When the Patriot Way goes wrong

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

5 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said:

The only NE coach who’s had some success is Flores but it’s still too early to judge him.

 

Thank God for Beane and McDermott. I’m so grateful!

I feel like vrabel coaches like a BB disciple as a former patriot player. 

[Fleezoid]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

Add “ism” to about any word and it then becomes its own worst enemy over time, look at capitalism, earning and creating wealth, on its face a very good thing, then with a pinch of greed it stops serving the greater good, and you get the 1% with all the wealth... the cycle is repeatedly occurring on every topic. Ism’s are known to be bad for people in every walk of life. To include football players. 

 

"It's not that i support facsism or any ism for that matter. Isms in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an ism, he should believe in himself."

 

Ferris Beuller, 1986

[Mark Vader]

Once you can no longer cheat, you cannot succeed.

 

Prove me wrong.

[Coffeesforclosers]

1 hour ago, iccrewman112 said:

Wait where does cheating fit in this list? 

 

My bad.  I should have noted that if you think a lombardi and a no questions asked trip to the hall of fame is worth $750,000 and a 1st, then the Patriot Way is the way for you.

Edited November 27, 2020 by Coffeesforclosers

[Ghost_002!]

4 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

Once you can no longer cheat, you cannot succeed.

 

Prove me wrong.

 

 

Ha ha they have won 3 SBs since Spygate and deflategate.

[Mark Vader]

1 minute ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Ha ha they have won 3 SBs since Spygate and deflategate.

I'm sorry, how many Super Bowls have the Lions won since Patricia became the head coach?

 

For that matter how many other former Patriots* coaches have won Super Bowls as head coach with other teams?

[buffalobillswin]

I think the Patriot way also went wrong when one of their tight ends killed another person.

[Ghost_002!]

15 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

I'm sorry, how many Super Bowls have the Lions won since Patricia became the head coach?

 

For that matter how many other former Patriots* coaches have won Super Bowls as head coach with other teams?

i was referring to NE...i can give a damn about Patricia. I dont even want him back in NE.

 

 

only other coach i care about is Flores and he is doing a fine job in miami. only took him 2 years to rebuild that team....most teams take longer than that.

 

They weren't expected to win as many games as they did last year and even this year is a bit of a surprise.

 

 

O'Brien actually was pretty good in Houston up until this year(well up until the  moment he traded Hopkins). Even did a great job at Penn State. Won more playoff games than your coach right now.

Edited November 27, 2020 by Ghost_002!

[MJS]

4 hours ago, Ghost_002! said:

Ha ha....yup it's all Brady. (Sarcasm)

 

McDermott is 1-9 against him, barely beat him with his covid squad...and still gotta play him again.

 

Just win one first and stop griping about the pats...

 

7-3, first in the AFC east and can't help but talk about NE...tortured.

This topic isn't about the Patriots. Nobody can argue against the success off the Patriots. It's about the many unsuccessful attempts to recreate the Patriot system on other teams.

 

And if your argument is that it the Patriots weren't successful due to Brady because the Bills lost to them a lot, how does that make any sense? The Bills beat them for the first time only after Brady left. Wouldn't that be evidence that Brady was the catalyst for Patriot success?

[Ghost_002!]

14 minutes ago, MJS said:

This topic isn't about the Patriots. Nobody can argue against the success off the Patriots. It's about the many unsuccessful attempts to recreate the Patriot system on other teams.

 

And if your argument is that it the Patriots weren't successful due to Brady because the Bills lost to them a lot, how does that make any sense? The Bills beat them for the first time only after Brady left. Wouldn't that be evidence that Brady was the catalyst for Patriot success?

 

I know what the thread is about...yet there are still plenty of posters referencing the patriots..right?

 

And how is the Patriots success more Brady than BB in just their first year apart. You can erase 20 years after 1 year..? Bills beating the pats after brady left..i think you should look at that game a little bit more...had nothing to do with not having brady and more to do with Newton being very careless with the football...because if you watched that game, the patriots where in seconds of winning that game....the bills with the pats JV squad were on their heels...

 

 

and ultimately my argument is a lot of bitching about anything NE and you guys are having the better season and your QB is proving plenty of people wrong....but NE is still on the minds of a small group of Bills fans here.  

Edited November 27, 2020 by Ghost_002!

[Don Otreply]

37 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Ha ha they have won 3 SBs since Spygate and deflategate.

And were caught cheating yet again after that, filming another teams side line, they average getting caught every four ish years, for the last two decades,  which means they are constantly cheating, as was noted by Payton Manning, Mark Sanchez, and other players turned talking heads, in a show about a month ago. The whole organization is reprehensible, dishonest, and dishonorable, but like they say, birds of a feather...

[JGMcD2]

13 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

I know what the thread is about...yet there are still plenty of posters referencing the patriots..right?

 

And how is the Patriots success more Brady than BB in just their first year apart. You can erase 20 years after 1 year..? Bills beating the pats after brady left..i think you should look at that game a little bit more...had nothing to do with not having brady and more to do with Newton being very careless with the football...because if you watched that game, the patriots where in seconds of winning that game....the bills with the pats JV squad were on their heels...

 

 

and ultimately my argument is a lot of bitching about anything NE and you guys are having the better season and your QB is proving plenty of people wrong....but NE is still on the minds of a small group of Bills fans here.  

What team do you root for, and ultimately why do you feel the need to be here? 
 

Thanks for your time! 

[Ghost_002!]

3 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

What team do you root for, and ultimately why do you feel the need to be here? 
 

Thanks for your time! 

 

 

Cause i am free to be here....and there's this thing..where not everyone has to share the same point of view as you. And it fascinates me how off base people's sports takes are. 

13 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

And were caught cheating yet again after that, filming another teams side line, they average getting caught every four ish years, for the last two decades,  which means they are constantly cheating, as was noted by Payton Manning, Mark Sanchez, and other players turned talking heads, in a show about a month ago. The whole organization is reprehensible, dishonest, and dishonorable, but like they say, birds of a feather...

 

 

Proof?

[Putin]

6 hours ago, Mark80 said:

 

It is when you consider the team last year was so talent deprived that many thought they would go 0-16.  And this years team is surprising most as well.  I'm sure not many would have put them over 5 wins for the entire season. This guy is going to be a problem for us for a long time to come I'm afraid.  'Bout to be like the late 80s/early 90s rivalry again.

I think Josh is what’s going to be the BIGGEST problem and not just for the fish but for the rest of the AFC east 

 

[JGMcD2]

30 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Cause i am free to be here....and there's this thing..where not everyone has to share the same point of view as you. And it fascinates me how off base people's sports takes are. 

 

 

Proof?

You didn’t actually completely answer my question. 
 

I mean I never said anyone had to share the same point as you... no need to put words in my mouth. 
 

Question, and this is going to really put you in a sticky spot.
 

What makes someone’s sports takes off base? Because if everyone doesn’t have to share the same point of view, then they’re allowed to have different takes. So because they don’t agree with you, their takes are off base? 
 

Pretty cool how you contradict yourself there... 
 

[MJS]

1 hour ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

I know what the thread is about...yet there are still plenty of posters referencing the patriots..right?

 

And how is the Patriots success more Brady than BB in just their first year apart. You can erase 20 years after 1 year..? Bills beating the pats after brady left..i think you should look at that game a little bit more...had nothing to do with not having brady and more to do with Newton being very careless with the football...because if you watched that game, the patriots where in seconds of winning that game....the bills with the pats JV squad were on their heels...

 

 

and ultimately my argument is a lot of bitching about anything NE and you guys are having the better season and your QB is proving plenty of people wrong....but NE is still on the minds of a small group of Bills fans here.  

We're not talking about the last 20 years. We're talking about the McDermott Bills. And he couldn't beat the Pats until Brady was gone. You can blame Newton being careless with the football, but Brady would have 100% won that game.

[Ghost_002!]

43 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

You didn’t actually completely answer my question. 
 

I mean I never said anyone had to share the same point as you... no need to put words in my mouth. 
 

Question, and this is going to really put you in a sticky spot.
 

What makes someone’s sports takes off base? Because if everyone doesn’t have to share the same point of view, then they’re allowed to have different takes. So because they don’t agree with you, their takes are off base? 
 

Pretty cool how you contradict yourself there... 
 

 

 

What was the question again?

 

 

and no i am not contradicting myself at all because I truly do not care if you do not like what i like...just have facts not your opinions be correct....and when i say "you" I am not directly meaning you, I am addressing the whole thread....so i will wait for our reply. 

 

19 minutes ago, MJS said:

We're not talking about the last 20 years. We're talking about the McDermott Bills. And he couldn't beat the Pats until Brady was gone. You can blame Newton being careless with the football, but Brady would have 100% won that game.

 

That game didnt have anything to do McDermott or even Brady. Because you can insert any other QB in that situation and the pats could of won. That wasn't a situation were only elite QBs take control of. They were at the 20. Most NFL QBs could handle that moment. Tyrod Taylor could of won that game given how it was setting up.

 

Edited November 27, 2020 by Ghost_002!

[Mat68]

You gotta get wins.  Mcdermott shipped off " stars" had his "process".  But ultimatley they won enough games to make the playoffs.  After that his year with Allen was rough but he had his foundation.  Most of these Ne guys have this grand culture they permiate but dont win.  You need to win or the message is hallow.

[TheCockSportif]

My only real surprise in all of this is that NE brought in Newton as its QB.  I can't think of a less Belichick'ian player than Newton.

 

For years, NE had this myth surrounding them that they knew how to develop QBs.  It appears that they developed them to trade them, and notable examples are Jimmy G and Brissett.  They literally picked Newton over Stidham.

 

I had been wondering when hubris would swallow NE, and it looks like it has.

[JGMcD2]

25 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

What was the question again?

 

 

and no i am not contradicting myself at all because I truly do not care if you do not like what i like...just have facts not your opinions be correct....and when i say "you" I am not directly meaning you, I am addressing the whole thread....so i will wait for our reply. 

 

 

That game didnt have anything to do McDermott or even Brady. Because you can insert any other QB in that situation and the pats could of won. That wasn't a situation were only elite QBs take control of. They were at the 20. Most NFL QBs could handle that moment. Tyrod Taylor could of won that game given how it was setting up.

 

I asked who you root for and why you feel the need to post here... basically you’re not a Bills fan, so why take the time to post here? 
 

Okay, but what facts are you presenting in the 2nd half of your post here? You’re presenting an opinion, with absolutely zero facts to back it up. Is there a statistic that shows how often QBs convert in that situation? Are you telling me Cam Newton, a former NFL MVP and NFC Champion doesn’t know how to handle those situations? Insert any other DT and MAYBE they don’t force a fumble and the Patriots win the game? I mean you’re not presenting objective facts, you’re presenting an opinion. 

Edited November 27, 2020 by JGMcD2

[Mark Vader]

2 hours ago, Ghost_002! said:

i was referring to NE...i can give a damn about Patricia. I dont even want him back in NE.

 

 

only other coach i care about is Flores and he is doing a fine job in miami. only took him 2 years to rebuild that team....most teams take longer than that.

 

They weren't expected to win as many games as they did last year and even this year is a bit of a surprise.

 

 

O'Brien actually was pretty good in Houston up until this year(well up until the  moment he traded Hopkins). Even did a great job at Penn State. Won more playoff games than your coach right now.

Then why even respond to my post when I wasn't even talking about New England? 

[Doc]

7 minutes ago, Groin said:

My only real surprise in all of this is that NE brought in Newton as its QB.  I can't think of a less Belichick'ian player than Newton.

 

For years, NE had this myth surrounding them that they knew how to develop QBs.  It appears that they developed them to trade them, and notable examples are Jimmy G and Brissett.  They literally picked Newton over Stidham.

 

I had been wondering when hubris would swallow NE, and it looks like it has.

 

They didn't have a plan at QB once Brady left.  There's no way they saw Stidham in practice all last year and said "that's our franchise QB."  And Newton could have been long gone by the time they signed him, which was almost 3-1/2 months after FA started.

 

Yeah, they got lucky with Brady and those guys you mentioned, plus Cassel, had success initially after getting the chance to start, but faded to backup status fairly quickly.  Hopefully they struggle to find a good QB for decades.

[TheCockSportif]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

They didn't have a plan at QB once Brady left.  There's no way they saw Stidham in practice all last year and said "that's our franchise QB."  And Newton could have been long gone by the time they signed him, which was almost 3-1/2 months after FA started.

 

Yeah, they got lucky with Brady and those guys you mentioned, plus Cassel, had success initially after getting the chance to start, but faded to backup status fairly quickly.  Hopefully they struggle to find a good QB for decades.

Correct, and that's where the hubris point comes in.  They didn't get a first rounder for Jimmy G.  They traded Brissett for another player (a good one, but not a QB).  They literally hitched their wagons to... Cam Newton.

[Cotton Fitzsimmons]

9 hours ago, LikeIGiveADarn said:

Amazing how much it's looking like Brady covered for BB.

Gents, if we flash back 20 years and Bledsoe never gets hurt, chances are BB would’ve been canned and we would talk about him today as a guy who was a great DC, but not a good HC. His whole schtick which has included multiple instances of outright cheating would have probably netted the kind of middling record he has had pre and post Brady. 

[Ghost_002!]

32 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

I asked who you root for and why you feel the need to post here... basically you’re not a Bills fan, so why take the time to post here? 
 

Okay, but what facts are you presenting in the 2nd half of your post here? You’re presenting an opinion, with absolutely zero facts to back it up. Is there a statistic that shows how often QBs convert in that situation? Are you telling me Cam Newton, a former NFL MVP and NFC Champion doesn’t know how to handle those situations? Insert any other DT and MAYBE they don’t force a fumble and the Patriots win the game? I mean you’re not presenting objective facts, you’re presenting an opinion. 

 

 

So for your first sentence. I root for NE. but this gets asked all the time, like other fans travel to other fans forum, nothing new..What I am doing here is no different than anything you would not see in a dolphins fan forum or even in a 49ers fan forum. What is the problem with me being here? 

I am have not taken any shot at the bills.

 

and no I didn't give a opinion but a fact. Newton was careless with the ball because all running backs and ball carriers are taught to hold the ball on the outside to reduce the chances of a defender knocking the ball out,  he was quoted and said it falls on him..because he is so use to holding the ball in his right hand, even though he was told and knows he should be handling the ball in his outside hand. I'm not implying that he is incapable, but that the situation calls for your QB to hold onto the football to give your team a chance to win. And as I described, it isn't something that only elite QBs can achieve in.

 

and you want to act like the percentages aren't high for a offense marching down the field,  ball on the 20 to score? OF course a lot can happen, but the percentages are high an NFL offense could score in that moment and no my post did not say the Pats would win...i said they "could" of won. 

Edited November 27, 2020 by Ghost_002!

[TBBills]

Only one guy can do the Patriot way and even he needed Brady to keep everyone else in line.

 

[JGMcD2]

12 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

So for your first sentence. I root for NE. but this gets asked all the time, like other fans travel to other fans forum, nothing new..What I am doing here is no different than anything you would not see in a dolphins fan forum or even in a 49ers fan forum. What is the problem with me being here? 

I am have not taken any shot at the bills.

 

and no I didn't give a opinion but a fact. Newton was careless with the ball because all running backs and ball carriers are taught to hold the ball on the outside to reduce the chances of a defender knocking the ball out. I not implying that he is incapable, but that the situation calls for your QB to hold onto the football to give your team a chance to win. And as i described, it isn't something that only an elite QBs can achieve in.

 

and you want to act like the percentages aren't high for a offense marching down the field,  ball on the 20 couldn't score? OF course a lot can happen, but the percentages are high an NFL offense could score in that moment. And no my post did not say the Pats would win...i said they "could" of won. 

Never said there was an issue with you being here. 
 

Okay that’s what they’re taught... who’s to say another QB running there doesn’t put it in the wrong arm and get the ball knocked out? We’re playing the same game here... the what if game... ultimately we don’t know... but stating someone else would execute isn’t a “fact” that’s an opinion. 
 

 

You’re presenting facts but the whole argument isn’t rooted in fact, it’s rooted in opinion with some facts being used to support it. Easy to confuse, but much different. 

Edited November 27, 2020 by JGMcD2

[Doc]

21 minutes ago, Groin said:

Correct, and that's where the hubris point comes in.  They didn't get a first rounder for Jimmy G.  They traded Brissett for another player (a good one, but not a QB).  They literally hitched their wagons to... Cam Newton.

 

True, it's entirely possible they did see Stidham as a good QB...

 

13 minutes ago, Cotton Fitzsimmons said:

Gents, if we flash back 20 years and Bledsoe never gets hurt, chances are BB would’ve been canned and we would talk about him today as a guy who was a great DC, but not a good HC. His whole schtick which has included multiple instances of outright cheating would have probably netted the kind of middling record he has had pre and post Brady. 

 

Belicheat owes Mo Lewis...

[Ghost_002!]

13 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Never said there was an issue with you being here. 
 

Okay that’s what they’re taught... who’s to say another QB running there doesn’t put it in the wrong arm and get the ball knocked out? We’re playing the same game here... the what if game... ultimately we don’t know... but stating someone else would execute isn’t a “fact” that’s an opinion. 
 

 

You’re presenting facts but the whole argument isn’t rooted in fact, it’s rooted in opinion with facts being used to support it. Easy to confuse, but much different. 

 

You asked the question like it was a problem. What does it matter who i root for? I didnt come in here screaming "the bills suck" I came in and stated clearly what was my point. And as i said..when i said "you" I didnt mean directly you..but posters who come in with baseless opinions...

 

Me bring up the point of someone else could of QB that situation..was actually a response to someone claiming the bills finally won because brady wasnt on the field. My statement was to say...the bills winning had nothing to do with brady not being here and more Newton being carless with the ball....it's not an opinion....he clearly wasn't careful with the ball

 

 

and as you act like I do not know if the patriots or any team would be successful in that moment...

 

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct

 

 

NFL Team Red Zone Scoring Percentage (TD only)

More Team Stats...

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Rank	Team	2020	Last 3	Last 1	Home	Away	2019
1	Minnesota	78.12%	80.00%	100.00%	81.25%	75.00%	60.66%
2	Seattle	77.78%	54.55%	50.00%	87.50%	70.00%	64.62%
3	Arizona	74.29%	70.00%	100.00%	61.90%	92.86%	45.28%
4	Green Bay	73.68%	70.00%	75.00%	73.33%	73.91%	67.86%
5	Tampa Bay	72.09%	58.33%	100.00%	81.25%	66.67%	64.81%
6	Tennessee	71.79%	50.00%	40.00%	82.61%	56.25%	77.36%
7	Pittsburgh	69.44%	77.78%	100.00%	65.00%	75.00%	35.00%
8	Cleveland	67.74%	28.57%	33.33%	55.00%	90.91%	58.00%
9	Kansas City	67.50%	72.73%	80.00%	68.42%	66.67%	60.00%
10	San Francisco	66.67%	60.00%	33.33%	53.33%	76.19%	55.56%
11	New Orleans	65.91%	73.33%	75.00%	64.00%	68.42%	59.32%
12	LA Rams	65.79%	72.73%	100.00%	60.00%	69.57%	64.41%
13	Philadelphia	63.33%	71.43%	50.00%	61.11%	66.67%	63.16%
14	Buffalo	62.50%	66.67%	100.00%	65.38%	57.14%	56.52%
15	Miami	61.54%	63.64%	33.33%	60.00%	63.16%	56.25%
16	Las Vegas	61.54%	69.23%	80.00%	65.00%	57.89%	52.83%
17	Jacksonville	61.29%	50.00%	0.00%	61.54%	61.11%	40.43%
18	Detroit	60.00%	66.67%	75.00%	63.16%	57.14%	59.52%
19	Carolina	59.46%	72.73%	40.00%	63.16%	55.56%	58.00%
20	Houston	59.38%	55.56%	33.33%	43.75%	75.00%	62.71%
21	LA Chargers	58.82%	58.33%	40.00%	50.00%	71.43%	52.83%
22	Baltimore	58.82%	50.00%	25.00%	57.14%	61.54%	64.71%
23	Washington	58.33%	58.33%	50.00%	57.89%	58.82%	48.78%
24	New England	56.25%	66.67%	50.00%	60.00%	52.94%	49.21%
25	Indianapolis	55.26%	50.00%	50.00%	68.75%	45.45%	64.29%
26	Cincinnati	52.94%	60.00%	33.33%	52.94%	52.94%	43.75%
27	Atlanta	51.43%	36.36%	0.00%	55.56%	47.06%	51.67%
28	Dallas	50.00%	33.33%	0.00%	50.00%	50.00%	57.41%
29	Denver	48.28%	44.44%	25.00%	57.14%	40.00%	47.62%
30	NY Giants	48.15%	77.78%	66.67%	46.15%	50.00%	57.14%
31	Chicago	48.15%	50.00%	0.00%	50.00%	47.06%	52.17%
32	NY Jets	38.10%	80.00%	100.00%	23.08%	62.50%	54.55%

 

 

As you can see...in most cases...teams in the NFL are pretty successful in the redzone....so i was not given an "opinion" about the portability of the pats being successful on that last drive.

Edited November 27, 2020 by Ghost_002!

[YoloinOhio]

26 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

So for your first sentence. I root for NE. but this gets asked all the time, like other fans travel to other fans forum, nothing new..What I am doing here is no different than anything you would not see in a dolphins fan forum or even in a 49ers fan forum. What is the problem with me being here? 

I am have not taken any shot at the bills.

 

and no I didn't give a opinion but a fact. Newton was careless with the ball because all running backs and ball carriers are taught to hold the ball on the outside to reduce the chances of a defender knocking the ball out,  he was quoted and said it falls on him..because he is so use to holding the ball in his right hand, even though he was told and knows he should be handling the ball in his outside hand. I'm not implying that he is incapable, but that the situation calls for your QB to hold onto the football to give your team a chance to win. And as I described, it isn't something that only elite QBs can achieve in.

 

and you want to act like the percentages aren't high for a offense marching down the field,  ball on the 20 to score? OF course a lot can happen, but the percentages are high an NFL offense could score in that moment and no my post did not say the Pats would win...i said they "could" of won. 

[JGMcD2]

14 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

You asked the question like it was a problem. What does it matter who i root for? I didnt come in here screaming "the bills suck" I came in and stated clearly what was my point. And as i said..when i said "you" I didnt mean directly you..but posters who come in with baseless opinions...

 

Me bring up the point of someone else could of QB that situation..was actually a response to someone claiming the bills finally won because brady wasnt on the field. My statement was to say...the bills winning had nothing to do with brady not being here and more Newton being carless with the ball....it's not an opinion....he clearly wasn't careful with the ball

 

 

and as you act like I do not know if the patriots or any team would be successful in that moment...

 

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct

 

 

NFL Team Red Zone Scoring Percentage (TD only)

More Team Stats...

Season:                                                                          2003                                                                         2004                                                                         2005                                                                         2006                                                                         2007                                                                         2008                                                                         2009                                                                         2010                                                                         2011                                                                         2012                                                                         2013                                                                         2014                                                                         2015                                                                         2016                                                                         2017                                                                         2018                                                                         2019                                                                         2020                                                         

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Rank	Team	2020	Last 3	Last 1	Home	Away	2019
1	Minnesota	78.12%	80.00%	100.00%	81.25%	75.00%	60.66%
2	Seattle	77.78%	54.55%	50.00%	87.50%	70.00%	64.62%
3	Arizona	74.29%	70.00%	100.00%	61.90%	92.86%	45.28%
4	Green Bay	73.68%	70.00%	75.00%	73.33%	73.91%	67.86%
5	Tampa Bay	72.09%	58.33%	100.00%	81.25%	66.67%	64.81%
6	Tennessee	71.79%	50.00%	40.00%	82.61%	56.25%	77.36%
7	Pittsburgh	69.44%	77.78%	100.00%	65.00%	75.00%	35.00%
8	Cleveland	67.74%	28.57%	33.33%	55.00%	90.91%	58.00%
9	Kansas City	67.50%	72.73%	80.00%	68.42%	66.67%	60.00%
10	San Francisco	66.67%	60.00%	33.33%	53.33%	76.19%	55.56%
11	New Orleans	65.91%	73.33%	75.00%	64.00%	68.42%	59.32%
12	LA Rams	65.79%	72.73%	100.00%	60.00%	69.57%	64.41%
13	Philadelphia	63.33%	71.43%	50.00%	61.11%	66.67%	63.16%
14	Buffalo	62.50%	66.67%	100.00%	65.38%	57.14%	56.52%
15	Miami	61.54%	63.64%	33.33%	60.00%	63.16%	56.25%
16	Las Vegas	61.54%	69.23%	80.00%	65.00%	57.89%	52.83%
17	Jacksonville	61.29%	50.00%	0.00%	61.54%	61.11%	40.43%
18	Detroit	60.00%	66.67%	75.00%	63.16%	57.14%	59.52%
19	Carolina	59.46%	72.73%	40.00%	63.16%	55.56%	58.00%
20	Houston	59.38%	55.56%	33.33%	43.75%	75.00%	62.71%
21	LA Chargers	58.82%	58.33%	40.00%	50.00%	71.43%	52.83%
22	Baltimore	58.82%	50.00%	25.00%	57.14%	61.54%	64.71%
23	Washington	58.33%	58.33%	50.00%	57.89%	58.82%	48.78%
24	New England	56.25%	66.67%	50.00%	60.00%	52.94%	49.21%
25	Indianapolis	55.26%	50.00%	50.00%	68.75%	45.45%	64.29%
26	Cincinnati	52.94%	60.00%	33.33%	52.94%	52.94%	43.75%
27	Atlanta	51.43%	36.36%	0.00%	55.56%	47.06%	51.67%
28	Dallas	50.00%	33.33%	0.00%	50.00%	50.00%	57.41%
29	Denver	48.28%	44.44%	25.00%	57.14%	40.00%	47.62%
30	NY Giants	48.15%	77.78%	66.67%	46.15%	50.00%	57.14%
31	Chicago	48.15%	50.00%	0.00%	50.00%	47.06%	52.17%
32	NY Jets	38.10%	80.00%	100.00%	23.08%	62.50%	54.55%

 

 

As you can see...in most cases...teams in the NFL were pretty successful in the redzone last season....so i was not given an "opinion" about the portability of being successful in the redzone.

I mean I asked specifically because fandom usually causes people to behave in certain ways and hold certain opinions. I’m just curious where you’re coming from... most fans also don’t have the bandwidth to watch all 32 teams and under the nuances of each organization, their games, etc. I can’t restrict your posting, it’s more for my knowledge. 
 

Doing rough math it looks like the average TD conversion rate was around 55% last year? I mean it’s not necessarily a guarantee. It’s closer to a coin toss than a guarantee. 

 

EDIT: My rough math was REALLY good. It was 56% last year.

Edited November 27, 2020 by JGMcD2

[Ghost_002!]

Just now, JGMcD2 said:

I mean I asked specifically because fandom usually causes people to behave in certain ways and hold certain opinions. I’m just curious where you’re coming from... most fans also don’t have the bandwidth to watch all 32 teams and under the nuances of each organization, their games, etc. I can’t restrict your posting, it’s more for my knowledge. 
 

Doing rough math it looks like the average TD conversion rate was around 55% last year? I mean it’s not necessarily a guarantee. It’s closer to a coin toss than a guarantee. 

 

 

Well other fans travel to other fans forums. And if you are a football fan like myself...you follow who you can follow, plus with the technology now a days, "NFL redzone" you can see everyone...but i been a fan since 86 so...i like talking football. I would hope you shouldn't feel the need to restrict my post. I don't feel i am doing anything but having a football conversation. From a different point of view, but still a football convo.

 

Your last sentience ok, cool. I wasn't speaking from a guaranteed stand point but more from a probable stand point. 

[Solomon Grundy]

8 hours ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

The Patriot Way consists of:

 

1. Tom Brady

2. Ten feet of BS

3. Bill Belichick

4. 30 feet of BS

5. A bunch of kool aid drinking assistants chanting "Do Your Job!"

 

To be brief, F "the Patriot Way"!!!!!

[JGMcD2]

2 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Well other fans travel to other fans forums. And if you are a football fan like myself...you follow who you can follow, plus with the technology now a days, "NFL redzone" you can see everyone...but i been a fan since 86 so...i like talking football. I would hope you shouldn't feel the need to restrict my post. I don't feel i am doing anything but having a football conversation. From a different point of view, but still a football convo.

 

Your last sentience ok, cool. I wasn't speaking from a guaranteed stand point but more from a probable stand point. 

Yeah you see snippets of things. Not necessarily the whole story.

 

Well from a probability standpoint it's essentially a coin toss...

[GoBills808]

The patriot way- luck into the greatest QB of all time in the 6th round

 

And everyone wonders why it hasn't been replicated elsewhere...lol

 

 

[Ghost_002!]

8 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Yeah you see snippets of things. Not necessarily the whole story.

 

Well from a probability standpoint it's essentially a coin toss...

 

 

Yea you are free to look at however you want. What i seen was, the patriots had the bills on their heels. Had Newton not fumbled .....i felt great about the patriots chances. 

Edited November 27, 2020 by Ghost_002!

[JGMcD2]

3 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Yea you are free to look at however you want. What i seen was, the patriots had the bills on their heels. Had Newton not fumbled .....i felt great about the patriots chances. 

Well that’s an opinion.
 

You presented objective data to me and are now disregarding it in favor of your opinion, which is contrary to your whole message board posting code of ethics you laid out for me. 

[Ghost_002!]

10 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Well that’s an opinion.
 

You presented objective data to me and are now disregarding it in favor of your opinion, which is contrary to your whole message board posting code of ethics you laid out for me. 

 

 

here we go again........i gave the data for a purpose..because you seem hell bent on wanting to claim I am the pot calling the kettle black.  You stated what you felt and how you see it, and i stated how i felt and how i seen it. If it is "coin toss" then i am neither completely right or completely wrong in making my statement then, am I? 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2020 by Ghost_002!

[JGMcD2]

3 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

here we go again........i gave the data for a purpose..because you seem hell bent on wanting to claim I am the pot calling the kettle black.  You stated what you felt and how you see it, and i stated how i felt and how i seen it. If it is "coin toss" then i am neither completely right or completely wrong in making my statement, then am I? 

 

 

No, you’re not understanding how numbers work. 
 

I didn’t state how I felt, I asked for objective data in order to properly assess the situation. You provided that data, I analyzed that data and figured out your point was just wrong. 
 

You’ve been stating how you’ve felt this whole time and have been trumpeting your opinion as facts. That’s why I asked for objective data, which proved that. 

[Putin]

28 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

To be brief, F "the Patriot Way"!!!!!

+1