TSW Mock Draft 2.0 - Complete!!

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

I have him as the 85th best player on my board, Would have been a good 3rd, hate him as the 2nd.

 

 

Snap.

 

19 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

So I agree Shelvin is a late third rounder, that is the grade I have on him. But he inside my top 100 - he is #85 - which says more about this class than anything else. There are other years where a late 3rd round grade would have a player 120-140 on my board. 

 

[MAJBobby]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Snap.

 

That saying great minds......

 

Find it interesting that there has been 6 players not even in my top 150 selected already.  

 

Lowest graded player selected so far on my board (in the top 150)  is Quinn Merinerz (have him at 117)

 

I have 4 left in my top 50

Edited April 19, 2021 by MAJBobby

[GunnerBill]

Just now, MAJBobby said:

That saying great minds......

 

Find it interesting that there has been 6 players not even in my top 150 selected already.  

 

Lowest graded player selected so far on my board (in the top 150)  is Quinn Merinerz (have him at 117)

 

I selected Quinn, I am much higher on him, he is #68 on my board. Lowest picked is Kary Vincent (the last pick made by the Buccs) who is my #119. Payton Turner is not fully graded and "on my board" as I haven't watched 3 full games of him but my provisional grade was 5th round. Davyion Nixon is my best available (don't think he has been picked) at #37 on my big board. 

[NewEra]

46 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I selected Quinn, I am much higher on him, he is #68 on my board. Lowest picked is Kary Vincent (the last pick made by the Buccs) who is my #119. Payton Turner is not fully graded and "on my board" as I haven't watched 3 full games of him but my provisional grade was 5th round. Davyion Nixon is my best available (don't think he has been picked) at #37 on my big board. 

You’re on the clock yo!

[Virgil]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

You’re on the clock yo!

 @Doc Brown is on the clock

[NewEra]

Oh my bad, missed that.  

[GunnerBill]

42 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Oh my bad, missed that.  

 

I'll let you off....

[Blokestradamus]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I'll let you off....

 

[MAJBobby]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I selected Quinn, I am much higher on him, he is #68 on my board. Lowest picked is Kary Vincent (the last pick made by the Buccs) who is my #119. Payton Turner is not fully graded and "on my board" as I haven't watched 3 full games of him but my provisional grade was 5th round. Davyion Nixon is my best available (don't think he has been picked) at #37 on my big board. 

Yeah I dont have Vincent in my top 150.  Turner is at 92 on mine.  My BPA Amon-Ra St. Brown sitting at 43. 

[GunnerBill]

7 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Yeah I dont have Vincent in my top 150.  Turner is at 92 on mine.  My BPA Amon-Ra St. Brown sitting at 43. 

 

I haven't got around to St.Brown. So he is not on my board but it doesn't reflect at all on his ability. Just can't get to everyone and work has been pretty manic this spring so I have watched fewer players than the last two years. I saw a bit of him when scouting Pittman Jnr last year and he looked decent enough but that is pretty much all I have on him. He was on the WR list. Just never got to him. 

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I haven't got around to St.Brown. So he is not on my board but it doesn't reflect at all on his ability. Just can't get to everyone and work has been pretty manic this spring so I have watched fewer players than the last two years. I saw a bit of him when scouting Pittman Jnr last year and he looked decent enough but that is pretty much all I have on him. He was on the WR list. Just never got to him. 

I hear you, I have actually had a pretty slow spring with work.  Defense Contracts slowed down a bit, they ramp back up around may and I will be running around with my hair on fire based on the proposals that are coming out in my Portfolio.  

[Doc Brown]

With the 70th pick of the 2021 NFL draft, the Patriots select Joe Tryon - Edge, Washington.  The Falcons @GunnerBill are on the clock.

[GunnerBill]

With the 71st pick of the 2021 NFL Draft the Atlanta Falcons select, Daviyon Nixon, Defensive Tackle, Iowa.

 

I tried to take Christian Barmore with my 2nd round pick before realising he was already off the board. I have waited on Nixon who I did consider at that spot and he is, by my board, the best player remaining. At 6'3, 305 lbs he is not the biggest but he has speed and elite change of direction skills for a man so large. He isn't as versatile as Barmore and is probably more obviously a RDE in in Dan Pees 3-4 base, at least as a rookie, but when Pees had smaller speedier interior linemen in Tennessee he used more hybrid looks and ran some 4-3 fronts too where Grady Jarrett and Nixon would represent a fearsome inside pass rushing duo. The objective of this draft was defensive playmakers: Patrick Surtain, Zaven Collins and Daviyon Nixon is a huge talent infusion on that side of the ball as well as grabbing my plug and play starting center for the next decade in Quinn Meinerz. 

 

The knee biting Detroit Lions and @Reed83HOF are now on the clock. 

[H2o]

32 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

With the 71st pick of the 2021 NFL Draft the Atlanta Falcons select, Daviyon Nixon, Defensive Tackle, Iowa.

 

I tried to take Christian Barmore with my 2nd round pick before realising he was already off the board. I have waited on Nixon who I did consider at that spot and he is, by my board, the best player remaining. At 6'3, 305 lbs he is not the biggest but he has speed and elite change of direction skills for a man so large. He isn't as versatile as Barmore and is probably more obviously a RDE in in Dan Pees 3-4 base, at least as a rookie, but when Pees had smaller speedier interior linemen in Tennessee he used more hybrid looks and ran some 4-3 fronts too where Grady Jarrett and Nixon would represent a fearsome inside pass rushing duo. The objective of this draft was defensive playmakers: Patrick Surtain, Zaven Collins and Daviyon Nixon is a huge talent infusion on that side of the ball as well as grabbing my plug and play starting center for the next decade in Quinn Meinerz. 

 

The knee biting Detroit Lions and @Reed83HOF are now on the clock. 

I know this is a bit off topic, but more of a random thought now that you mention his name. How much does it look like Dean Pees was just tired of being the DC under Vrabel so he "retired" for one year, but then comes back as DC for his buddy Arthur Smith who gets the HC gig in Atlanta? 

 

Really solid draft for the Falcons by the way Gunner.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, H2o said:

I know this is a bit off topic, but more of a random thought now that you mention his name. How much does it look like Dean Pees was just tired of being the DC under Vrabel so he "retired" for one year, but then comes back as DC for his buddy Arthur Smith who gets the HC gig in Atlanta? 

 

Really solid draft for the Falcons by the way Gunner.

 

Yep. I get the sense that Pees does not like interference in his defense from the HC. He left the DC position in New England for a demotion initially in Baltimore because he had his fill of Belichick and then it feels like he did the same last year after two years with Vrabel. He looks like a guy to me who wants his HC to leave him alone and let him work. I think he will get that with Smith. 

[OldTimer1960]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I selected Quinn, I am much higher on him, he is #68 on my board. Lowest picked is Kary Vincent (the last pick made by the Buccs) who is my #119. Payton Turner is not fully graded and "on my board" as I haven't watched 3 full games of him but my provisional grade was 5th round. Davyion Nixon is my best available (don't think he has been picked) at #37 on my big board. 

Like Daviyon Nixon.  I know he isn’t a 2 gap guy or 1T, but do you think he and Oliver cold play at the same time?  That would be much more quickness and penetration than Star provides.

Edited April 19, 2021 by OldTimer1960

[maddenboy]

12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yep. I get the sense that Pees does not like interference in his defense from the HC. He left the DC position in New England for a demotion initially in Baltimore because he had his fill of Belichick and then it feels like he did the same last year after two years with Vrabel. He looks like a guy to me who wants his HC to leave him alone and let him work. I think he will get that with Smith. 

Or, maybe Pees just doesnt like "The Patriot[***] Way." 

 

Either its effect on him, or as a way to get the most out of his players.

[stinky finger]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

With the 71st pick of the 2021 NFL Draft the Atlanta Falcons select, Daviyon Nixon, Defensive Tackle, Iowa.

 

I tried to take Christian Barmore with my 2nd round pick before realising he was already off the board. I have waited on Nixon who I did consider at that spot and he is, by my board, the best player remaining. At 6'3, 305 lbs he is not the biggest but he has speed and elite change of direction skills for a man so large. He isn't as versatile as Barmore and is probably more obviously a RDE in in Dan Pees 3-4 base, at least as a rookie, but when Pees had smaller speedier interior linemen in Tennessee he used more hybrid looks and ran some 4-3 fronts too where Grady Jarrett and Nixon would represent a fearsome inside pass rushing duo. The objective of this draft was defensive playmakers: Patrick Surtain, Zaven Collins and Daviyon Nixon is a huge talent infusion on that side of the ball as well as grabbing my plug and play starting center for the next decade in Quinn Meinerz. 

 

The knee biting Detroit Lions and @Reed83HOF are now on the clock. 

 

A good get here. 

 

Did you expect to see Barmore fall?

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, inaugural balls said:

 

A good get here. 

 

Did you expect to see Barmore fall?

 

No I just missed the fact that someone else had picked him when I went on the clock at the start of round 2

[stinky finger]

13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No I just missed the fact that someone else had picked him when I went on the clock at the start of round 2

 

Got ya👍

 

I took him at 19. Your draft prowess is clearly keener than mine but I didn’t think where I took him was too far off from reality. 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, inaugural balls said:

 

Got ya👍

 

I took him at 19. Your draft prowess is clearly keener than mine but I didn’t think where I took him was too far off from reality. 

 

No me neither. I think he will go somewhere between late teens and early 30s. I'd go as far as to say that pick where I took him with the Falcons (except he'd already gone) is his real life floor. 

[Bill from NYC]

2 hours ago, inaugural balls said:

 

Got ya👍

 

I took him at 19. Your draft prowess is clearly keener than mine but I didn’t think where I took him was too far off from reality. 

 

 

It was not, but he is a gamble. I have watched every play of every game in which he has played. His talent is beyond question. I talked about him months ago. His character however might raise some eyebrows.

 

I know that Coach Saban suspended CB for the 1st quarter of a game, and would not (to his credit) say why. A poster on this board who claims (and I believe him) to have some connections in Tuscaloosa posted words to the effect that Barmore has behavioral issues, and that he was told of this by legit sources. 

 

If this kid gives it his all, I liken him to Warren Sapp. Make no mistake, he can play. That said, a small but certain group of Alabama players go crazy once they are out of the supervision, or call it the clutches if you will  of Nick Saban. Reuben Foster is an example. I think that he was a better football player coming out of college than Barmore. He was a predator, and could have been the very best LB in the NFL imo. He could cover, defend the run, and blitz. I am talking clear (imo) HOF talent. We had 2 Crimson Tide players (Dareus and Kouandjio) who despite their talent (although I said when he was drafted that Kouandjio was overrated) went wild once they got away from Saban, with millions of dollars in their pocket.

 

In summary, Barmore is worth the risk. I wish there was a way that the Bills could get him but there just isn't (sans a tradeup), which for the reasons above would be risky (let alone costly). The kid is a player for sure, and he is a tough kid from North Philly. I will be rooting for hm to be a success. 

[stinky finger]

1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

It was not, but he is a gamble. I have watched every play of every game in which he has played. His talent is beyond question. I talked about him months ago. His character however might raise some eyebrows.

 

I know that Coach Saban suspended CB for the 1st quarter of a game, and would not (to his credit) say why. A poster on this board who claims (and I believe him) to have some connections in Tuscaloosa posted words to the effect that Barmore has behavioral issues, and that he was told of this by legit sources. 

 

If this kid gives it his all, I liken him to Warren Sapp. Make no mistake, he can play. That said, a small but certain group of Alabama players go crazy once they are out of the supervision, or call it the clutches if you will  of Nick Saban. Reuben Foster is an example. I think that he was a better football player coming out of college than Barmore. He was a predator, and could have been the very best LB in the NFL imo. He could cover, defend the run, and blitz. I am talking clear (imo) HOF talent. We had 2 Crimson Tide players (Dareus and Kouandjio) who despite their talent (although I said when he was drafted that Kouandjio was overrated) went wild once they got away from Saban, with millions of dollars in their pocket.

 

In summary, Barmore is worth the risk. I wish there was a way that the Bills could get him but there just isn't (sans a tradeup), which for the reasons above would be risky (let alone costly). The kid is a player for sure, and he is a tough kid from North Philly. I will be rooting for hm to be a success. 

 

Thanks, Bill.

 

Who better than you to discuss/analyze all things Tide. I've always liked the big, penetrating type DT such as Barmore and those of his ilk. Getting pressure on the QB by the guy most often closest to the QB - straight up the gut. Has an affect on the entire DL play. Would love that element on our team.

[Virgil]

Anyone want to make the Lions pick?

[Logic]

5 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Anyone want to make the Lions pick?

I see linebacker listed as a need for the Lions after WR and CB. 

If no one has any better ideas, I say give them Cameron McGrone, LB Michigan. Hometown boy. The Draft Network's 43rd ranked player and LB6.

Edited April 20, 2021 by Logic

[NewEra]

with the 73rd pick, the Jacksonville Jaguars select, Richie Grant, FS, UCF

@Virgil and the WFT are on the clock 

 

QB- Trevor Lawrence

RB- James Robinson

WR- DJ Chark, Marvin Jones, Elijah Moore, Laviska Shenault

TE- Pat Freiermuth

LT- Cam Robinson

LG- Andrew Norwell

C- Brian Linder

RG- Teven Jenkins (swings out to LT next year as Robinson is a FA)

RT- Jamar Taylor

 

We feel the offense is set.  Drafting one of the best QB prospects ever makes everything better.  A very solid WR unit was lacking one aspect, speed. Adding Elijah Moore to Chark, Shenault and Jones is just what the passing game needed. Chris Manhertz was the starting TE.  Now it’s the 2nd best TE of the draft class, Big Pat Freiermuth.  Very solid OL led by vets Norwell and Linder.  2 solid young bookends in Jenkins and Taylor.  The offense is on its way.  

 

Edge-K’lavon Chaisson

DT- Taven Bryan

DT- Malcolm Brown

Edge- Josh Allen

WLB- Myles Jack

MLB- Joe Schobert

SLB- Leon Jacobs

CB- Cj Henderson, Shaquill Griffen, Sidney Jones

Slot- Elijah Molden

SS- Rayshawn Jenkins,

FS-  Richie Grant

 

We feel that we already have key building block pass rushers in Allen, Chaisson.  Add them to Myles Jack and Joe Schobert at LB + Cj Henderson, Shaquill Griffen and Sidney Jones at corner and we have the foundation of a good young defense.  Our weakness on D was at DT, FS, SLB and slot corner.  We drafted the guy we feel is the best slot corner in the draft in Molden as well as our FS of the future in Richie Grant.  We feel we can draft a solid 1T with the first pick in rd 4.  SLB, which is rarely on the field can be found in rd 5 or in free agency.
 

We would give our draft an A++ 😀 

 

[Virgil]

The Washington whatchamacallits select Jamar Johnson, S, Indiana. 
 

The Cowboys @Logic are on the clock

[Mark Vader]

30 minutes ago, Logic said:

I see linebacker listed as a need for the Lions after WR and CB. 

If no one has any better ideas, I say give them Cameron McGrone, LB Michigan. Hometown boy. The Draft Network's 43rd ranked player and LB6.

Strangely enough the Lions traditionally do not draft that many players from Michigan. They seem to have a better "relationship" with Michigan State.

[Reed83HOF]

44 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Anyone want to make the Lions pick?

This is too hard when I'm at work sheesh

[Logic]

With the 75th pick in the 2021 TSW Mock Draft, the Dallas Cowboys select Jabril Cox, LB, LSU

Our once promising linebacker duo of Jaylon Smith and Leighton Vander Esch was disappointing last year. Furthermore, Vander Esch's college injury woes seem to have followed him to the pros. Having already upgraded our secondary with the additions of Jaycee Horn and Jevon Holland, we now turn our attention to the front seven. With his athleticism and adeptness in zone and man coverage, Jabril Cox will fit in perfectly in new DC Dan Quinn's defense.

@section122 And the Baltimore Ravens are now on the clock.

[section122]

I'm here just need a minute

[MAJBobby]

We are down to 2 left on my top 50.

 

Cameron McGrone - LB and Jevon Holland - S

[H2o]

2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

We are down to 2 left on my top 50.

 

Cameron McGrone - LB and Jevon Holland - S

McGrone was given to the Lions

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

We are down to 2 left on my top 50.

 

Cameron McGrone - LB and Jevon Holland - S

Holland has been gone since rd 2

[MAJBobby]

1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Holland has been gone since rd 2

Then both gone, guess I missed those two my bad.

[section122]

With the 76th pick the Baltimore Ravens select Andre Cisco, S, Syracuse. @glazeduck and the Chargers are on the clock.

 

Although both safeties will be returning for 2021, Cisco was a possible 1st rounder before an ACL injury cut short his season.  The former ACC freshmen of the year brings playmaking skills to the position.  2 needs down 1 more to go for the Ravens.

 

Here is a writeup: https://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2021/4/11/22377585/ravens-2021-nfl-draft-profile-fs-andre-cisco

 

 

[glazeduck]

Chargers are on a conference call for the next hour so will solicit offers during that time. If none, will make the pick shortly thereafter...

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, MAJBobby said:

We are down to 2 left on my top 50.

 

Cameron McGrone - LB and Jevon Holland - S

 

The top 5 remaining by my board are:

 

Michael Carter, RB, UNC (#57 on my board)

Jay Tufele, DT, USC (#58 on my board)

James Hudson, OT, Cincinnati (#59 on my board)

Chazz Surratt, LB, UNC (#63 on my board)

Patrick Jones, DE, Pittsburgh (#65 on my board)

 

 

[mannc]

32 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The top 5 remaining by my board are:

 

Michael Carter, RB, UNC (#57 on my board)

Jay Tufele, DT, USC (#58 on my board)

James Hudson, OT, Cincinnati (#59 on my board)

Chazz Surratt, LB, UNC (#63 on my board)

Patrick Jones, DE, Pittsburgh (#65 on my board)

 

 

yep

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

yep

 

I have him just above his stable mate which I know is not the majority opinion. I just think he has more chance to be special as a pro. Williams is probably safer but I can imagine him being one of those JAG starting running backs.