How will the Bills defend against the Patriots 2 new TEs?

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Punch them in the groin. 

[Ghost_002!]

28 minutes ago, Success said:

 

On that 1st line, it depends who it is.  If they find a way to get Watson, they'll have to cart me away for sure.  I'll probably be all wild-eyed and singing showtunes, or something like that.

 

But I agree. Cam's contract looks very much like that of a back-up.  It feels like BB has something in mind (and they could trade a ton of picks to move up in the draft now without missing out on too much, with all of the holes they have filled).

 

 

 

I think regradless of who the Pats QB will be. You guys are gonna be fine either way. Until they play, the Bills are the team to beat in this division. We may end up having one of the best divisions in football.

 

I am ok if this division isn't decided to the final game or games of the season. Gives me more of a reason to duck my to do list from the wife.

Edited March 18, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[prissythecat]

46 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Yes I advocate scoring more points than the other team.  The Bills spent too many years trying to not mistakes on offense, and play good defense.   It doesn't work and you have years of evidence to prove my point.

 

What works is scoring a lot of points.   When you say it doesn't work certain teams like KC, you're making the point about one team out of 32.   It doesnt always work against KC because they are smart, they also try to score more points than the other team.      The bottom line is winning a championship are insufferably hard to start with, but when you try to win one by playing defense you make it ten times harder on yourself.   17 of the last 20 Superbowls have been won by Hall of Fame, or future Hall of Fame Quarterbacks.  Those teams didn't win because they were able to cover Tight Ends, they won because they had the better player behind center on that day. 

 

I quickly looked at the last 6 Super Bowl winners and easily half of the wins were by teams that played defense well (E.g., Denver over Carolina,  New England over the Rams, Tampa over KC).    It is fun to watch a team be able to rack up the score. But if you don't have the ability to stop the other team, you will most likely be a spectator at the end of the season.

[thenorthremembers]

4 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

 

I quickly looked at the last 6 Super Bowl winners and easily half of the wins were by teams that played defense well (E.g., Denver over Carolina,  New England over the Rams, Tampa over KC).    It is fun to watch a team be able to rack up the score. But if you don't have the ability to stop the other team, you will most likely be a spectator at the end of the season.

Now go back and look how those teams got to the Championship in the first place.  It wasnt by winning games 17-10.

[Matt_In_NH]

Josh Allen with throw 15 touchdowns

[metbill]

They will use the endzones to stop them.

[prissythecat]

8 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:

Now go back and look how those teams got to the Championship in the first place.  It wasnt by winning games 17-10.

 

Denver offense ranking  in 2016 was 22,  New England offense ranking in 2019 was 15,    Tampa Bay offense ranking in 2020 was 7 .    No top 3-5 offense there .

[Coffeesforclosers]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

I expect them to make a run at Deshaun. I’d be shocked if they don’t.

 

I'd be shocked if they get him.  Dealing your 20-something franchise QB for anything less than the sun and the moon is a bad career move for a GM.  Dealing him to your old boss as the marquee move of your first ever season in the job is career suicide.

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

I'd be shocked if they get him.  Dealing your 20-something franchise QB for anything less than the sun and the moon is a bad career move for a GM.  Dealing him to your old boss as the marquee move of your first ever season in the job is career suicide.

Who’s to say they won’t give up the sun and the moon?

 

BB doesn’t give a crap about the 2025 Patriots.  He only cares about winning another super bowl while he’s the coach. If Kraft allows him to trade the farm for an elite QB that could run the team for another 10+ years, I don’t see why BB wouldn’t trade them 5+ 1st round picks.   It’s not like he makes good use of them.  Malcom Brown is his best 1st rd pick in the last 8 drafts. 
 

that said, I agree with you to an extent.  I would do my best to keep Watson if I’m Caserio.  Problem being, what if Watson really does sit out the next 1-3 years?  Dude has money.  He’s already set for life if he wasn’t a fool with his money.  If he wants to take a hard stance and sit out multiple years, not trading him will be career suicide.  Goes both ways.  Big decisions 

[Ghost_002!]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

I expect them to make a run at Deshaun. I’d be shocked if they don’t.

 

Honestly that would be the worse case scenario if they did get him for Caserio, the NFL and the pats because there are better teams offers out there for Watson, so it would call into question alot of things from fans, other teams n media alike.

 

I mean Watson would have to approve the trade but still..

Edited March 18, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

11 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Bills have the worst TE history in the NFL on both sides of the ball. They have never had a single pro bowl appearance and they are historically one of the worst teams when defending the TE. This transcends two owners, dozens of coaches, and hundreds of players.  It really is almost statically impossible for the Bills to be any worse with TE production and defense.

My take exactly. I can't figure out how for the 30 years I've been watching the Bills, they still get gashed by TE's and have never had one that can become a major weapon on offense. We could have had Gronk but we really needed Torrel Troupe  

 

[1st Ammendment NoMas]

3 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

I'm pretty sure you need a QB to get the ball to them.   Buffalo should sweep these bums

Should, but it's far from a given. NE will have a stout defense and BB knows how to scheme against us. He always out-coaches and outhinks McD. The monkey got off our back last year, but we will need to bring our A-game to sweep.  I think if they stick with Cam they will figure out ways to get him to become a game manager. If the NE OL holds up, then I think they can manage to score some points. I also think they are not done at QB yet. The gave Cam backup money.  Good, smart QB play brings NE back into the spotlight. 

 

Edited March 18, 2021 by BillsRdue

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

Honestly that would be the worse case scenario if they did get him for Caserio, the NFL and the pats because there are better teams offers out there for Watson, so it would call into question alot of things from fans, other teams n media alike.

 

I mean Watson would have to approve the trade but still..

Interesting, not sure what you mean based on how your post is worded....

 

do you mean:  there are teams out there that have offered more than the pats have for Watson?

 

do you mean:  there are better teams out there that have made offers for Watson?
 

What are the pats offering?

What have the other teams offered?

 

 

 

 

 

12 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Bills have the worst TE history in the NFL on both sides of the ball. They have never had a single pro bowl appearance and they are historically one of the worst teams when defending the TE. This transcends two owners, dozens of coaches, and hundreds of players.  It really is almost statically impossible for the Bills to be any worse with TE production and defense.

Iirc Ernie warlick, who played when I wasn’t even a thought, made the pro bowl every year he played.  
 

but I agree, we are the anti tight end and have been since the 60’s

[Ethan in Cleveland]

10 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Interesting, not sure what you mean based on how your post is worded....

 

do you mean:  there are teams out there that have offered more than the pats have for Watson?

 

do you mean:  there are better teams out there that have made offers for Watson?
 

What are the pats offering?

What have the other teams offered?

 

 

 

 

 

Iirc Ernie warlick, who played when I wasn’t even a thought, made the pro bowl every year he played.  
 

but I agree, we are the anti tight end and have been since the 60’s

Agree, I just looked at data going back to the first SB.  Missed Warlick.  And I will be honest, I thought Warlick was a WR not a TE.  Good learning opportunity for me.

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Agree, I just looked at data going back to the first SB.  Missed Warlick.  And I will be honest, I thought Warlick was a WR not a TE.  Good learning opportunity for me.

I just remembered him because my pops used to talk about him

[Marvlevydraftdaygenius]

Get rid of Leslie Frazier.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

41 minutes ago, prissythecat said:

 

Denver offense ranking  in 2016 was 22,  New England offense ranking in 2019 was 15,    Tampa Bay offense ranking in 2020 was 7 .    No top 3-5 offense there .

Ouch. Facts hurt! Add Seattle to that list as well.   Seattle 2014 9th in yards/game and 10th in points/game

[Locomark]

The same way they play against Baltimore...... only without having to worry about a very fast QB.... 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Can we revisit this question when we know the answer to the question "who will be the QB that is throwing to them?"

 

To the people who said that the Bills had trouble covering TE....

 

...that very much depended upon the skill set of the QB throwing to them.  Rivers (who knew exactly where to find the seams and where to go), Mahomes (master of manipulating with his eyes and also downfield game): problem. 

 

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[Ghost_002!]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Interesting, not sure what you mean based on how your post is worded....

 

do you mean:  there are teams out there that have offered more than the pats have for Watson?

 

do you mean:  there are better teams out there that have made offers for Watson?
 

What are the pats offering?

What have the other teams offered?

 

 

 

 

 

Iirc Ernie warlick, who played when I wasn’t even a thought, made the pro bowl every year he played.  
 

but I agree, we are the anti tight end and have been since the 60’s

 

 

Sorry about that. I meant draft capital wise..jets and the dolphins could offer more and a better package.

 

Picks and their young QBs since Texans would need a QB to at least start the season with.

 

I haven't heard anything official yet...but what can the pats offer? This year's number 1, next year's number 1 and Gilmore?? To me the jets have the best assets. They have a sh*t ton of draft picks from trading Adams away..

 

Edited March 18, 2021 by Ghost_002!

[P Riv]

4 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

 

Even those metrics, which are Cam's best, are still bottom half of the league. I guess we can say he appears to have nowhere to go but up so glass half full for the Patriots in terms of Cam playing better next year. 

I don't see it as half full, just a matter of NOT taking last year as a template to project how he would do this season.  Year 2 in the same system, full offseason, better personnel around him, etc.  They were only 54% in the Red Zone last year for scoring, so I'm pretty sure thats why they went out and got 2 new TE's and a slot.  They are now loaded at TE, slot, FB, have solid RBs and a physical O-line. 

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Sorry about that. I meant draft capital wise..jets and the dolphins could offer more and better package.

 

Picks and their young QBs since Texans would need a QB to at least start the season with.

Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.

 

 

If the jets or fins are willing to trade as many picks, they have the advantage.  No doubt.  If they aren’t willing to trade 5-6 1st rd picks, like Belichick might be willing to do, then it’s advantage pats. 
 

Belichick is at a different stage than saleh, Flores and their GMs. They most likely care about a few years down the road.  I don’t see why BB would care.  If I was him, I’d trade the house to get him.....IF the lawsuits prove to be bogus. 

[PatsFanNH]

9 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Sorry about that. I meant draft capital wise..jets and the dolphins could offer more and a better package.

 

Picks and their young QBs since Texans would need a QB to at least start the season with.

 

I haven't heard anything official yet...but what can the pats offer? This year's number 1, next year's number 1 and Gilmore?? To me the jets have the best assets. They have a sh*t ton of draft picks from trading Adams away..

 

It all comes down to where Watson wants to go. He has a no trade clause so he dictates who he wants to go to.  SUPPOSEDLY NY and Miami are out. He wants to go to SF or Denver now supposedly. 

[Ghost_002!]

3 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Gotcha. Thanks for clarifying.

 

 

If the jets or fins are willing to trade as many picks, they have the advantage.  No doubt.  If they aren’t willing to trade 5-6 1st rd picks, like Belichick might be willing to do, then it’s advantage pats. 
 

Belichick is at a different stage than saleh, Flores and their GMs. They most likely care about a few years down the road.  I don’t see why BB would care.  If I was him, I’d trade the house to get him.....IF the lawsuits prove to be bogus. 

 

 

For some reason I think the Texans don't really expect to get all those number 1s in return. I think they just made that statement hoping it will just deter teams from asking about Watson.

 

I think a good negotiator could get the Texans to take respectable amount in return for Watson..I mean in IMO they are dumb.

 

He doesn't want to play for them anymore and I dont see anything changing that. I think he is prepared to sit out.

 

And he like Stafford doesn't want to play for NE unless that changed.

8 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

It all comes down to where Watson wants to go. He has a no trade clause so he dictates who he wants to go to.  SUPPOSEDLY NY and Miami are out. He wants to go to SF or Denver now supposedly. 

 

 

Yea there are so many reports on where he is willing to play its gotten too damn confusing..

 

It would be great If he could go to SF so we can go after Jimmy....I really really don't want to see Cam behind center at any point this season..I seen enough.

[P Riv]

Watson has a minor legal issue right now, which will be a serious issue in terms of the NFL.  That might limit the teams involved....might.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

The same game plan we used against the Ravens should work just fine. I am also a huge fan of two TE formations because of the versatility and mismatch that it creates. Could you imagine the numbers Brady would’ve put up with Gronk, Hernandez and a WR like Diggs. 

[Ghost_002!]

4 minutes ago, P Riv said:

Watson has a minor legal issue right now, which will be a serious issue in terms of the NFL.  That might limit the teams involved....might.

 

Possibly..I think he might still be cool regardless, cause i never thought Antoine Brown was gonna play again....or Josh Gordon with all the crap they had going on...

[NewEra]

15 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

For some reason I think the Texans don't really expect to get all those number 1s in return. I think they just made that statement hoping it will just deter teams from asking about Watson.

 

I think a good negotiator could get the Texans to take respectable amount in return for Watson..I mean in IMO they are dumb.

 

He doesn't want to play for them anymore and I dont see anything changing that. I think he is prepared to sit out.

 

And he like Stafford doesn't want to play for NE unless that changed.

 

 

Yea there are so many reports on where he is willing to play its gotten too damn confusing..

 

It would be great If he could go to SF so we can go after Jimmy....I really really don't want to see Cam behind center at any point this season..I seen enough.

That might be the case.  
 

I don’t know anything about Caserio other than he’s highly regarded around the league. 
 

here’s the thing with Watson and his no trade clause.....he’s the one that’s demanding a trade. He can’t be too picky imo.  He’s saying denver and SF now, but that could change on a dime.  This lawsuit could really much things up too.  Get your popcorn ready.  
 

the only thing I hope that happens is Watson going to the NFC

[BaaadThingsMan]

Josh Allen TD passes

[Dont Stop Billeiving]

We were top five in the league at defending TEs in 2018 and 2019 before slipping last year. With Milano back healthy and another year of development for Edmunds, I expect us to improve against TEs this season. 

 

I'd still love to draft a Trevon Moehrig or Hamsah Nasirildeen though to give us more versatility and a potential TE neutralizer.

[DrPJax]

14 hours ago, BuffBillsForLife said:

Well we can't seem to cover TEs so hope Cam implodes and score 40+ points is the plan.

Can’t forget the pats d will improve. Brought van noy back, judon, plus guys that opted out were good. Also added at least three other guys I believe. One thing we have seen is our o struggle against BB defenses. If we don’t get better running the ball , and that includes devin learning how to stop dropping critical screens or wheel routes, moss getting better vision as an nfl back , we become so one dimensional that our o can be neutralized much like it was in the playoffs. We scored 27, 17, 24 points , so hanging 40 is not some given thing.   An o with two TES, and a power run game will limit possessions appears to be the pats plan as they know they can’t air it out with us.  
 

This is where Frazier needs to be better. Maybe go 4-3 with Klein coming in and get away from soft , off coverage zone , or bring in thick nickel package with 3 rd safety or perhaps large cb (6’2” etc from draft ) to help support run and help with TE coverage.   Pats will make huge roster improvement this year , whereas so far we are locked in because of lack of cap space.  Hope somehow we get ertz or if somehow etienne fell , we learned watching kc last year add with CEH, giving josh more dynamic weapons trumps picking up some much lower rated edge guy who won’t immediately produce much. I think scheme is our path to limiting pats and I hope we keep improving our strength, the o, so that 40 point total gets close to consistently being possible.  If we can avg 33 points ( up from 29), this d may still be enough to get us back to afc championship game and beyond.