My 2021 draft strategy

[NewEra]

I know it’s easier said that done and it takes two to tango, but I think trading down 2-3 times, maybe before we even make one selection, would yield us the best possible talent. I’d be willing to trade all of our draft picks to secure 5 picks in rd 2-3.   If we have to trade a 4-7th rd picks next year to accomplish that, so be it.  
 

Give me one player in each of the first 3 groups: 

IOL-  Wyatt Davis, creed Humphrey, teven Jenkins (i’d play him at guard and maybe eventually take over for Williams), Alex Leatherwood, Tre smith or Deonte Brown

 

Pass rusher- Jaelen Phillips, Joseph Ossai, Patrick Jones,  Carlos Basham, Jordan Smith, Ronnie Perkins (he’s on the smaller

side for our D, but I love the guy)

 

WR- Dwayne Eskeridge, Tylan Wallace, Dyami Brown, Elijah Moore, Demetric Felton, Rondale Moore, maybe terrace Marshal/Amari Rodgers 

 

pick 2 more, BPA
 

DT- Alim McNeil, Jay tufele, Tyler shelvin, 

 

TE-  Brevin Jordan, Pat freiermuth, Tommy tremble and maybe Hunter Long
 

CB- Ifeati Melifonwu, Greg Newsome, Tyson Campbell, Eric stokes, Kelvin Joseph.

 

RB- Javonte Williams, Kenneth Gainwell, Michael Carter, maybe Chubba

 

While not trying to be greedy and taking all probable 2nd rd picks, I’d be really happy with this:

Wyatt Davis 

Patrick Jones 

Dwayne Eskeridge

Tyler Shelvin

Kenneth Gainwell

 

Shelvin, Gainwell and Eskeridge could all be 3rd rd picks. Even Jones has a chance I suppose.  3 future trench starters and 2 big time playmakers.  
 

This draft has a bunch of quality players in positions of need (or needs in the near future).  Take advantage of it and trade down Beane!  
 

 

 

 

 

[Mynamemike]

I’d like to see us get one more top quality pass rusher in free agency first, but heck ya I think we should trade back at least once for a pick or two more this year.  Then Load up on secondary and offensive line with those picks. 

Edited March 13, 2021 by Mynamemike

[NewEra]

4 minutes ago, Mynamemike said:

I’d like to see us get one more top quality pass rusher in free agency first, but heck ya I think we should trade back at least once for a pick or two more this year.  Then Load up on secondary and offensive line with those picks. 

Yeah....I’d love to land a quality pass rusher in FA, I’m just not sure we have enough cap room to make that happen now.  I think we may have to settle for a 1 year prove it/ring chaser deal with a vet, rather than the Lawsons and Hendricksons that we’d love.  
 

if we landed a pass rusher in FA, I’d probably stay away for one in the draft.  That would give us Hughes, FA pass rusher, Addison, epenesa and Bam.  Not much playing time left. Replace Patrick jones with Brevin Jordan  bolster the O.

[wppete]

Great list!!!

 

I think we go DE and CB in the first 2 rounds. 

[Jerboski]

Would love to snag the unc RB with the second pick and Wyatt Davis with the first or the best DE/DT

[NewEra]

12 minutes ago, Jerboski said:

Would love to snag the unc RB with the second pick and Wyatt Davis with the first or the best DE/DT

I love both UNC rbs.  Javonte is the better back imo, but Carter compliments Moss better imo.  I’d be happy with either.  I just love Gainwells explosion through the hole and to daylight 

[Victory Formation]

I want Boogie Basham and Elijah Moore RD1 and RD2. That’s my ideal Day 1 - Day 2 of the draft, but this isn’t a job to me, this is pure fun and not even an ounce of speculation. I trust Beane.

[Aussie Joe]

What do you think our 2022 picks 4-7 will be worth in a move up?

 

Not much value there on the draft chart...

 

Given the uncertainty this year in the pre draft process and players opting out... this is probably the year when there is going to be some good candidates slipping to Day 3 

Edited March 13, 2021 by Aussie Joe

[maddenboy]

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

if we landed a pass rusher in FA, I’d probably stay away [from] one in the draft.  That would give us Hughes, FA pass rusher, Addison, epenesa and Bam.  Not much playing time left

But I dont want my rookies begging for time.  I want them to make me make hard decisions because they're too good to keep off the field.

 

(understanding that QB might be the arguable exception).

 

For this, I mean like the first 3 rounders should be playing asap, because they are just too good, because we drafted well.

[krf139]

I really wish we'd stop wasting picks on RBs unless we get one who's a game changer.

[PrimeTime101]

1 hour ago, krf139 said:

I really wish we'd stop wasting picks on RBs unless we get one who's a game changer.

Agree any one of the top 3 or don't bother. Maybe even top 2.

[Coach Tuesday]

The problem is the entire league is going to be trying to load up on cheap draft labor - trade downs will be harder and less lucrative this draft, I worry.

[TPS]

10 hours ago, wppete said:

Great list!!!

 

I think we go DE and CB in the first 2 rounds. 

I'm on board with the emphasis on D.  I'm settling in to the idea the Bills should focus the first 3 picks on D.  Tampa showed how to beat KC, and the Bills can establish an elite D with a few more pieces.  My hope is they sign a good Edge rusher in FA, if it's financially feasible, so I would only go DE if the right person on their list fell.  My two strategies:

Without trading back.

30. S Moehrig   I think he is the kind of chess piece missing for McD, that hybrid big nickel.

61. CB  While D. Jackson might be an upgrade to Wallace, it's not certain.  You still want an upgrade in talent there.

93. DT   I want another run stuffer, and the guy I like is Togiai, though they may need to move up from 93 to get him.

 

The alternative is similar to @NewEra strategy, trade back into the 45ish range to pick up an additional pick in the 70s.

Pick 1: CB, someone like Newsome or Asante should be available here

61. S Nasirildeen also projected as that big nickel type

Pick 2 from trade   I'd get DT Togiai here.

93.  At this point, I'd go O and select someone like TE Tremble or C Meinerz.

 

Defense wins championships is not a cliche. Build an elite D.  Yes, the Bills could use another playmaker on O, but those playmakers didn't help against Tampa's D. In fact, the reason I'd go all in on D is because we have Allen, which makes our O as good as almost any.

 

 

[Coach Tuesday]

I might do the opposite - trade up for Jaycee Horn.  @BillfromNYC might kill me but he’s the player I want.  Long arms, killer instinct and great ball skills.  Then use the rest of the picks on hybrid passrusher types and speed on offense.  Find a guard in the 6th round or as a UDFA.  The scouts and pro personnel guys really need to earn their salaries and justify the hype this offseason.

[NewEra]

10 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

What do you think our 2022 picks 4-7 will be worth in a move up?

 

Not much value there on the draft chart...

 

Given the uncertainty this year in the pre draft process and players opting out... this is probably the year when there is going to be some good candidates slipping to Day 3 

Not sure what they are worth.  I’m not going into logistics, it’s just a foundation for a strategy.  Trade down a couple times and then trade up to take advantage of the talent in rd 2-3.

[NewEra]

56 minutes ago, TPS said:

I'm on board with the emphasis on D.  I'm settling in to the idea the Bills should focus the first 3 picks on D.  Tampa showed how to beat KC, and the Bills can establish an elite D with a few more pieces.  My hope is they sign a good Edge rusher in FA, if it's financially feasible, so I would only go DE if the right person on their list fell.  My two strategies:

Without trading back.

30. S Moehrig   I think he is the kind of chess piece missing for McD, that hybrid big nickel.

61. CB  While D. Jackson might be an upgrade to Wallace, it's not certain.  You still want an upgrade in talent there.

93. DT   I want another run stuffer, and the guy I like is Togiai, though they may need to move up from 93 to get him.

 

The alternative is similar to @NewEra strategy, trade back into the 45ish range to pick up an additional pick in the 70s.

Pick 1: CB, someone like Newsome or Asante should be available here

61. S Nasirildeen also projected as that big nickel type

Pick 2 from trade   I'd get DT Togiai here.

93.  At this point, I'd go O and select someone like TE Tremble or C Meinerz.

 

Defense wins championships is not a cliche. Build an elite D.  Yes, the Bills could use another playmaker on O, but those playmakers didn't help against Tampa's D. In fact, the reason I'd go all in on D is because we have Allen, which makes our O as good as almost any.

 

 

Tampa showed that they got extremely lucky that the chiefs had 5 backup offensive lineman starting in the super bowl.

 

can you imagine if we had started along the OL:  Ty Nsekhe, Boettger, Bates, Lonnie mcguder and Trey adams?  We’d have little to no chance to win.  Any team would have little chance to win....especially in the super bowl.  
 

The Bucs D was great, but I don’t feel that the blueprint to beating the chiefs is to build  an elite D.  Every team would love to guild an elite D.  Easier said than done.  How many “elite D’s” have we seen in the last 20 years? 6-7 maybe? How many teams have built an elite D while paying a QB big bucks?  None?  
 

The Bucs signed 14 players to 1 year ring chasing deals and played against 5 backup OL.  Imo, the Bucs showed us that they can dominate 5 backup OL.  Our D couldn’t touch Mahomes vs 4 backup OL.  I don’t feel as if we are a pass rusher, CB and run stiffer away.  Edmunds isn’t close to the same level as Devin white.  Milano isnt david.  None of our pass rushers are as good as Barrett and JPP. 
 

My point:  we won’t be holding the chiefs to 0 TDs.  Probably ever.  For the rest of Mahomes’ career, chiefs OL will likely be better than the OL that the Bucs faced.  Getting that kind of pressure on him all game will likely never be replicated again.  They are going to score....just like they put up 31 vs the niners elite d in the previous super bowl. (The 2019 niners D >>> the 2020 Bucs D).  Meanwhile, the chiefs middling defense dominated out offense two times last season.  If we were to be so lucky as to shutdown the chiefs O....we would still probably lose, because our offense isn’t good enough.  
 

He have work to do on both sides of the ball and building an elite D is easier said than done. Barrett, Vea, Suh, JPP, White and David aren’t walking through the doors anytime soon.  And KC won’t be walking through the door with 5 backup OL either.  I don’t feel that this years super bowl told us anything about how to beat the chiefs.....we’ll never see that chiefs team again.  
 

i LOVE Moehrig.  I think he’s a top 15-20 player in this draft and I’d be thrilled if we landed him.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

11 hours ago, NewEra said:

I know it’s easier said that done and it takes two to tango, but I think trading down 2-3 times, maybe before we even make one selection, would yield us the best possible talent. I’d be willing to trade all of our draft picks to secure 5 picks in rd 2-3.   If we have to trade a 4-7th rd picks next year to accomplish that, so be it.  
 

Give me one player in each of the first 3 groups: 

IOL-  Wyatt Davis, creed Humphrey, teven Jenkins (i’d play him at guard and maybe eventually take over for Williams), Alex Leatherwood, Tre smith or Deonte Brown

 

Pass rusher- Jaelen Phillips, Joseph Ossai, Patrick Jones,  Carlos Basham, Jordan Smith, Ronnie Perkins (he’s on the smaller

side for our D, but I love the guy)

 

WR- Dwayne Eskeridge, Tylan Wallace, Dyami Brown, Elijah Moore, Demetric Felton, Rondale Moore, maybe terrace Marshal/Amari Rodgers 

 

pick 2 more, BPA
 

DT- Alim McNeil, Jay tufele, Tyler shelvin, 

 

TE-  Brevin Jordan, Pat freiermuth, Tommy tremble and maybe Hunter Long
 

CB- Ifeati Melifonwu, Greg Newsome, Tyson Campbell, Eric stokes, Kelvin Joseph.

 

RB- Javonte Williams, Kenneth Gainwell, Michael Carter, maybe Chubba

 

While not trying to be greedy and taking all probable 2nd rd picks, I’d be really happy with this:

Wyatt Davis 

Patrick Jones 

Dwayne Eskeridge

Tyler Shelvin

Kenneth Gainwell

 

Shelvin, Gainwell and Eskeridge could all be 3rd rd picks. Even Jones has a chance I suppose.  3 future trench starters and 2 big time playmakers.  
 

This draft has a bunch of quality players in positions of need (or needs in the near future).  Take advantage of it and trade down Beane!  
 

 

 

 

 

 

It's always easy to find a tango partner if you're willing to let the other person take the lead.  i.e. you may not get 100 cents on the dollar, maybe you only take 90 to 95 cents back.  In the Bills situation 90 cents may be worth it.

 

 

[NewEra]

46 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

I might do the opposite - trade up for Jaycee Horn.  @BillfromNYC might kill me but he’s the player I want.  Long arms, killer instinct and great ball skills.  Then use the rest of the picks on hybrid passrusher types and speed on offense.  Find a guard in the 6th round or as a UDFA.  The scouts and pro personnel guys really need to earn their salaries and justify the hype this offseason.

I love Horn.  I think he’s top 15ish.  Trading up will cost a grip.

 

I pray we don’t give up picks to trade up.  We need help on O too.  The chiefs are much better in every aspect offensively.  Better Pass catcher, OL, QB, RB and coaching.  If we don’t add any playmakers (I feel we need at least 2 more), our fate will likely be the same. A change is scheme will help, but will it be enough?  Idk

1 minute ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

It's always easy to find a tango partner if you're willing to let the other person take the lead.  i.e. you may not get 100 cents on the dollar, maybe you only take 90 to 95 cents back.  In the Bills situation 90 cents may be worth it.

 

 

Ageed.  While we may not be able to acquire 5 picks in rd 2-3, 5 picks in rds 2-4 should be possible

[Thurman#1]

I think a lot of your pass rushers are 3-4 OLBs. Yeah, they're pass rushers but don't fit here.

 

Otherwise, though, most of it sounds good to me.

[Coach Tuesday]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

I love Horn.  I think he’s top 15ish.  Trading up will cost a grip.

 

I pray we don’t give up picks to trade up.  We need help on O too.  The chiefs are much better in every aspect offensively.  Better Pass catcher, OL, QB, RB and coaching.  If we don’t add any playmakers (I feel we need at least 2 more), our fate will likely be the same. A change is scheme will help, but will it be enough?  Idk

Ageed.  While we may not be able to acquire 5 picks in rd 2-3, 5 picks in rds 2-4 should be possible

Top 15 may be too steep for a move up but again this is the year to do it - they don’t have enough holes on the roster for a full slate of rookies and there will be teams trading down trying to acquire more cheap labor in a cap-crunched year.

[Logic]

I agree that this is a year in which trading down would be a great idea.

 

The difference in talent level from pick 30 to pick 45 seems negligible.

 

With big contracts starting to get handed out and with Allen and maybe Edmunds extensions looming, it’s time to fill in the roster with cheap labor.

 

Trading down twice before picking, netting a couple more third round picks, would be amazing. At the very least, I bet Beane finds a way to recoup the 4th round pick that he lost in the Diggs trade.

[NewEra]

8 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Top 15 may be too steep for a move up but again this is the year to do it - they don’t have enough holes on the roster for a full slate of rookies and there will be teams trading down trying to acquire more cheap labor in a cap-crunched year.

I think we have several holes and we have very little to no cap room.

 

RG/backup C-  we have no RG and our LG is below average.  Our center is a snap away from being retired.

 

John Browns replacement- Davis is fine, but who replaces Davis?  Injuries happen.  We need more playmakers.  Our WRs were blanketed by KCs secondary.  

 

TE2-  maybe TE1-  17 didn’t even want to throw knox the ball when he was wide open.

 

CB2-  there’s a reason we played so far off the KC receivers. 
 

Pass rusher-  we return our top 4 DEs..... and our pass rush must improve.  
 

RB-  some don’t see it as a need, but I think our O needs a back that the defense with have to account for.  We need one back with speed.  We currently have none

 

Edited March 13, 2021 by NewEra

[BuffaloBills1998]

14 hours ago, NewEra said:

I know it’s easier said that done and it takes two to tango, but I think trading down 2-3 times, maybe before we even make one selection, would yield us the best possible talent. I’d be willing to trade all of our draft picks to secure 5 picks in rd 2-3.   If we have to trade a 4-7th rd picks next year to accomplish that, so be it.  
 

Give me one player in each of the first 3 groups: 

IOL-  Wyatt Davis, creed Humphrey, teven Jenkins (i’d play him at guard and maybe eventually take over for Williams), Alex Leatherwood, Tre smith or Deonte Brown

 

Pass rusher- Jaelen Phillips, Joseph Ossai, Patrick Jones,  Carlos Basham, Jordan Smith, Ronnie Perkins (he’s on the smaller

side for our D, but I love the guy)

 

WR- Dwayne Eskeridge, Tylan Wallace, Dyami Brown, Elijah Moore, Demetric Felton, Rondale Moore, maybe terrace Marshal/Amari Rodgers 

 

pick 2 more, BPA
 

DT- Alim McNeil, Jay tufele, Tyler shelvin, 

 

TE-  Brevin Jordan, Pat freiermuth, Tommy tremble and maybe Hunter Long
 

CB- Ifeati Melifonwu, Greg Newsome, Tyson Campbell, Eric stokes, Kelvin Joseph.

 

RB- Javonte Williams, Kenneth Gainwell, Michael Carter, maybe Chubba

 

While not trying to be greedy and taking all probable 2nd rd picks, I’d be really happy with this:

Wyatt Davis 

Patrick Jones 

Dwayne Eskeridge

Tyler Shelvin

Kenneth Gainwell

 

Shelvin, Gainwell and Eskeridge could all be 3rd rd picks. Even Jones has a chance I suppose.  3 future trench starters and 2 big time playmakers.  
 

This draft has a bunch of quality players in positions of need (or needs in the near future).  Take advantage of it and trade down Beane!  
 

 

 

 

 

Not a fan of your RB pick, I’d prefer Najee Harris but I like the rest of your picks

[NewEra]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Not a fan of your RB pick, I’d prefer Najee Harris but I like the rest of your picks

Najee Harris won’t be available after trade down...... so that’s why he wasn’t included.

 

make sense?

[NewEra]

10 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Not a fan of your RB pick, I’d prefer Najee Harris but I like the rest of your picks

Just wondering what you don’t like about Gainwell?  Have you watched him play?

[HappyDays]

I want one of these 4 players in the draft:

 

Travis Etienne

Kadarius Toney

Kenneth Gainwell

Rondale Moore

 

At least one of those players will be available with our first 2 picks. If it's with a trade up, trade down, or staying put, I don't care. Just get some speed on the offense. The most intriguing name out of those 4 for me is Gainwell but any one of them I'd be happy with.

[BuffaloBills1998]

2 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Just wondering what you don’t like about Gainwell?  Have you watched him play?

Because he’s another small Speedback and we already have those, this offense needs a bruiser. Gainwell is 5”11” and 195 lbs vs Harris who’s 6”2” and 229-230. Lbs

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I want one of these 4 players in the draft:

 

Travis Etienne

Kadarius Toney

Kenneth Gainwell

Rondale Moore

 

At least one of those players will be available with our first 2 picks. If it's with a trade up, trade down, or staying put, I don't care. Just get some speed on the offense. The most intriguing name out of those 4 for me is Gainwell but any one of them I'd be happy with.

Nope I’ll take Najee Harris at RB, most mock drafts has us taking him.

[NewEra]

30 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Because he’s another small Speedback and we already have those, this offense needs a bruiser. Gainwell is 5”11” and 195 lbs vs Harris who’s 6”2” and 229-230. Lbs

We don’t have one speed back.  Motor is NOT fast.  Moss is NOT fast.  Not sure what you mean.  
 

harris is 5 inches taller than Moss and weighs only 7lbs more.  
 

again...I’d rather have Harris too, but if we want to trade down.....we won’t be able to draft Harris.  Is the best RB in the draft the only RB that you like in this draft?  Maybe other options in rd 2 or 3?

34 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

I want one of these 4 players in the draft:

 

Travis Etienne

Kadarius Toney

Kenneth Gainwell

Rondale Moore

 

At least one of those players will be available with our first 2 picks. If it's with a trade up, trade down, or staying put, I don't care. Just get some speed on the offense. The most intriguing name out of those 4 for me is Gainwell but any one of them I'd be happy with.

I like the first 3!  I’d replace Rondale with Elijah or Dwayne Eskeridge.  Even Tylan wallace.  Wallace may not have the speed of the other 3, but the kid is a straight baller

Edited March 13, 2021 by NewEra

[BuffaloBills1998]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

We don’t have one speed back.  Motor is NOT fast.  Moss is NOT fast.  Not sure what you mean.  
 

harris is 5 inches taller than Moss and weighs only 7lbs more.  
 

again...I’d rather have Harris too, but if we want to trade down.....we won’t be able to draft Harris.  Is the best RB in the draft the only RB that you like in this draft?  Maybe other options in rd 2 or 3?

I don’t think we’re trading down and the RBs again we have are small.  I’ve seen film on Gainwell and yes he’s talented for sure but he doesn’t look like he can take a beating. I don’t see Gainwell as a 20+ touch a game type of RB. Harris reminds me a lot of Henry. And that’s the kind of RB that would help out Josh and the offense a lot. He’s a Dueling threat in the air and on the ground and he’s tough to bring down

Edited March 13, 2021 by BuffaloBills1998

[NewEra]

7 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

I don’t think we’re trading down and the RBs again we have are small.  I’ve seen film on Gainwell and yes he’s talented for sure but he doesn’t look like he can take a beating. I don’t see Gainwell as a 20+ touch a game type of RB. Harris reminds me a lot of Henry. And that’s the kind of RB that would help out Josh and the offense a lot. He’s a Dueling threat in the air and on the ground and he’s tough to bring down

We may not trade down.....but this thread is about trading down.

 

We don’t need a 20 touch a game RB.  We need a RB that can hold the D accountable and are reliable receivers.  Gainwell

might be the best receiving back in the draft and can take it to the house....holding the D accountable.  
 

I take it that you think Moss sucks?  He’s a solid receiving back, is tough to bring down.  He lacks speed to break the long runs.  As does Harris.  Moss isn’t as good as Harris....but I don’t think we’ll be taking a RB in rd 1 after taking motor and Moss in the 3rd rd the previous 2 drafts. 
 

Do you like any other RBs other than Harris?  

[HappyDays]

46 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Nope I’ll take Najee Harris at RB, most mock drafts has us taking him.

 

Harris doesn't give us what our offense is missing - speed. Not sure where you came up with the idea that Singletary and Moss are speed backs. Etienne or Gainwell give you the ability to rush around the edge. Gainwell in particular is a great pass catcher too. The more I see of him the more I like him as a 2nd round option.

 

42 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I like the first 3!  I’d replace Rondale with Elijah or Dwayne Eskeridge.

 

Just because of his injury concerns? If so I get it but man he is one of the most explosive players I've ever watched. I spent the last 30 minutes watching highlight reels of those 4 players I mentioned. With Moore there were several plays where I literally laughed out loud and shook my head.

 

 

I feel that he is a perfect fit for Daboll's scheme and finally gives the offense a home run threat. He can also return kicks.

Edited March 13, 2021 by HappyDays

[LyndonvilleBill]

What about Rhamondre Stevenson from Oklahoma if we trade back and pick up a late 3 or 4th? 6' 245 with 4.5xx 40? Don't watch college ball, but he keeps coming up in my Mock's... Anyone know more about him?

[NewEra]

33 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Harris doesn't give us what our offense is missing - speed. Not sure where you came up with the idea that Singletary and Moss are speed backs. Etienne or Gainwell give you the ability to rush around the edge. Gainwell in particular is a great pass catcher too. The more I see of him the more I like him as a 2nd round option.

 

 

Just because of his injury concerns? If so I get it but man he is one of the most explosive players I've ever watched. I spent the last 30 minutes watching highlight reels of those 4 players I mentioned. With Moore there were several plays where I literally laughed out loud and shook my head.

 

 

I feel that he is a perfect fit for Daboll's scheme and finally gives the offense a home run threat. He can also return kicks.

Yeah, lots of injuries for a smaller dude.  I dunno what it is....I don’t see the same explosiveness everyone else does. I mean, he’s fast and has great lower body power to break tackles.  Can he break those tackles in the NFL?  Idk.  I think he’s a solid prospect and can be used in many different ways, but @30?  I just don’t see it.  
 

that said, I think he’d be a nice addition to our offense and would definitely be a welcome addition.  I just prefer a couple other guys. 

28 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said:

What about Rhamondre Stevenson from Oklahoma if we trade back and pick up a late 3 or 4th? 6' 245 with 4.5xx 40? Don't watch college ball, but he keeps coming up in my Mock's... Anyone know more about him?

 
looks like he could be a solid back, but he’s not what I’m looking for.  That’s said, I’d be ok taking him in rd 6-7

[HappyDays]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I think he’s a solid prospect and can be used in many different ways, but @30?  I just don’t see it.  

 

At 30 I agree. Etienne and Toney are 1st round targets, Moore and Gainwell are 2nd round targets. Given my choice I would take Moore or Gainwell in the 2nd because I don't think there's much of a drop off between those pairings. Since we have no major needs I am not anticipating a trade up in the 1st, but if an explosive offensive player is still sitting there in the mid-2nd I could see Beane trading up for him. He knows the offense is missing an x-factor.

[Thurman#1]

4 hours ago, NewEra said:

Tampa showed that they got extremely lucky that the chiefs had 5 backup offensive lineman starting in the super bowl.

 

can you imagine if we had started along the OL:  Ty Nsekhe, Boettger, Bates, Lonnie mcguder and Trey adams?  We’d have little to no chance to win.  Any team would have little chance to win....especially in the super bowl.  
 

The Bucs D was great, but I don’t feel that the blueprint to beating the chiefs is to build  an elite D.  Every team would love to guild an elite D.  Easier said than done.  How many “elite D’s” have we seen in the last 20 years? 6-7 maybe? How many teams have built an elite D while paying a QB big bucks?  None?  
 

The Bucs signed 14 players to 1 year ring chasing deals and played against 5 backup OL.  Imo, the Bucs showed us that they can dominate 5 backup OL.  Our D couldn’t touch Mahomes vs 4 backup OL.  I don’t feel as if we are a pass rusher, CB and run stiffer away.  Edmunds isn’t close to the same level as Devin white.  Milano isnt david.  None of our pass rushers are as good as Barrett and JPP. 
 

My point:  we won’t be holding the chiefs to 0 TDs.  Probably ever.  For the rest of Mahomes’ career, chiefs OL will likely be better than the OL that the Bucs faced.  Getting that kind of pressure on him all game will likely never be replicated again.  They are going to score....just like they put up 31 vs the niners elite d in the previous super bowl. (The 2019 niners D >>> the 2020 Bucs D).  Meanwhile, the chiefs middling defense dominated out offense two times last season.  If we were to be so lucky as to shutdown the chiefs O....we would still probably lose, because our offense isn’t good enough.  
 

He have work to do on both sides of the ball and building an elite D is easier said than done. Barrett, Vea, Suh, JPP, White and David aren’t walking through the doors anytime soon.  And KC won’t be walking through the door with 5 backup OL either.  I don’t feel that this years super bowl told us anything about how to beat the chiefs.....we’ll never see that chiefs team again.  
 

i LOVE Moehrig.  I think he’s a top 15-20 player in this draft and I’d be thrilled if we landed him.

 

 

How many elite Ds in the last twenty years? Maybe 60 or so elite Ds. Including probably the Bills in 2019. 

 

Last year probably the Rams, Ravens and Football Team. 2 - 4 each year, generally, roughly the same as the number of elite Os, elite QBs, elite ... well, everything, really. Only the few best each year.

 

The Bucs weren't elite last year, just damn good. Same with their offense.

 

And that Bucs team wasn't all new guys or anything. You say they signed 14 players to "ring-chasing deals," and it sounds like they put a whole new team out there, but they actually only had three different starters on offense, Brady, Gronk and the rookie draftee Wires, and two on defense in Murphy-Bunting and Winfield Jr, both draftees.

 

And with those two new defensive starters their defense improved vastly from 2019.

 

When you look at recent Super Bowl winners you see damn good defenses. And a point held off of the scoreboard for the opponent is just as good as a point added by you.

 

And you can hold the Chiefs offense down. It's not easy but you don't need to be elite to do it. The Chargers held them to 23 and 21 in their games. The Patriots held them to 26, as did we. The Broncos held them to 22, as did the Browns. The Falcons held them to 17.

 

The bottom line is we need to get better. Just maximize how good the team is, and that absolutely includes improving the defense.

 

And I agree it's wildly difficult to hold them to 9 points. But you don't need your D to do that. 

 

 

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[BuffaloBills1998]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

We may not trade down.....but this thread is about trading down.

 

We don’t need a 20 touch a game RB.  We need a RB that can hold the D accountable and are reliable receivers.  Gainwell

might be the best receiving back in the draft and can take it to the house....holding the D accountable.  
 

I take it that you think Moss sucks?  He’s a solid receiving back, is tough to bring down.  He lacks speed to break the long runs.  As does Harris.  Moss isn’t as good as Harris....but I don’t think we’ll be taking a RB in rd 1 after taking motor and Moss in the 3rd rd the previous 2 drafts. 
 

Do you like any other RBs other than Harris?  

No I don’t think moss sucks at all. I actually like Moss a hell of a lot more than Singletary. Moss was getting into a good grove before he got hurt and we we’re definitely missing him in that game against KC. Also I think Singletary might not be on this team much longer in my opinion

Edited March 13, 2021 by BuffaloBills1998

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

How many elite Ds in the last twenty years? Maybe 60 or so elite Ds. Including probably the Bills in 2019. 

 

Last year probably the Rams, Ravens and Football Team. 2 - 4 each year, generally, roughly the same as the number of elite Os, elite QBs, elite ... well, everything, really. Only the few best each year.

 

The Bucs weren't elite last year, just damn good. Same with their offense.

 

And that Bucs team wasn't all new guys or anything. You say they signed 14 players to "ring-chasing deals," and it sounds like they put a whole new team out there, but they actually only had three different starters on offense, Brady, Gronk and the rookie draftee Wires, and two on defense in Murphy-Bunting and Winfield Jr, both draftees.

 

And with those two new defensive starters their defense improved vastly from 2019.

 

When you look at recent Super Bowl winners you see damn good defenses. And a point held off of the scoreboard for the opponent is just as good as a point added by you.

 

And you can hold the Chiefs offense down. It's not easy but you don't need to be elite to do it. The Chargers held them to 23 and 21 in their games. The Patriots held them to 26, as did we. The Broncos held them to 22, as did the Browns. The Falcons held them to 17.

 

The bottom line is we need to get better. Just maximize how good the team is, and that absolutely includes improving the defense.

 

And I agree it's wildly difficult to hold them to 9 points. But you don't need your D to do that. 

 

 

Agree to disagree, not much we can even debate about on this one.  We have different interpretations of elite Ds.  I don’t think there were any elite defenses last year.  The Rams and Ravens were far from elite imo.  The best in the league doesn’t equate to elite in my interpretation.

 

I agree that the Bucs D wasn’t elite....until they got Vea back.  Even then, i don’t think they were elite. Tough to gauge how good a D is playing against 5 back up offensive lineman.  They played solid vs packers. 
 

was a the 2019 niners defense elite?  I thought their pass rush was elite level and I thought they were the best D in the league....but were they elite?  Idk. Maybe though.  If they were, than the chiefs hung 31 on an elite defense in the super bowl, scoring at will in the 4th quarter.  
 

Which is my point.  Even if you have an “elite” defense, the chiefs will score.....as long as they don’t have 5 backup OL playing out of position.  I don’t think we can take anything away from how the chiefs lost the super bowl.  The Bucs didn’t create a “blueprint”.  They were very lucky that Fisher got hurt in the AFCCG got rearranged their already patchwork OL.

 

if you want to beat the chiefs, you’re going to have to score 30+ on them. In two games vs the chiefs last year, we scored 4 TDs.  One of those TDs was given to us by mecole hardmans muffed punt which gave us the ball on the 3.  3 TD drives in 2 games.  Our offense has to improve. That is my only point.  Obviously the D has to improve too....but if the plan is to win with an elite D shutting them down, good luck.  Slim chance that happens imo

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

No I don’t think moss sucks at all. I actually like Moss a hell of a lot more than Singletary. Moss was getting into a good grove before he got hurt and we we’re definitely missing him in that game against KC. Also I think Singletary might not be on this team much longer in my opinion

Agreed.  I think Moss has some potential to be a solid contributing back.  I’m over Motor entirely and would be fine if he were our 3rd string back.  

Moss....he’s just not that fast.  He brings the thunder, but he needs some lightning to compliment him.  Gainwell is lightning.  Etienne is lightning.   I see Michael Carter as lightning.  Chubba Hubbard iin the middle rounds.  Javian Hawkins in the late rounds.  
 

We don’t need a 20 touch per game back. We need a complimentary back.  Using a 1st rd pick on a 20 touch back for a heavy passing team is a waste of resources imo.  If we draft Najee, I think he would make an instant impact and could help us win a SB....but we’re going to have to hit on the rest of out draft picks.  We have holes to fill and no cap room to fill them

[hjnick]

12 hours ago, krf139 said:

I really wish we'd stop wasting picks on RBs unless we get one who's a game changer.

My philosophy on this is the opposite, I'd like to pick up a RB in almost every draft in the mid to late rounds and just keep cycling thru them cheaply.

 

We will win based on Allen's arm, not who is running behind them.

 

Eventually, you will find good runners in the later rounds. (cheaply)