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Bills opening stadium discussions with NYS and Erie County


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7 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

In 7 years, it'll likely be even more expensive to renovate.

It's just crazy to look at how much it cost teams like Arizona, Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, etc. to build their stadiums...yet we'll be paying half a billion jsut for renovations. If we keep pushing it back, costs will just soar even more out of reach. 

 

When you think about it, Jerry World was the crown jewel of the NFL & treated like a crazy attraction. By the time we start building, we'll probably be paying more than Jones did. Sinking another half a billion dollars into renovations just feels like a huge money sink. Bite the bullet, take the hit now, and foot the bill for a new venue so we can avoid throwing more money away down the line.

 

 

Who’s “we”?

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The future is the generic downtown dome with faceless corporate sponsorship with the "biggest jumbotron" for the next 3 months until the next stadium is completed. It has what the NFL wants for seating, luxury suites, concessions etc. The NFL will get it. Either now or in a decade. Enjoy the awesome current stadium experience with all of its warts while it lasts. 85% of whats great about home games aren't the troughs you pee in, but the people you avoid looking at while at the trough. 

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Why exactly is the NFL demanding a “new” stadium? I don’t understand the economics begins building a new stadium versus the existing one. It’s not that a new stadium will fit more butts in the seats. 

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13 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Who’s “we”?

 

"We" the Bills & Bills fans.

It's pretty normal at this point in conversation to refer to your team as "we." But if it bothers you, just replace it with "they," and the point is the same :)

 

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11 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

"We" the Bills & Bills fans.

It's pretty normal at this point in conversation to refer to your team as "we." But if it bothers you, just replace it with "they," and the point is the same :)

 

 

 "Bite the bullet, take the hit now, and foot the bill for a new venue so we can avoid throwing more money away down the line."

 

Why should Bills fans be stuck paying for this?  That should bother anyone.

 

Leave the fans out of that "we".  Non-fan taxpayers as well.

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20 hours ago, Saint Doug said:

Why exactly is the NFL demanding a “new” stadium? I don’t understand the economics begins building a new stadium versus the existing one. It’s not that a new stadium will fit more butts in the seats. 

Basicly 500 mil brings Buffalo to bottom third in stadium quality.  For another 500 mil they probably have a top 10 or 5 stadium.  Instead of a frat party they can make the in stadium experiance better.  As much as tailgating got us through the 20 years of suffering the league and Pegulas are not a fan of it.  

 

To answer the economics are little to any impact.  Imo having a nice stadium to an owner is the same as having a franchise qb.  Also, a Billionaire doesnt want to be told by anyone that something he has is outdated...

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17 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Something that @Kirby Jacksonpointed out that matters here: you can't create a new pricing structure without a new facility. That alone makes a new stadium a given. 

 

Those who are getting emotional about the old stadium I love may be disappointed. I see this ending with a new stadium, probably downtown. One guy’s guess. With or without Kirby’s info, it makes too much sense to ignore. 

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On 4/3/2021 at 10:53 PM, BigDingus said:

 

"We" the Bills & Bills fans.

It's pretty normal at this point in conversation to refer to your team as "we." But if it bothers you, just replace it with "they," and the point is the same :)

 

I think the point is where does the money come from?   

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With a good chunk of infrastructure needed fir a new stadium all ready in place in OP it doesn't make sense to start new someplace else.  Plus, they've had 47 years to study traffic at that location.  Always a plus, in my opinion.

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1 hour ago, haroldwaide said:

With a good chunk of infrastructure needed fir a new stadium all ready in place in OP it doesn't make sense to start new someplace else.  Plus, they've had 47 years to study traffic at that location.  Always a plus, in my opinion.

Not intended to be too argumentative: but if an NFL city’s downtown road infrastructure can’t handle the traffic from a 65,000 seat stadium when virtually the entire crowd ‘car pools’ to the event on a Sunday afternoon ...then it isn’t an NFL city. Downtown Buffalo’s road system will be fine. 

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1 hour ago, haroldwaide said:

With a good chunk of infrastructure needed fir a new stadium all ready in place in OP it doesn't make sense to start new someplace else.  Plus, they've had 47 years to study traffic at that location.  Always a plus, in my opinion.

 

One reason to replace what we have is what we have is getting old. I know I was surprised to learn that Highmark (meh) Stadium is older than War Memorial was when it was replaced. And those of us old enough to remember that dump believed it was built by the Romans.

 

But the real reason for a new stadium is money. It's why the NFL has been pushing for one for what seems like forever. As far as the league is concerned, Bills tickets are too cheap. And you can't simply double prices in your current stadium. You have to build a new palace.

 

And it's more than just ticket prices. Other than charging you for parking, teams don't make money off tailgating. Instead of acres of people eating food they brought with them, replace it with bars and restaurants in and around your new palace, some of which the team owner might have a stake in.

 

So get ready for change.

 

 

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On 4/3/2021 at 7:41 PM, Saint Doug said:

Why exactly is the NFL demanding a “new” stadium? I don’t understand the economics begins building a new stadium versus the existing one. It’s not that a new stadium will fit more butts in the seats. 

One thing to remember is the NFL shares some revenues like TV deals. Basically that shared revenue covers player costs. There is a lot of money being shared. 

 

So what I'm trying to say is the Buffalo Bills likely wouldn't survive without shared revenue. So that's part of the reason why there is pressure on the Bills to get this done. They have to keep up with the league. Bills need to increase their revenue. 

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I’ve posted this before. The Bills have an opportunity to provide a completely different game day experience. One that fits their tail gating tradition and small city feel. A really creative design team would construct a new, modest, smaller capacity, open air, but covered seat stadium in Orchard Park that would have parking facility amenities to reinforce the tailgating experience. Then, simply charge more for parking and people would pay it. Large parking lot food, restroom, video, etc venues would make the pre and post game experience truly unique to WNY and very fitting to the Buffalo experience.

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