Anyone interested in Jonnu Smith? EDITED He signed with the Patzies. they over paid

[PrimeTime101]

 

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Edited March 15, 2021 by PrimeTime101

[Buffalo03]

2 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

 

 

Might be worth looking into

Hunter Henry or Jonnu are my number 1 targets in free agency this year. Pass rusher #2

[CaptnCoke11]

No

[PrimeTime101]

Just now, CaptnCoke11 said:

No

really why no?

 

1 minute ago, Buffalo03 said:

Hunter Henry or Jonnu are my number 1 targets in free agency this year. Pass rusher #2

I agree

[CaptnCoke11]

Just now, PrimeTime101 said:

really why no?

 

I agree

Our offense is so WR centric I don’t see them spending 8+ million a year on a tight end unless they plan on going 21 personal mostly.  

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

Our offense is so WR centric I don’t see them spending 8+ million a year on a tight end unless they plan on going 21 personal mostly.  

Our offense needs to change.  Keep it the same is a loser mentality.  Evolve.  Improve. Get better.  Become more multidimensional.  If we don’t, we’ll lose.  
 

that’s not to say that we need to spend big bucks on a TE, but our offense being so WR centric and losing John brown doesn’t bode well for “improving”.  We have to improve.  

[PrimeTime101]

2 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

Our offense is so WR centric I don’t see them spending 8+ million a year on a tight end unless they plan on going 21 personal mostly.  

this statement is so wrong.. IF brown were here still I might agree but he's not. Your living in the past... our Offense was not dynamic enough, getting around the 8th best TE in the NFL would help with that.

Just now, NewEra said:

Our offense needs to change.  Keep it the same is a loser mentality.  Evolve.  Improve. Get better.  Become more multidimensional.  If we don’t, we’ll lose.  
 

that’s not to say that we need to spend big bucks on a TE, but our offense being so WR centric and losing John brown doesn’t bode well for “improving”.  We have to improve.  

100% agree! teams with top 10 TE are proving how important it is to have a great TE 

[Victory Formation]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Hunter Henry or Jonnu are my number 1 targets in free agency this year. Pass rusher #2

Hunter Henry would be epic. Especially because there’s a good chance that Knox may come along. That would be a great wrinkle to show on offense, we would probably be able to run the ball better that way too.

[Kmart128]

He is one guy i want. Hopefully we have the money for him

[glazeduck]

Both Henry and Smith are going to be out of our price range, unfortunately.

 

I think Rudolph or trading for Njoku are probably our best bets, barring Feirmuth dropping to our 2nd rd pick...

[947]

5 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

Our offense is so WR centric I don’t see them spending 8+ million a year on a tight end unless they plan on going 21 personal mostly.  

The Chiefs were able to significantly slow the WR-centric aspect of our offense down with physical & illegal play. The blueprint is out, and we can expect to see more of that in 2021. A competent receiving TE is a need if we want to keep the offense rolling.

[PrimeTime101]

1 minute ago, Victory Formation said:

Hunter Henry would be epic. Especially because there’s a good chance that Knox may come along. That would be a great wrinkle to show on offense, we would probably be able to run the ball better that way too.

I actually think either or would be Epic. It allows you to do more things.

[MiltonWaddams]

Counting on the organic development and maturation of Dawson Knox is not a good way to move forward into next season. Having a top 10 tight end in this offense would be a good evolution in my opinion. As such, Smith should be on the Bills radar. As should Ertz, Henry, Gronk and any other available high-quality TE’s.

Edited March 15, 2021 by MiltonWaddams

[PrimeTime101]

Just now, glazeduck said:

Both Henry and Smith are going to be out of our price range, unfortunately.

 

I think Rudolph or trading for Njoku are probably our best bets, barring Feirmuth dropping to our 2nd rd pick...

I really hate hearing about out of price range blah ... There are ways to structure contracts that helps that.

Just now, MiltonWaddams said:

Counting on the organic development and maturation of Dawson Knox is not a good way to move forward into next season. Having a top 10 tight end in this office would be a good evolution in my opinion. As such, Smith should be on the Bills radar. As should Ertz, Henry, Gronk and any other available high-quality TE’s.

Again 100% agree. Now we find out if Bean gave smoke screen on TE position or not. I think we will find out really fast.

[MJS]

He's going to get top dollar.

[MiltonWaddams]

1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said:

I really hate hearing about out of price range blah ... There are ways to structure contracts that helps that.

Agreed, but even with some inventive cap management, it would be tough to pay a tight end the $10 million plus per year that those two are going to get and fill out the roster and pay the draft picks for this year. This is going to be a very exciting week to see how they manage to fill out the roster.

[Victory Formation]

Just now, PrimeTime101 said:

I actually think either or would be Epic. It allows you to do more things.

I really liked how New England’s offense looked with Gronk and Hernandez. We obviously run the Erhardt-Perkins offense, the same one they were running back then. I think by having two big bodied TEs on the field our passing game would open up, as well as the running game and coincidentally the play action as well, which Allen thrives at. 

[glazeduck]

Just now, PrimeTime101 said:

I really hate hearing about out of price range blah ... There are ways to structure contracts that helps that.

lol sorry for trying to bring some reality to the conversation. Perhaps I should've been more explicit (read: boring.) You can't sign everybody, teams have their priorities and I tend to believe that TE is low on this team's priority list. Lower, certainly, than CB, pass rush, DL, OL, WR, RB, KR/PR and probably backup QB. 

 

Yes contractual funny money sometimes exists in the NFL, but just because it *can* happen, doesn't mean Jonnu's up for that, won't get a better offer elsewhere, or we'll even try to do that (see priority comments above). 

I'll gladly be wrong, because I love Jonnu's game, but I don't see it here...

[PrimeTime101]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

He's going to get top dollar.

OH like everyone said Milano was going to get top Dollar ?

 

Sorry one can say this about any player coming out. 

[Ya Digg?]

3 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

I really hate hearing about out of price range blah ... There are ways to structure contracts that helps that.

Again 100% agree. Now we find out if Bean gave smoke screen on TE position or not. I think we will find out really fast.

EXACTLY! Tampa was in a similar cap situation as the Bills and they just handed out huge contracts to Brady, Godwin, David, and Barrett...the Bills can sign Smith or any guy they want 

[PrimeTime101]

1 minute ago, MiltonWaddams said:

Agreed, but even with some inventive cap management, it would be tough to pay a tight end the $10 million plus per year that those two are going to get and fill out the roster and pay the draft picks for this year. This is going to be a very exciting week to see how they manage to fill out the roster.

pay them better next year when we have a ton more room and especially with covid cap rate bouncing back up

[US Egg]

McBeane really ought to pay attention to these threads.

 

They might learn something.

[MJS]

1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said:

OH like everyone said Milano was going to get top Dollar ?

 

Sorry one can say this about any player coming out. 

Well, he's going to. Milano didn't hit free agency.

[PrimeTime101]

2 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

I really liked how New England’s offense looked with Gronk and Hernandez. We obviously run the Erhardt-Perkins offense, the same one they were running back then. I think by having two big bodied TEs on the field our passing game would open up, as well as the running game and coincidentally the play action as well, which Allen thrives at. 

I did too. 

Just now, MJS said:

Well, he's going to. Milano didn't hit free agency.

oh come on... Everyone said Milano was going to hit FA and was going to ask for Top Dollar.

 

You can make your exact statement with any player in FA coming up.. Sorry, saying someone getting top dollar now a days is more like a figure of speech these days

[glazeduck]

Just now, MJS said:

Well, he's going to. Milano didn't hit free agency.

Exactly. Jonnu Smith isn't negotiating with the Bills in a vacuum here (if he's negotiating with them at all). The market will dictate his price and terms of his contract, having the ability to craft a contract in a way that's beneficial to our cap situation and doing so with Smith onboard and excited about that proposition are 2 completely different things. This is Madden thinking and not the reality of how free agency works.

[Rc2catch]

I think Jonnu is kinda overrated. 
He was invisible for multiple games in Tennessee. And some of those games were when Henry struggled so it’s not like they just ran effective and did not pass. Many games he was the #2 option in the pass game and made zero impact. He had a jump in touchdowns this season but imo Kroft could of had 8 touchdowns on that team with how defenses sold out to stop Henry. He seems to get a lot of love on here but I see him as a very average player. 

[PrimeTime101]

6 minutes ago, glazeduck said:

lol sorry for trying to bring some reality to the conversation. Perhaps I should've been more explicit (read: boring.) You can't sign everybody, teams have their priorities and I tend to believe that TE is low on this team's priority list. Lower, certainly, than CB, pass rush, DL, OL, WR, RB, KR/PR and probably backup QB. 

 

Yes contractual funny money sometimes exists in the NFL, but just because it *can* happen, doesn't mean Jonnu's up for that, won't get a better offer elsewhere, or we'll even try to do that (see priority comments above). 

I'll gladly be wrong, because I love Jonnu's game, but I don't see it here...

You got a thumbs up from me because your explaining why you feel this way instead of just saying no... or we cant afford it. As much as I disagree I respect your opinion. Just keep in mind.. There are plenty of contracts our GM can still renegotiate to get players in here. I think its possible. Dont want to keep reminding people of the name CLAY but remember the contract he got in tough times.

Edited March 15, 2021 by PrimeTime101

[MJS]

3 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

I did too. 

oh come on... Everyone said Milano was going to hit FA and was going to ask for Top Dollar.

 

You can make your exact statement with any player in FA coming up.. Sorry, saying someone getting top dollar now a days is more like a figure of speech these days

I'm not sure what you mean. Jonnu Smith IS hitting free agency. Matt Milano decided to sign a team friendly deal to stay with his team. Smith chose to test free agency.

[PrimeTime101]

I think some of you are forgetting... 

 

BUFFALO IS IT!!!

 

This is the place players WANT to be. 

 

We are the next thing coming.

 

 

Edited March 15, 2021 by PrimeTime101

[glazeduck]

Just now, PrimeTime101 said:

You got a thumbs up from me because your explaining why you feel this way instead of just saying no... or we cant afford it. As much as I disagree I respect your opinion. Just keep in mind.. There are plenty of contracts our GM can still renegotiate to get players in here. I think its possible.

Possible, yes and again -- I'd LOVE to see it. I just think the athletic TE is too big of a trend in the league right now for him to come to a team that has to do a whole bunch of cap karate to even get in the discussion, ya know? His agent's job is to get him top dollar, so he would have to really want to come to Buffalo, and I feel like we would've heard something about that by now. 

[Ya Digg?]

7 minutes ago, glazeduck said:

lol sorry for trying to bring some reality to the conversation. Perhaps I should've been more explicit (read: boring.) You can't sign everybody, teams have their priorities and I tend to believe that TE is low on this team's priority list. Lower, certainly, than CB, pass rush, DL, OL, WR, RB, KR/PR and probably backup QB. 

 

Yes contractual funny money sometimes exists in the NFL, but just because it *can* happen, doesn't mean Jonnu's up for that, won't get a better offer elsewhere, or we'll even try to do that (see priority comments above). 

I'll gladly be wrong, because I love Jonnu's game, but I don't see it here...

 

1 minute ago, PrimeTime101 said:

You got a thumbs up from me because your explaining why you feel this way instead of just saying no... or we cant afford it. As much as I disagree I respect your opinion. Just keep in mind.. There are plenty of contracts our GM can still renegotiate to get players in here. I think its possible. Dont want to keep reminding people of the name CLAY but remember the contract he got in tough times.

I don’t like this respectful discussion from 2 people on opposing sides, it’s really throwing me off!!

[PrimeTime101]

Just now, MJS said:

I'm not sure what you mean. Jonnu Smith IS hitting free agency. Matt Milano decided to sign a team friendly deal to stay with his team. Smith chose to test free agency.

drop it that he didnt hit FA.. Just consider the sources that everyone said he wanted top dollar. Some times its not about money its about wanting a ring!

2 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

 

I don’t like this respectful discussion from 2 people on opposing sides, it’s really throwing me off!!

Its refreshing.

[nbbillsfan]

Jonnu is a tough one. I watched him a ton last year because I had him and King Henry on my biggest money fantasy team.

 

Guys never had a 90 yard game. Seems to have good traits and does flash at times, but doesn't consistently contribute. Hard to tell if he is what he is, or if he has untapped potential as the Titans used him as a blocker a ton. 

[JimmyNoodles]

IN on Jonnu. You have to play with the cap this year. Going forward should be fine with money. Young and physical stud. Loving the idea of two TE set of him and Knox. The window is now. Got to make some stuff happen, whether this or other players. Can’t stand pat. 

[Reed83HOF]

23 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Our offense needs to change.  Keep it the same is a loser mentality.  Evolve.  Improve. Get better.  Become more multidimensional.  If we don’t, we’ll lose.  
 

that’s not to say that we need to spend big bucks on a TE, but our offense being so WR centric and losing John brown doesn’t bode well for “improving”.  We have to improve.  

Samuel, Curtis

[MJS]

8 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

drop it that he didnt hit FA.. Just consider the sources that everyone said he wanted top dollar. Some times its not about money its about wanting a ring!

But now that free agency is opening, it's pretty clear that Jonnu Smith is looking for a competitive offer. He can make a lot of money AND go to a contender.

 

I don't put much stock in rumors anyway. I never considered the Milano rumors to be anything substantial. But literally everyone was surprised we signed Milano. Why? Because 9 times out of 10, players like to test the market and sign as big a deal as they can. 

 

And if we are going to throw some money around, I'd rather they bring in a good corner or a good pass rusher. TE is not a huge priority for me. But it's up to Beane. He'll do what he thinks helps the team now and in the future. But I believe part of building a perennially successful team is to not give out big contracts in free agency, but to build through the draft.

 

The Bills have an opportunity to do that. They have a great core of players. They don't need to build through free agency anymore. They can focus on drafting and developing players. They can sign value free agents. Occasionally, for a very specific difference maker, they could overpay for a free agent, but that has to be balanced with a very sound cap strategy.

Edited March 15, 2021 by MJS

[NewEra]

2 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

Samuel, Curtis

Too expensive imo

[947]

5 minutes ago, nbbillsfan said:

Jonnu is a tough one. I watched him a ton last year because I had him and King Henry on my biggest money fantasy team.

 

Guys never had a 90 yard game. Seems to have good traits and does flash at times, but doesn't consistently contribute. Hard to tell if he is what he is, or if he has untapped potential as the Titans used him as a blocker a ton. 

Titans attempted 485 passes last year (bottom 3rd of the league), Bills attempted 596 (3rd in the league). I'd have to assume he'd have more opportunity with us.

[PrimeTime101]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

But now that free agency is opening, it's pretty clear that Jonnu Smith is looking for a competitive offer. He can make a lot of money AND go to a contender.

 

I don't put much stock in rumors anyway. I never considered the Milano rumors to be anything substantial. But literally everyone was surprised we signed Milano. Why? Because 9 times out of 10, players like to test the market and sign as big a deal as they can. 

 

And if we are going to throw some money around, I'd rather they bring in a good corner or a good pass rusher. TE is not a huge priority for me. But it's up to Beane. He'll do what he thinks helps the team now and in the future. But I believe part of building a perennially successful team is to not give out big contracts in free agency, but to build through the draft.

 

The Bills have an opportunity to do that. They have a great core of players. They don't need to build through free agency anymore. They can focus on drafting and developing players. They can sign value free agents. Occasionally, for a very specific difference maker, they could overpay for a free agent, but that has to be balanced with a very sound cap strategy.

So I hear ya and you changed your tune on the money thing which is ok for me I guess but What corner or Pass rusher can we get for 8 mil or less (what people think Jonnu will get) that would be impactful ?

[mathja]

I’m getting a Charles Clay vibe. I don’t know if that’s off-base. They both seem like athletic undersized tight ends. 
Clay probably got paid more than what he was worth to the team those few seasons.

 

Clay also dealt with any issues. Bottom line, is John Smith on the rise, or have we already seen the best of him?