individual to say what happens to your body. 

 

The state has the power to compel vaccination.  Public health concerns absolutely trump individual rights in cases like these.  

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34 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

My hope is that they will not be put into any tough situations.

 

My concern (I will state this again) is IF Cole does not follow the NFL/NFLPA agreed upon protocols what will be the result?

 

Roger Goodell is not going to be the enforcer.  That is going to be "delegated" to the individual teams.

Beane, McDermott and the coaches will have to handle any "violations".

 

IF fines and other punishments are handed out it will create tensions on the team in the minds of some players agreeing with Cole.

IF they look the other way they lose authority and the respect of other players who may not of got the vaccine but did it for the team.

The media will add it's IF's and a lot of other situations could arise.

 

I once again HOPE none of this will happen but I can see consequences in Cole's actions.

I don't envy Bills Management for what they might face.

 

Not just that, but if there's a substantial % of unvaccinated players (I would bet on it), if the Bills coaches and FO look the other way for one unvaccinated player who is a veteran and has the respect of the team, why wouldn't other players follow suit and do likewise?

 

That could potentially lead to a covid-19 outbreak on the team, losing availability of a bunch of key players for key games, and potentially fines and punishment of the Bills by the NFL.

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12 hours ago, cantankerous said:

Comparing CB to Westboro Church? Lol @ you. What a dolt. I can’t believe some people. 


Literally said in the post that I am not comparing the two rather just stating that standing by bad principles doesn’t add any value to them. Do people even read the posts they comment on?

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Just now, billsfan89 said:


Literally said in the post that I am not comparing the two rather just stating that standing by bad principles doesn’t add any value to them. Do people even read the posts they comment on?

 

Apparently Cantankerous is known for Scrooge McDuck diving into conversations without reading anything.  

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10 hours ago, Pabstblueribbon said:

Sure! 

 

#1: its been well documented that in our state (NY), the Supreme Leader (the governor) defied all common sense and reason by ordering nursing homes to take in patients that were tested and confirmed positive for Covid-19. I bring this up because its an example of a case in which 99.9% of objective people would look at this and say "that's dumb". Similarly to the current state of affairs in which you have a governing body making idiotic decrees that defy all common sense with respect to a group of people whos job is to smash themselves up

 

#2. "

Per the memo, any player who is not fully vaccinated will continue to be subject to:

Daily testing, mask wearing (including in the team facility) and physical distancing

A quarantine if he has a high-risk exposure to someone with COVID-19

Significant restrictions when traveling, including required isolation in the team hotel and relegation to a separate team plane" .

 

Am I misinterpreting what "required isolation in the team hotel" means?

 

#1 I'm still not following your argument here.  I agree: the NYS DPH (or DOH, whatevs) decision to send covid-19 positive patients back to nursing homes regardless of the home's isolation and infection control abilities was a Bad Decision, and it cost lives.

 

Why does a bad decision made by a government group, have any bearing on the policies of a different group (NFL medical advisors, NFL/NFLPA committee that worked this problem)?

 

The NFL did a GREAT job of containing Covid infections in the NFL last year, changing protocols during the season in reaction to actual observed patterns of spread and to community infections.  With regard to Covid-19, the NFL was one of the safest places to be.  That seems to me to argue that unlike the NYS decision on the nursing homes, the NFL medical advisors know WTF they are doing.

 

In a nutshell: why does one organization's bad decision logically make a different organization's protocols "idiotic", in the face of demonstrated competence?  That seems to me like the "non sequitor", "does not follow".

 

(We're not doing "Supreme Leader" and make this political here - free pass because I asked you to explain but don't push it, please.)

 

#2 your statement was "lock themselves in their room alone".  The actual restriction seems to be:

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So the player is free to leave his room and interact with others in the team traveling party, looks like to me.

 

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