Golden*Wheels Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, The Plastic Cup said: Just be thankful they didn't launch into a 90 second Watt family worship segment. True enough. Teddy Brushci is still racking "hits" up somewhere according to ESPN. XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 3 hours ago, MJS said: He began his slide before the first down marker. When you begin your slide it is immediately dead. Give it another watch. " Beginning the slide" vs. when a part of his body (usually shin/knee or butt) touches. There can be a difference in time between when it begins and when it "ends" and the ball is to be spotted. Here's a blurb I found: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 4 hours ago, mannc said: Speaking of curious spots, what happened near the end of the game when JA ran a beautiful bootleg on 2nd and 10, had a wide open field and slid (to my eye) a yard or two past the first down marker, only to have the ball marked short of the first down? On a slide it’s where you start it, not where you end. He started it before the sticks. Wallace had contact with Steeler receiver when he made the pick and knee was down so forward progress put him at the 30. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 15 minutes ago, ExWNYer said: Thanks, Roch. Allen had plenty of room to angle out of bounds and pick up the first down without having to take a hit, IMO. The slide was unnecessary and a poor decision on his part but that is nit-picking. Maybe he picked up the defender late and thought he was closer than he actually was but Josh more than likely would have won that foot race to the sticks. As it turns out, it was a moot point anyway. In fairness to everyone who thought it was a bad spot, I thought it was too when I watched in real time during the game but the evidence shows otherwise. I think he was more concerned with staying inbounds than anything. I also think that he thought (which used to be the rule) it is where you hit the ground and therefore felt he was going to land right at yard stick. It was a fine play, but really needed that one more step and he should have been fine. Rather see him get down than take a needless hit, but he had to stay inbounds to run clock. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Rochesterfan said: I think he was more concerned with staying inbounds than anything. I also think that he thought (which used to be the rule) it is where you hit the ground and therefore felt he was going to land right at yard stick. It was a fine play, but really needed that one more step and he should have been fine. Rather see him get down than take a needless hit, but he had to stay inbounds to run clock. That is true. I lost sight of that. Poor on my part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 55 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said: " Beginning the slide" vs. when a part of his body (usually shin/knee or butt) touches. There can be a difference in time between when it begins and when it "ends" and the ball is to be spotted. Here's a blurb I found: That's not consistent with how they call it in the NFL or college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 Knew the moment he slid it was short. Ah well, Moss handled it :). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 5 hours ago, mannc said: Speaking of curious spots, what happened near the end of the game when JA ran a beautiful bootleg on 2nd and 10, had a wide open field and slid (to my eye) a yard or two past the first down marker, only to have the ball marked short of the first down? A quarterback sliding is giving himself up The ball is marked where he starts to slide not finishes it. He started sliding just at the first down marker, and it seems that the ref just gave him a horrible spot. He should have gave himself another couple feet before he gave himself up to ensure it. Because qbs sliding feet first are always protected and like I said They will always mark it where he started the slide not finished it. Even though it looked like a poor spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 14, 2020 Author Share Posted December 14, 2020 1 hour ago, djp14150 said: Wallace had contact with Steeler receiver when he made the pick and knee was down so forward progress put him at the 30. Just as I suspected was called at the time. Too bad that the broadcast was both silent and clueless. The quality of TV coverage has taken a severe nosedive. Too busy going to commercial, going to The Studio, promoting shows on their network, and yapping about everything but the actual game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 6 hours ago, Kwai San said: Hmmmm - obviously I mixed that up with another play.....that sux! Well they had their fair share of illegal block in the back penalties so easy to mix up one of a few. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Well they had their fair share of illegal block in the back penalties so easy to mix up one of a few. Thank Ggodness no Jerome Boger crew or it would have been triple that!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 7 hours ago, ExWNYer said: The refs actually got something right... Jeez, he could have trucked that poor DB and probably scored😄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 1 minute ago, mannc said: Jeez, he could have trucked that poor DB and probably scored😄 No doubt that there was a lot of green in front of him and you'd have to like Josh's chances. The defender was definitely going to have to 'make a business decision.' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 No, sliding and avoiding contact/the chance of a fumble was the right move. He just should have waited a bit to start his slide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timekills17 Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 In retrospect, it just gave the Bills another ~39 seconds of time off the clock since they had to run one more play to get the next first down. Seeing as they only had to use three of their last four downs to run out the clock, it was moot - and certainly if they had been stopped on the next play it would have been bad. But I've often wondered if it doesn't make more sense some times to stop *just* short of the marker so you can get another play in and run more time and then get the first and three/four more plays. Similar to getting tackled at the 12/13 vice the 8/9 yard lines. More room to run plays, and the opportunity for another set of downs if the TD isn't quite achievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 36 minutes ago, timekills17 said: In retrospect, it just gave the Bills another ~39 seconds of time off the clock since they had to run one more play to get the next first down. Seeing as they only had to use three of their last four downs to run out the clock, it was moot - and certainly if they had been stopped on the next play it would have been bad. But I've often wondered if it doesn't make more sense some times to stop *just* short of the marker so you can get another play in and run more time and then get the first and three/four more plays. Similar to getting tackled at the 12/13 vice the 8/9 yard lines. More room to run plays, and the opportunity for another set of downs if the TD isn't quite achievable. I don’t think so - you always want the first down there because that guaranteed enough plays to run out the clock. There were 3 goals with the naked bootleg there. 1st and most importantly- hold onto the ball - do not fumble - do not drop it - no matter what. 2nd - stay in bounds and run clock - it was second down and if the Steelers played it right and you could not get the first down - just get down and run clock and no stupid penalties to stop the clock - key. 3rd - if possible get the first down, but do not score - you want to stop short even if you faked out every Steeler player and there was a wide open path. Getting the first down ices the game there with no chances of something stupid. Josh did well and accomplished 2 of the 3 and could of had all 3, but getting down in bounds was the most important. Luckily Moss picked up the first down and finished the Steelers off. If Moss had been stopped then it was decision time as the Steelers stopped the clock. The Bills would be put in a bind of FG attempt (push to 14) or go for it and potentially give the ball up deep in Steelers territory. I personally think McD goes for it and trusts his D, but I am so glad we did not have to think about that. Sliding a yard short just opened up other possible issues - could be a fumble, tackle for loss, penalty - many things that could make the victory harder, but the Bills handled their business- so I am happy with the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILBillsfan Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 On 12/14/2020 at 8:29 AM, Stank_Nasty said: ya see.... i disagree with that. i think he started that slide passed where they marked it. but i havnt seen it slowed down its also where the ball is at when he starts the slide not the feet, the ball had not yet gone past the first down marker when he started the slide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted December 15, 2020 Share Posted December 15, 2020 On 12/14/2020 at 8:30 AM, Golden*Wheels said: Hold that thought....we need to show you a 12 second shot of TJ Watt with his hands on his hips, with no commentary. Trying listening to Houston Sports media and their non-stop JJ Watt deification. JJ never miss a TV opportunity Watt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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