The Patriot QB's suck 🤣🤣

[P Riv]

14 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Pats fans making sense, Bwahahahahaha, okay Casper,   whatever ya gotta tell yourself, 😂

 

We still win the division in 99 out of 100 scenarios and KC is who we should be talking about.  Its just a thread about Patriots QB's, which I thought had way too much Homerism running wild.  So I added a little reality, now its treason...lol 

meh

[Don Otreply]

1 minute ago, P Riv said:

 

We still win the division in 99 out of 100 scenarios and KC is who we should be talking about.  Its just a thread about Patriots QB's, which I thought had way too much Homerism running wild.  So I added a little reality, now its treason...lol 

meh

Whatever’s 😂

[YoloinOhio]

[Behindenemylines]

On 7/14/2021 at 9:51 AM, Greg S said:

Just a prediction...Cam is the starter week 1 but Mac Jones takes over about mid season. 

Takes over by game 4.  Here in NE if Cam is playing poorly they are calling for BB’s head.  
 

to used to winning and even BB isn’t immune.

 

 

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

As a master lip reader 

 

"Listen..I'm tryin to tell you.. I'm telling the Truth.. I'm telling you the truth

Edited July 16, 2021 by Buffalo716

[PatsFanNH]

19 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

The bills have one of the best young quarterbacks in the NFL and a good young head coach

 

You do realize we stuck through the team through dog s*** for 20 years? 

 

Anything positive is gravy.. after three straight losing seasons, people will just be calling themselves Celtics and sox fans again in Boston

 

unlike the Bills the Pats have better ownership in place and definitely have a better HC in place to see the transition. The Bills suffered for so long because the team was run poorly from top to bottom! Your see Kraft wants to emulate the way the Steelers do things, which is stability and short windows of rebuild threw it.  Shocked more owners haven’t copycatted their way which has been successful for 50 years.

[P Riv]

It helps to have an owner that wants to win, but it can hurt too (see Jerry Jones and Dan Snyder).

Its a delicate balance between competent ownership that's invested in pursuing a championship, good front office, good coach and staff and the all important franchise QB.  

Historically speaking its tough to find a SB winner that didn't have that balance.  Buffalo has that balance right now, so until someone else in the Div puts it altogether, the outcome is academic.

[Rocky Landing]

49 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

 

unlike the Bills the Pats have better ownership in place and definitely have a better HC in place to see the transition. The Bills suffered for so long because the team was run poorly from top to bottom! Your see Kraft wants to emulate the way the Steelers do things, which is stability and short windows of rebuild threw it.  Shocked more owners haven’t copycatted their way which has been successful for 50 years.

50 years? Except for that pesky stretch from '71 to '95 where they won the division twice.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 6/14/2021 at 6:00 PM, Dablitzkrieg said:

 

What’s wrong w/ Cam and why do his passes look like he’s throwing a pineapple?

[Rochesterfan]

2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

 

unlike the Bills the Pats have better ownership in place and definitely have a better HC in place to see the transition. The Bills suffered for so long because the team was run poorly from top to bottom! Your see Kraft wants to emulate the way the Steelers do things, which is stability and short windows of rebuild threw it.  Shocked more owners haven’t copycatted their way which has been successful for 50 years.

 

This is about the funniest thing I have read.

 

Of course Kraft can say that because in a moment of sheer stupid luck - he got his head coach 21 years ago through a fluke.  Then that fluke doubled down and got a QB that was the best ever in the 6th round.  Those 2 things have allowed them to be relevant.

 

Kraft went through Parcells and Pete Carroll before lucking into Belichick.  Not exactly Pittsburgh material.  He had more HCs at that point than Pittsburgh had in 50 years.

 

Now how do people really think it goes if once again the Pats end up right around 0.500 and miss the playoffs?  Belichick may come back or may finally retire, but either way without a QB I give the next Head Coach 3-4 years - just like what the Bills, NYJs, and Dolphins did as they could not get over the hump. 
 

Bill Belichick is a great coach, but he is not succeeding without a QB.  He has never succeeded as a HC without a legitimate QB.  This team has talent at several positions that will help them win games, but the trick to winning all those years was the little things Brady did late in the 2nd quarter and late in the 4th quarter to transform games and without that - you will see more games you could of won become losses.  
 

I look specifically at games like Buffalo #1, Seattle, and even Denver - 3 games where the Pats were driving late in the game and instead of scoring to win - all 3 times their QB in Newton either was stopped, fumbled or threw an incompletion and cost them the game.  Or Houston where with under 4 minutes to the half - NE gave up 2 TD drives and had to punt on their possession going from the lead to behind by 11 going into the half.  Then NE down by a TD gets stopped again late in the 4th and couldn’t convert.  These things didn’t happen often with Brady.  He found ways to keep drives alive and you darn well knew if it was within 1 score he was getting NE into the Endzone.

 

As was shown last year - Brady won another SB without Belichick, but Bill was a middling coach without Tom.  Expect more of the same.
 

 

Edited July 16, 2021 by Rochesterfan

[Buffalo716]

2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

 

unlike the Bills the Pats have better ownership in place and definitely have a better HC in place to see the transition. The Bills suffered for so long because the team was run poorly from top to bottom! Your see Kraft wants to emulate the way the Steelers do things, which is stability and short windows of rebuild threw it.  Shocked more owners haven’t copycatted their way which has been successful for 50 years.

Bill is gone after the season and nobody is going to want to be in New England

 

They went because Tom Brady

[Don Otreply]

21 hours ago, P Riv said:

 

We still win the division in 99 out of 100 scenarios and KC is who we should be talking about.  Its just a thread about Patriots QB's, which I thought had way too much Homerism running wild.  So I added a little reality, now its treason...lol 

meh

Whatever’s 😂

[Ghost_002!]

1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

This is about the funniest thing I have read.

 

Of course Kraft can say that because in a moment of sheer stupid luck - he got his head coach 21 years ago through a fluke.  Then that fluke doubled down and got a QB that was the best ever in the 6th round.  Those 2 things have allowed them to be relevant.

 

Kraft went through Parcells and Pete Carroll before lucking into Belichick.  Not exactly Pittsburgh material.  He had more HCs at that point than Pittsburgh had in 50 years.

 

Now how do people really think it goes if once again the Pats end up right around 0.500 and miss the playoffs?  Belichick may come back or may finally retire, but either way without a QB I give the next Head Coach 3-4 years - just like what the Bills, NYJs, and Dolphins did as they could not get over the hump. 
 

Bill Belichick is a great coach, but he is not succeeding without a QB.  He has never succeeded as a HC without a legitimate QB.  This team has talent at several positions that will help them win games, but the trick to winning all those years was the little things Brady did late in the 2nd quarter and late in the 4th quarter to transform games and without that - you will see more games you could of won become losses.  
 

I look specifically at games like Buffalo #1, Seattle, and even Denver - 3 games where the Pats were driving late in the game and instead of scoring to win - all 3 times their QB in Newton either was stopped, fumbled or threw an incompletion and cost them the game.  Or Houston where with under 4 minutes to the half - NE gave up 2 TD drives and had to punt on their possession going from the lead to behind by 11 going into the half.  Then NE down by a TD gets stopped again late in the 4th and couldn’t convert.  These things didn’t happen often with Brady.  He found ways to keep drives alive and you darn well knew if it was within 1 score he was getting NE into the Endzone.

 

As was shown last year - Brady won another SB without Belichick, but Bill was a middling coach without Tom.  Expect more of the same.
 

 

 

How the hell does an owner "luck" into a coach, especially one that wasn't even available or wasn't even looked at as the greatest coach of all time at that time? He actually quit the JETS to be come back to NE and I wouldn't use Pitts too much of a measuring stick as far as coaches, because the Rooney's don't fire coaches,  Tomlin should of been gone a long time ago!

 

And if you cant not see how BB helped Brady's career as much as Brady's helped his you are blinded , and Tom Brady didn't take the Detroit Lions to a SB, he took a team that was already playoff ready and offensively full of talent, just needed QB not to throw 13 picks game. Nothing against Tom Brady in any way, but this take by people is so lazy and misinformed. I mean after one year, some how the "big question" was answered, Tom Brady was the real reason for the pats success. It's funny though, to read all this Bills fan Bravo off of just one season. Wow! 

 

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

This is about the funniest thing I have read.

 

Of course Kraft can say that because in a moment of sheer stupid luck - he got his head coach 21 years ago through a fluke.  Then that fluke doubled down and got a QB that was the best ever in the 6th round.  Those 2 things have allowed them to be relevant.

 

Kraft went through Parcells and Pete Carroll before lucking into Belichick.  Not exactly Pittsburgh material.  He had more HCs at that point than Pittsburgh had in 50 years.

 

Now how do people really think it goes if once again the Pats end up right around 0.500 and miss the playoffs?  Belichick may come back or may finally retire, but either way without a QB I give the next Head Coach 3-4 years - just like what the Bills, NYJs, and Dolphins did as they could not get over the hump. 
 

Bill Belichick is a great coach, but he is not succeeding without a QB.  He has never succeeded as a HC without a legitimate QB.  This team has talent at several positions that will help them win games, but the trick to winning all those years was the little things Brady did late in the 2nd quarter and late in the 4th quarter to transform games and without that - you will see more games you could of won become losses.  
 

I look specifically at games like Buffalo #1, Seattle, and even Denver - 3 games where the Pats were driving late in the game and instead of scoring to win - all 3 times their QB in Newton either was stopped, fumbled or threw an incompletion and cost them the game.  Or Houston where with under 4 minutes to the half - NE gave up 2 TD drives and had to punt on their possession going from the lead to behind by 11 going into the half.  Then NE down by a TD gets stopped again late in the 4th and couldn’t convert.  These things didn’t happen often with Brady.  He found ways to keep drives alive and you darn well knew if it was within 1 score he was getting NE into the Endzone.

 

As was shown last year - Brady won another SB without Belichick, but Bill was a middling coach without Tom.  Expect more of the same.
 

 

I mean what coach HAS been consistently (key word) successful without a legitimate QB? BB has to at least get some credit for giving Brady good defenses year in and year out. I hate the guy as much as anybody here, but the guy is one of the winningest coaches of all time. Look at Dungy and Payton. All world QBs and only one title to show for it. Despite what the media wants you to think, football is a TEAM game. Yes, some positions are more important than others, but the whole organization has to be on the same page. Would Josh Allen of even made it on the Jets?

 

 

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

50 years? Except for that pesky stretch from '71 to '95 where they won the division twice.

Pretty sure he’s talking about the steelers being successful for 50 years 

[Rochesterfan]

48 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

How the hell does an owner "luck" into a coach, especially one that wasn't even available or wasn't even looked at as the greatest coach of all time at that time? He actually quit the JETS to be come back to NE and I wouldn't use Pitts too much of a measuring stick as far as coaches, because the Rooney's don't fire coaches,  Tomlin should of been gone a long time ago!

 

And if you cant not see how BB helped Brady's career as much as Brady's helped his you are blinded , and Tom Brady didn't take the Detroit Lions to a SB, he took a team that was already playoff ready and offensively full of talent, just needed QB not to throw 13 picks game. Nothing against Tom Brady in any way, but this take by people is so lazy and misinformed. I mean after one year, some how the "big question" was answered, Tom Brady was the real reason for the pats success. It's funny though, to read all this Bills fan Bravo off of just one season. Wow! 

 

 

You answered how he lucked into the head coach.  He hired a guy that was not available.  How much more luck can you have.

 

I think Belichick early really helped Brady, but Tom has left and won another Super Bowl - while Belichick was a 0.500 coach with a team that Brady hauled on his back to playoffs the year before.

 

We will see again, but there is a significantly better chance that Brady gets a second Super Bowl win away from NE than Belichick gets one without Brady.  I think it is clear early on they needed each other, but later in their career - Brady has driven that team and Belichick has tried to compliment what Brady could do and Belichick failed as once Tom was given offensive weapons again - Tom Brady got another Super Bowl MVP.

[Ghost_002!]

1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

You answered how he lucked into the head coach.  He hired a guy that was not available.  How much more luck can you have.

 

I think Belichick early really helped Brady, but Tom has left and won another Super Bowl - while Belichick was a 0.500 coach with a team that Brady hauled on his back to playoffs the year before.

 

We will see again, but there is a significantly better chance that Brady gets a second Super Bowl win away from NE than Belichick gets one without Brady.  I think it is clear early on they needed each other, but later in their career - Brady has driven that team and Belichick has tried to compliment what Brady could do and Belichick failed as once Tom was given offensive weapons again - Tom Brady got another Super Bowl MVP.

 

 

That doesn't speak of luck. Again BB wasn't what you know of him now.  He wasn't a "hot commodity" and he became available to take the patriots job. It wasn't he quit the JETS then the patriots went after him, he quit for the sole purpose of taken the patriots job that was already offered to him previously. His 2nd head coaching job ever mind you.  

 

Wait...do you understand this is/was year one(going into 2) of a rebuilding period, this ain't year 5 with a sub .500 team. Things like this generally have to run a course first not jump the gun. Again, did Tom Brady take the lions or redskins to the SuperBowl? Someone i guess did know how talented the Bucs really were. They could of won a SB with any of the top ten QBs from last year, they were that stacked on offense and their defensive got hot and was amazing during playoff time. 

 

 

Do you even remember Tom Brady's last year with the pats, he couldn't even muster a touchdown in his last playoff game against the titans. The talk after that was is Brady done playing football...ha ha at he "put the patriots on his back" although he was a big factor and very big factor, you clearly wasn't paying attention. you must of forgot his first SB win when he was a game manager, or his last SB win when he didn't record a touchdown, it was the defense that did the work and there are a plenty of playoffs wins that the patriots won despite Brady not playing so well. I would slow your role on the patriot's being all Tom Brady. 

Edited July 16, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[PatsFanNH]

6 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

50 years? Except for that pesky stretch from '71 to '95 where they won the division twice.

Huh? They won 4 SB titles in the 70’s what are you talking about? 

4 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Bill is gone after the season and nobody is going to want to be in New England

 

They went because Tom Brady

Gone? Based off of what evidence? But if he is gone I suspect Jerod Mayo be the next HC.  Sorry your last line didn’t make sense to me.. 

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Huh? They won 4 SB titles in the 70’s what are you talking about? 

Gone? Based off of what evidence? But if he is gone I suspect Jerod Mayo be the next HC.  Sorry your last line didn’t make sense to me.. 

That players came to New England because of Tom Brady not Bill belichick

 

All the hometown discounts and player signing there was because Tom Brady.. nobody wants to play with a hard-ass coach like belichick when you're not winning

[PatsFanNH]

4 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

This is about the funniest thing I have read.

 

Of course Kraft can say that because in a moment of sheer stupid luck - he got his head coach 21 years ago through a fluke.  Then that fluke doubled down and got a QB that was the best ever in the 6th round.  Those 2 things have allowed them to be relevant.

 

Kraft went through Parcells and Pete Carroll before lucking into Belichick.  Not exactly Pittsburgh material.  He had more HCs at that point than Pittsburgh had in 50 years.

 

Now how do people really think it goes if once again the Pats end up right around 0.500 and miss the playoffs?  Belichick may come back or may finally retire, but either way without a QB I give the next Head Coach 3-4 years - just like what the Bills, NYJs, and Dolphins did as they could not get over the hump. 
 

Bill Belichick is a great coach, but he is not succeeding without a QB.  He has never succeeded as a HC without a legitimate QB.  This team has talent at several positions that will help them win games, but the trick to winning all those years was the little things Brady did late in the 2nd quarter and late in the 4th quarter to transform games and without that - you will see more games you could of won become losses.  
 

I look specifically at games like Buffalo #1, Seattle, and even Denver - 3 games where the Pats were driving late in the game and instead of scoring to win - all 3 times their QB in Newton either was stopped, fumbled or threw an incompletion and cost them the game.  Or Houston where with under 4 minutes to the half - NE gave up 2 TD drives and had to punt on their possession going from the lead to behind by 11 going into the half.  Then NE down by a TD gets stopped again late in the 4th and couldn’t convert.  These things didn’t happen often with Brady.  He found ways to keep drives alive and you darn well knew if it was within 1 score he was getting NE into the Endzone.

 

As was shown last year - Brady won another SB without Belichick, but Bill was a middling coach without Tom.  Expect more of the same.
 

 

Long post, first Tuna quit he was not fired he went to the Jets. He also was IMO the reason the Pats lost that SB since he coached so poorly. 
 

Pete Carroll was hired to soon and wasn’t ready.. 

 

BB was hired at the right time and no matter what anyone says he had to see something in a 6th round pick to move on from a Franchise QB like Bledsoe.  So yes he gets credit for grooming Brady into who he is today because without BB Brady would have been out of the league in 2 or 3 years without ever really getting a shot. 
 

also did you HEAR the names you rattled off that Kraft has chosen as HC?  Tuna was hired before he bought the team.  Also it is something he learned as he got older l, when he first got the team he wanted be like Jerry Jones (this the friction with Tuna) after Carroll he realized he needed hire someone do the entire thing and just be a fan who pays the bills. 
 

 

7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

That players came to New England because of Tom Brady not Bill belichick

 

All the hometown discounts and player signing there was because Tom Brady.. nobody wants to play with a hard-ass coach like belichick when you're not winning

Lol one year of not winning isn’t a trend.  Also they came to NE to win a championship and that’s the only reason why. It isn’t like we have great weather or attractions here like NY or Miami or LA.. lol

 

but you were way way wrong on the Steelers of the 70’s.

[RaoulDuke79]

7 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

 

unlike the Bills the Pats have better ownership in place and definitely have a better HC in place to see the transition. The Bills suffered for so long because the team was run poorly from top to bottom! Your see Kraft wants to emulate the way the Steelers do things, which is stability and short windows of rebuild threw it.  Shocked more owners haven’t copycatted their way which has been successful for 50 years.

Your owner gets handies at massage parlors. I dont recall the Roonies doing such things, or at leastgetting caught. The Patriots found lightning in a bottle with Brady. You guys had a damn good run, but it's over for a while. 

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Long post, first Tuna quit he was not fired he went to the Jets. He also was IMO the reason the Pats lost that SB since he coached so poorly. 
 

Pete Carroll was hired to soon and wasn’t ready.. 

 

BB was hired at the right time and no matter what anyone says he had to see something in a 6th round pick to move on from a Franchise QB like Bledsoe.  So yes he gets credit for grooming Brady into who he is today because without BB Brady would have been out of the league in 2 or 3 years without ever really getting a shot. 
 

also did you HEAR the names you rattled off that Kraft has chosen as HC?  Tuna was hired before he bought the team.  Also it is something he learned as he got older l, when he first got the team he wanted be like Jerry Jones (this the friction with Tuna) after Carroll he realized he needed hire someone do the entire thing and just be a fan who pays the bills. 
 

 

Lol one year of not winning isn’t a trend.  Also they came to NE to win a championship and that’s the only reason why. It isn’t like we have great weather or attractions here like NY or Miami or LA.. lol

 

but you were way way wrong on the Steelers of the 70’s.

We never talked about the Steelers of the '70s.. you're not going to find one post of me talking with you about them

 

And I never said one year of losing makes a trend.. but after three or four it will be

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

That doesn't speak of luck. Again BB wasn't what you know of him now.  He wasn't a "hot commodity" and he became available to take the patriots job. It wasn't he quit the JETS then the patriots went after him, he quit for the sole purpose of taken the patriots job that was already offered to him previously. His 2nd head coaching job ever mind you.  

 

Wait...do you understand this is/was year one(going into 2) of a rebuilding period, this ain't year 5 with a sub .500 team. Things like this generally have to run a course first not jump the gun. Again, did Tom Brady take the lions or redskins to the SuperBowl? Someone i guess did know how talented the Bucs really were. They could of won a SB with any of the top ten QBs from last year, they were that stacked on offense and their defensive got hot and was amazing during playoff time. 

 

 

Do you even remember Tom Brady's last year with the pats, he couldn't even muster a touchdown in his last playoff game against the titans. The talk after that was is Brady done playing football...ha ha at he "put the patriots on his back" although he was a big factor and very big factor, you clearly wasn't paying attention. you must of forgot his first SB win when he was a game manager, or his last SB win when he didn't record a touchdown, it was the defense that did the work and there are a plenty of playoffs wins that the patriots won despite Brady not playing so well. I would slow your role on the patriot's being all Tom Brady. 

 

It was 100% luck - the Jets had already hired Belichick when NE decided to offer the job.  If it wasn’t for the commissioner stepping in and forging a deal - Belichick never goes to NE.  The Jets were ready to let him go but force an agreement where he could not go to NE.

 

NE got very, very lucky in the deal.  2nd you say he was not a “hot commodity” yet 2 teams hired him to be a head coach and it took the commissioner’s office to get him to NE.

 

You are correct - Tom Brady did no take the Lions to Super Bowl because he has not played there.  Let’s see He took the Pats and the Buc to the Super Bowl - the only 2 teams he has played on and he won in both places - seems he is the common denominator as the TB team couldn’t do that the year before and after he left NE got worse.

 

Yes I remember Tom Brady’s last year in NE - he had terrible WRs and made them look pretty darn good compared to the quarterbacking they had last year.  I think you totally missed how good he was to keep that team alive because after he left - everything was exposed.

11 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Long post, first Tuna quit he was not fired he went to the Jets. He also was IMO the reason the Pats lost that SB since he coached so poorly. 
 

Pete Carroll was hired to soon and wasn’t ready.. 

 

BB was hired at the right time and no matter what anyone says he had to see something in a 6th round pick to move on from a Franchise QB like Bledsoe.  So yes he gets credit for grooming Brady into who he is today because without BB Brady would have been out of the league in 2 or 3 years without ever really getting a shot. 
 

also did you HEAR the names you rattled off that Kraft has chosen as HC?  Tuna was hired before he bought the team.  Also it is something he learned as he got older l, when he first got the team he wanted be like Jerry Jones (this the friction with Tuna) after Carroll he realized he needed hire someone do the entire thing and just be a fan who pays the bills. 
 

 

Lol one year of not winning isn’t a trend.  Also they came to NE to win a championship and that’s the only reason why. It isn’t like we have great weather or attractions here like NY or Miami or LA.. lol

 

but you were way way wrong on the Steelers of the 70’s.

 

So Pete Carroll wasn’t ready - so they moved on - who is to say the next guy is “ready”.  Pittsburgh hires coaches and let’s them grow - he fired a head coach after 3 years and then through an act of the commissioner’s office happened to choose a guy that paired with Brady was epic.  
 

We have nothing that suggests Kraft will be patient after Belichick leaves. 

[Rocky Landing]

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

Pretty sure he’s talking about the steelers being successful for 50 years 

 

59 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Huh? They won 4 SB titles in the 70’s what are you talking about? 

 

 

Yes, I misread the post. Apologies.

[PatsFanNH]

1 hour ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

It was 100% luck - the Jets had already hired Belichick when NE decided to offer the job.  If it wasn’t for the commissioner stepping in and forging a deal - Belichick never goes to NE.  The Jets were ready to let him go but force an agreement where he could not go to NE.

 

NE got very, very lucky in the deal.  2nd you say he was not a “hot commodity” yet 2 teams hired him to be a head coach and it took the commissioner’s office to get him to NE.

 

You are correct - Tom Brady did no take the Lions to Super Bowl because he has not played there.  Let’s see He took the Pats and the Buc to the Super Bowl - the only 2 teams he has played on and he won in both places - seems he is the common denominator as the TB team couldn’t do that the year before and after he left NE got worse.

 

Yes I remember Tom Brady’s last year in NE - he had terrible WRs and made them look pretty darn good compared to the quarterbacking they had last year.  I think you totally missed how good he was to keep that team alive because after he left - everything was exposed.

 

So Pete Carroll wasn’t ready - so they moved on - who is to say the next guy is “ready”.  Pittsburgh hires coaches and let’s them grow - he fired a head coach after 3 years and then through an act of the commissioner’s office happened to choose a guy that paired with Brady was epic.  
 

We have nothing that suggests Kraft will be patient after Belichick leaves. 

Like I said later Kraft has grown smarter. When he first started he wanted be hands on like Jones in Dallas as time had passed he realized to get the right person you have to give up that power to win. I only have his word in numerous interviews up here saying he believes stability is one of the most important things needed to succeed and that starts with the HC. Could he change his mind? Ya it’s his team he could.. hell could the lucky sperm, aka Jonathan decide he wants be more hands on.. of course! What makes the Steelers great is the family decided to keep the philosophy I can only hope the Krafts do the same.

[Rocky Landing]

38 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Like I said later Kraft has grown smarter. When he first started he wanted be hands on like Jones in Dallas as time had passed he realized to get the right person you have to give up that power to win. I only have his word in numerous interviews up here saying he believes stability is one of the most important things needed to succeed and that starts with the HC. Could he change his mind? Ya it’s his team he could.. hell could the lucky sperm, aka Jonathan decide he wants be more hands on.. of course! What makes the Steelers great is the family decided to keep the philosophy I can only hope the Krafts do the same.

This is all code, right...?

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

Like I said later Kraft has grown smarter. When he first started he wanted be hands on like Jones in Dallas as time had passed he realized to get the right person you have to give up that power to win. I only have his word in numerous interviews up here saying he believes stability is one of the most important things needed to succeed and that starts with the HC. Could he change his mind? Ya it’s his team he could.. hell could the lucky sperm, aka Jonathan decide he wants be more hands on.. of course! What makes the Steelers great is the family decided to keep the philosophy I can only hope the Krafts do the same.

 

Yeah we hear him say a lot of things, but in practice that goes to heck.  I believe he has been able to act like Pittsburgh because he had a winning combo of coach and QB, but when it comes to practice - he showed with how they handled AB when Tom wanted him back and how they handled other players including Brady - that Kraft will get involved and will butt in and show a lack of patience.  I expect nothing less once Bill steps aside and the next guy comes in and struggles that he will become just like 95% of the other owners and move on in 3 years - ala Carroll.

 

Especially as the Patriots become an after thought as Boston fans move back to the Red Sox, Bruins, and the Celtics and the Pats become 2nd and 3rd class teams in their own town - he will make even more quick decisions than others trying to right the ship.

Edited July 17, 2021 by Rochesterfan

[P Riv]

They went to the SB in 96 with a different QB and coach.  So I'm guessing that they are capable of succeeding without Brady at some point.  Fact is, they did it before.  Now all they have to do is go 1-15 and get the top QB in the draft.  😁

[Don Otreply]

17 hours ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

How the hell does an owner "luck" into a coach, especially one that wasn't even available or wasn't even looked at as the greatest coach of all time at that time? He actually quit the JETS to be come back to NE and I wouldn't use Pitts too much of a measuring stick as far as coaches, because the Rooney's don't fire coaches,  Tomlin should of been gone a long time ago!

 

And if you cant not see how BB helped Brady's career as much as Brady's helped his you are blinded , and Tom Brady didn't take the Detroit Lions to a SB, he took a team that was already playoff ready and offensively full of talent, just needed QB not to throw 13 picks game. Nothing against Tom Brady in any way, but this take by people is so lazy and misinformed. I mean after one year, some how the "big question" was answered, Tom Brady was the real reason for the pats success. It's funny though, to read all this Bills fan Bravo off of just one season. Wow! 

 

 I got two words for you Casper, Cam Newton… Bwahahahahaha 

[PatsFanNH]

11 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

Yeah we hear him say a lot of things, but in practice that goes to heck.  I believe he has been able to act like Pittsburgh because he had a winning combo of coach and QB, but when it comes to practice - he showed with how they handled AB when Tom wanted him back and how they handled other players including Brady - that Kraft will get involved and will butt in and show a lack of patience.  I expect nothing less once Bill steps aside and the next guy comes in and struggles that he will become just like 95% of the other owners and move on in 3 years - ala Carroll.

 

Especially as the Patriots become an after thought as Boston fans move back to the Red Sox, Bruins, and the Celtics and the Pats become 2nd and 3rd class teams in their own town - he will make even more quick decisions than others trying to right the ship.

Lmao I have always been a Pats fan and a Bruins fan… I can’t stand Basketball to much a primadonna sport, and baseball like taking a sleeping pill.

 

Pats been relevant since 1996, with only 2 losing seasons since  then. So history under his ownership is against you and that was with 3 coaches.

 

Unlike Buffalo we have every sport up here including Soccer so it makes them try harder stay relevant.

 

also a question, how is the negotiating for a new stadium going in Buffalo? 

[P Riv]

We've always had a great rivalry with the Patriots, my favorite one actually.  Many great battles in the 80's, always looked forward but kinda hated playing them in the 90's too.  I knew we would win, but at what cost was always the question.  Tough physical games, great to watch.  

Doplhins... meh.  Jests?  Meh...

[Success]

6 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Lmao I have always been a Pats fan and a Bruins fan… I can’t stand Basketball to much a primadonna sport, and baseball like taking a sleeping pill.

 

Pats been relevant since 1996, with only 2 losing seasons since  then. So history under his ownership is against you and that was with 3 coaches.

 

Unlike Buffalo we have every sport up here including Soccer so it makes them try harder stay relevant.

 

also a question, how is the negotiating for a new stadium going in Buffalo? 

 

Kraft caught lightning in a bottle w/ Belichick.  He hasn't had to really do anything as an owner for 20 years.

 

They didn't win Super Bowls before Brady, and I don't see them winning a lot after him.  This coming season feels like BB's last hurrah - he "won the offseason" with a lot of spending, but they're still stuck at the QB position.

 

 

On 7/16/2021 at 11:55 AM, PatsFanNH said:

 

unlike the Bills the Pats have better ownership in place and definitely have a better HC in place to see the transition. The Bills suffered for so long because the team was run poorly from top to bottom! Your see Kraft wants to emulate the way the Steelers do things, which is stability and short windows of rebuild threw it.  Shocked more owners haven’t copycatted their way which has been successful for 50 years.

 

Posts like this are why I'm so looking forward to the years ahead.

 

[PatsFanNH]

1 hour ago, Success said:

 

Kraft caught lightning in a bottle w/ Belichick.  He hasn't had to really do anything as an owner for 20 years.

 

They didn't win Super Bowls before Brady, and I don't see them winning a lot after him.  This coming season feels like BB's last hurrah - he "won the offseason" with a lot of spending, but they're still stuck at the QB position.

 

 

 

Posts like this are why I'm so looking forward to the years ahead.

 

So your saying from 95 till the current GM and HC you feel the Bills had good management in place? Your own Fanbase has bashed ownership for years and IMO I wouldn’t be shocked if they tried to move the Bills to Toronto. 

[Success]

41 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

So your saying from 95 till the current GM and HC you feel the Bills had good management in place? Your own Fanbase has bashed ownership for years and IMO I wouldn’t be shocked if they tried to move the Bills to Toronto. 

 

No - the Bills weren't well run.  Not what I was saying.

 

But they are now, and the danger of moving to Toronto has passed. As happens in sports, things shift & times change. 

 

 

[Patrick Duffy]

2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

IMO I wouldn’t be shocked if they tried to move the Bills to Toronto.

That ship sailed quite a while ago dude.....Bills will remain in Buffalo for the foreseeable future.

[Buffalo716]

1 hour ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

That ship sailed quite a while ago dude.....Bills will remain in Buffalo for the foreseeable future.

Obviously trolling

 

Patriots time of dominance has ended. And now he's trying to rile up the fan base with threats of relocation to Toronto

 

Which is asinine because the bills are never and were never leaving 

 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

On 7/16/2021 at 3:31 PM, Ghost_002! said:

 

How the hell does an owner "luck" into a coach, especially one that wasn't even available or wasn't even looked at as the greatest coach of all time at that time? He actually quit the JETS to be come back to NE and I wouldn't use Pitts too much of a measuring stick as far as coaches, because the Rooney's don't fire coaches,  Tomlin should of been gone a long time ago!

 

And if you cant not see how BB helped Brady's career as much as Brady's helped his you are blinded , and Tom Brady didn't take the Detroit Lions to a SB, he took a team that was already playoff ready and offensively full of talent, just needed QB not to throw 13 picks game. Nothing against Tom Brady in any way, but this take by people is so lazy and misinformed. I mean after one year, some how the "big question" was answered, Tom Brady was the real reason for the pats success. It's funny though, to read all this Bills fan Bravo off of just one season. Wow! 

 

Just one year? Not to put too fine a point on it, but how many SB’s in how many years as a HC did Hoodie win in Cleveland or NE before Brady became his starter? 

[Patrick Duffy]

28 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Obviously trolling

 

Patriots time of dominance has ended. And now he's trying to rile up the fan base with threats of relocation to Toronto

 

Which is asinine because the bills are never and were never leaving 

 

Well, he won't rile up many Bills fans regarding the bold. I mean any real fan of the Bills knows (or should know) there's no chance of the team moving to Toronto, or anywhere else for that matter. So was kinda silly he even posted that imo...

 

 

[Buffalo716]

1 minute ago, Patrick_Duffy said:

Well, he won't rile up many Bills fans regarding the bold. I mean any real fan of the Bills knows (or should know) there's no chance of the team moving to Toronto, or anywhere else for that matter. So was kinda silly he even posted that imo...

 

 

Just shows how out of touch he is

[Patrick Duffy]

35 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

Just one year? Not to put too fine a point on it, but how many SB’s in how many years as a HC did Hoodie win in Cleveland or NE before Brady became his starter? 

None of course. However he (and other Pats fans) always come back with...." he may not have won a Super Bowl before Brady, but made an appearance with Bledsoe". But common sense tells us that B.B was nothing but a good Defensive coach without Brady and would not have won those titles without Brady either.

 

Also there were a few seasons Brady had some really good weapons at WR, but was more seasons Brady made many nobodies into somebodies....at least while they were in N.E.

Edited July 18, 2021 by Patrick_Duffy