Doc Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 That helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 23 minutes ago, MJS said: If you cut him you still have to sign a guy to replace him. Restructuring makes sense. But we were getting vet min. Production from him. Pay cut only works if he goes way down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 37 minutes ago, whatdrought said: It was a 6 million hit before, right? Gotta hope it’s at least in the 2-3 range now. Don’t love keeping him at Jefferson’s expense. $7.8 Cap Hit with $1M Dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Butler, like so many on the DL, fell victim to no offseason, new defense, and injuries. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 hour ago, warrior9 said: I wish he was just cut. Why, so we can leave big hella holes we have to overpay for in FA? Neither Butler nor Jefferson were able to fill the role the Bills envisioned for them, due to Phillips delayed recovery from ACL and Lotululei opting out. Jefferson had slightly more playing time and slightly better stats, but Butler spent more time being asked to rotate at 1TDT where stats are harder to come by. 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: It was a 6 million hit before, right? Gotta hope it’s at least in the 2-3 range now. Don’t love keeping him at Jefferson’s expense. $7.8M hit before. 26 minutes ago, whatdrought said: But we were getting vet min. Production from him. Pay cut only works if he goes way down. Oh, Come On. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Mark Vader said: Not too thrilled that he's staying, but taking a pay cut does help, so good on him. He does provide more value now that he has experience at both 1 and 3 techs. It'll be interesting to see if they can get Star to take a cut...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, TPS said: He does provide more value now that he has experience at both 1 and 3 techs. It'll be interesting to see if they can get Star to take a cut...? Im just hoping star doesnt retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buftex Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 It's funny that everyone sees Star was the "missing piece" from the D-line in 2020, when many wanted him cut in 2019! 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said: Im just hoping star doesnt retire. If he does, the Bills will save a ton of money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbfla10 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Buftex said: It's funny that everyone sees Star was the "missing piece" from the D-line in 2020, when many wanted him cut in 2019! Thats cause most dont understand his role on the dline. He will never have the stats. His role on D is basically to block/prevent Olineman from climbing to our LBs. Very hard to find a player willing to do such dirty work. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Hopefully Butler can play the Jordan Phillips role if Star returns or we sign/draft a space eater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Buftex said: It's funny that everyone sees Star was the "missing piece" from the D-line in 2020, when many wanted him cut in 2019! Don’t it always seem to go that you don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Doc said: If he does, the Bills will save a ton of money. No they wont. It will cost them cap space which is why i hope he doesnt retire. Edited March 10, 2021 by YattaOkasan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, Buftex said: It's funny that everyone sees Star was the "missing piece" from the D-line in 2020, when many wanted him cut in 2019! It's the two bills drive take of the year as to why our defense was sub par. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Just now, YattaOkasan said: No they wont. It will cost them cap space. Nope. They'll go after the $7.8M in unamortized signing bonus. That being said, I doubt he retires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Doc said: Nope. They'll go after the $7.8M in unamortized signing bonus. That being said, I doubt he retires. Please explain. My understanding is retirement is a release thus he costs cap. This is why were letting Lee Smith retire cause otherwise were cutting him. I know @Cover 1 has discussed it before but here is another reference from last year (3rd paragraph). https://www.catscratchreader.com/2020/1/15/21066845/nfl-carolina-panthers-luke-kuechly-retirement-cap-space-2020-what-does-it-mean Edited March 10, 2021 by YattaOkasan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 I would have preferred to keep Jefferson as a rotational pass rusher if he was willing to take a pay cut but Butler as a rotational player as a pass rusher at a reduced salary is fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Does this mean it’s less likely they draft DT now? Not before round 5 anyways... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 I actually thought Butler played well in spots but was not consistant. A pay cut keeps from adding a hole on a super bowl caliber team while giving us cap relief. We are already bloodletting at other spots as it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said: Please explain. My understanding is retirement is a release thus he costs cap. This is why were letting Lee Smith retire cause otherwise were cutting him. It's not a release. It's a player deciding to hang-it-up. A team is allowed to demand repayment of the unamortized signing bonus, but usually they don't, as a gift for services rendered. Since Star was barely with the Bills and signed a new deal before opting-out, they'll definitely go after his. Plus there is the $4.5M salary saved and any other likely to be earned incentives, roster and game bonuses, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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