bills6969 Posted January 31, 2021 Author Share Posted January 31, 2021 I wasn’t implying we should do a “mass cut” of players, I was just pointing out the players that would provide the most cap savings if we were to cut them, and given the unusual circumstances of the low cap year, we may have to part ways with some of these guys in order to resign some of our own UFAs or go out and get some new guys in FA. If we want to keep all of them, then that likely means we can’t resign Milano or Feliciano. I like Hughes, but the production isn’t there anymore. We could cut him and use cap savings to go out and get a younger guy like Henderickson. Jefferson and Butler are dead weight, cut them and replace their production in the draft or something cheaper in FA market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Next year's salary cap hasn't been confirmed. Supposedly still working it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Haven’t read this whole thread but I predict: john brown mitch morse lee smith Vernon butler Quinton Jefferson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 9 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Brown is gone. I think they cut 1 of Butler/Jefferson. I think Addison stays. Morse is a question mark. Hyde isn't going anywhere, he's underpaid IMO. Hughes retires a Bill. He's still useful. Morse is a good player but they have to design a running game that fits his talents. Get him out in space. Very athletic center. This is pretty much how I see it. Brown may wish to restructure in which case he’d be nice to have, but I feel he’s too easily neutralized by physical corner play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Haven’t read this whole thread but I predict: john brown mitch morse lee smith Vernon butler Quinton Jefferson I'm 100% comfortable with this list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehfeuh57 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Keep Butler Cut Star 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, DrDare said: Keep Butler Cut Star I'm not even a Star fan but hell no!👎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Star's salary guaranteed in 2021 so they wont be cutting him 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 So cut our entire DL and magically replace them with what? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Will be interesting to see what happens to a lot of these guys who opted out because of Covid. I’m sure they all had their reasons, but it does make you wonder how well these guys will be received in the locker-room. I‘m sure the bond in the locker-room was even stronger this year with all these guys went through to play. So much has changed since Star agreed to take a pay cut in exchange for guaranteed money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 On 1/30/2021 at 12:11 PM, bills6969 said: It's looking like the Salary cap for next year will be somewhere around the $175mm mark. If this is the case, we won't have much room to do anything in free agency. In order to create some room, we're going to need to let some guys go. Here is a list players we can cut a reasonable price that would provide highest Cap savings: 1. John Brown - Dead cap 1.6m; Cap savings 7.9m 2. Jerry Hughes - Dead cap 2.1m; Cap savings 7.5m 3. Vernon Butler - Dead cap 1m; Cap savings 6.8m 4. Quinton Jefferson - Dead cap 1.5m; Cap savings 6.5m 5. Mario Addison - Dead cap 4m; Cap savings 6.1m 6. Micah Hyde - Dead cap 1.6m; Cap savings 5.2m 7. Mitch Morse - Dead cap 5.5m; Cap savings 4.8m 8. Lee Smith - Dead cap 0; Cap savings 2.25m Imo, you absolutely cut ties with 1 thru 4. These are guys whose value to the team does not exceed the cap savings we would attain by letting them go. This would equate to about $29m in cap savings. Add in 5 thru 8 (excluding Hyde; too valuable to team to cut) and we're at a cool 42m of cap savings. These players can all be replaced in the draft or cheaper route in FA. Cut them all except for Micah and John Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I look at it primarily as can I find a better or at least comparable guy for what we save by cutting him. I think we can cut Brown, Jefferson, and Butler while finding someone better for that cost. Though I wonder if Jefferson or Butler will be better with Star next to them, so maybe one stays. I also am probably one of few who think Lee is well worth his cost since he is an extra lineman 80% of the time and half his catches are TDs this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 51 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Will be interesting to see what happens to a lot of these guys who opted out because of Covid. I’m sure they all had their reasons, but it does make you wonder how well these guys will be received in the locker-room. I‘m sure the bond in the locker-room was even stronger this year with all these guys went through to play. So much has changed since Star agreed to take a pay cut in exchange for guaranteed money. Many of the players who opted out had comorbidity situation (at very high risk) and had NO option but to sit out (Star). Even who didn't want to sit had to be shut down by the team (Sweeney). The teams will NOT go hard on these players. There is a reason why they couldn't play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, ganesh said: Many of the players who opted out had comorbidity situation (at very high risk) and had NO option but to sit out (Star). Even who didn't want to sit had to be shut down by the team (Sweeney). The teams will NOT go hard on these players. There is a reason why they couldn't play Maybe not but Gaines got cut immediately. Bills are also in a bit of a pickle on the DL. Lots of cap room tied up there with a decreasing cap. Just not sure how it’s gonna go over in the locker-room if a guy who went through everything these guys went through this season is cut to make room for Star. All these guys who are close to 300 lbs are high risk for Covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 On 1/30/2021 at 12:11 PM, bills6969 said: It's looking like the Salary cap for next year will be somewhere around the $175mm mark. If this is the case, we won't have much room to do anything in free agency. In order to create some room, we're going to need to let some guys go. Here is a list players we can cut a reasonable price that would provide highest Cap savings: 1. John Brown - Dead cap 1.6m; Cap savings 7.9m 2. Jerry Hughes - Dead cap 2.1m; Cap savings 7.5m 3. Vernon Butler - Dead cap 1m; Cap savings 6.8m 4. Quinton Jefferson - Dead cap 1.5m; Cap savings 6.5m 5. Mario Addison - Dead cap 4m; Cap savings 6.1m 6. Micah Hyde - Dead cap 1.6m; Cap savings 5.2m 7. Mitch Morse - Dead cap 5.5m; Cap savings 4.8m 8. Lee Smith - Dead cap 0; Cap savings 2.25m Imo, you absolutely cut ties with 1 thru 4. These are guys whose value to the team does not exceed the cap savings we would attain by letting them go. This would equate to about $29m in cap savings. Add in 5 thru 8 (excluding Hyde; too valuable to team to cut) and we're at a cool 42m of cap savings. These players can all be replaced in the draft or cheaper route in FA. The second you advocated cutting the one productive Dline player we have you lost me. Hughes will no be going anywhere. You cut: 1. John Brown - Dead cap 1.6m; Cap savings 7.9m 2. Vernon Butler - Dead cap 1m; Cap savings 6.8m 3. Quinton Jefferson - Dead cap 1.5m; Cap savings 6.5m 5. Mario Addison - Dead cap 4m; Cap savings 6.1m 6. Lee Smith - Dead cap 0; Cap savings 2.25m I'd ask AJ Klein to restructure too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 16 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said: I'm not even a Star fan but hell no!👎 Star actually takes up 2 lineman. Butler doesn't. Butler is the first one out the door unless Star opts out again? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Star actually takes up 2 lineman. Butler doesn't. Butler is the first one out the door unless Star opts out again? Opting-out won't be an option now. If a player doesn't feel like a vaccine will protect him, the only option is retirement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Safe to say Beane will need to restructure a half dozen contracts and terminate about the same..... when it’s all said and done yes, $30M under the cap should be the goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 Just now, GoBills! said: Post June 1 Cut - Butler, Mitch (if he wants to retire), Butler, Addison - You have about 25 million right there. Just to clarify, you can only designate 2 players as post-June 1st if released prior to June 1st. But you have to keep their money on the books until June 1st so you don't see the cap savings until then/in time for FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 On 1/30/2021 at 12:11 PM, bills6969 said: 1. John Brown - Dead cap 1.6m; Cap savings 7.9m 2. Jerry Hughes - Dead cap 2.1m; Cap savings 7.5m 3. Vernon Butler - Dead cap 1m; Cap savings 6.8m 4. Quinton Jefferson - Dead cap 1.5m; Cap savings 6.5m 5. Mario Addison - Dead cap 4m; Cap savings 6.1m 6. Micah Hyde - Dead cap 1.6m; Cap savings 5.2m 7. Mitch Morse - Dead cap 5.5m; Cap savings 4.8m 8. Lee Smith - Dead cap 0; Cap savings 2.25m Of all these guys, I keep Brown, Hughes, one of the 3 D-lineman, and Hyde. That would be about 20m saving and keeping some key pieces. Concerning Brown, we did not really get to see much of the best Bills WR line-up this season. I think there is more, much more, potential for this offense if we can keep him and he is healthy the entire season. .... I suggest they try to restructure his deal. Not sure he would get 8 M on the open market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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