What will a Jon Feliciano and Daryl Williams extension look like?

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

7 hours ago, SCBills said:

No one said he is, but he’s available.  Milano is undersized and can’t stay healthy.  

We can draft a rangy linebacker in the first 3 rounds and then use Klein as intended, instead of how Milano’s constant injuries are forcing us to use him.  

 

In past 3 seasons, he played 44 out of 48 games.  So how exactly is that not staying healthy?

[aceman_16]

9 hours ago, NewEra said:

Sadly, I think Williams will get 13+ mill a year.  Former 2nd team all pro.

 

Feliciano- 3 years 18 mill.  That’s what we gave Aj Klein.

 

the lack of quality OTs causes someone to overpay 

Whelp good for compensation pick formulation!

[Richard Noggin]

8 hours ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Probably a lot like numbers.

This is why I come here.

 

You had a different handle on the BBMB, yes?

[SCBills]

10 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

In past 3 seasons, he played 44 out of 48 games.  So how exactly is that not staying healthy?

A) He’s banged up way too much, even if he plays through it

 

B) Contract year and he can’t get on the field 

 

C) No reason to believe an undersized linebacker with an injury history will suddenly be a reliable player moving forward 

[MrEpsYtown]

I think Williams is 100% back. I also think our starting guards next year are Cody Ford and Ike Boettger. 
 

Unlikely, but I could also see them cutting Mitch Morse and re-signing Feliciano to play center. I love Mitch Morse, but you can get out of his contract without much of a hit after this season. Hate to see it happen, but I do think Feliciano has been very good there.  

[Victory Formation]

8 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I think Williams is 100% back. I also think our starting guards next year are Cody Ford and Ike Boettger. 
 

Unlikely, but I could also see them cutting Mitch Morse and re-signing Feliciano to play center. I love Mitch Morse, but you can get out of his contract without much of a hit after this season. Hate to see it happen, but I do think Feliciano has been very good there.  

I think Feliciano is a better player than Morse... could save some money too.. line plays better without him..

[RochesterLifer]

6 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

I think Feliciano is a better player than Morse... could save some money too.. line plays better without him..

I’m not smart enough to be able to analyze O-line play, thus Feliciano vs. Morse. But I agree, this will be an interesting off-season decision. 

[Doc]

I'd restructure contracts to keep Williams.  The Bills haven't had a good RT in decades and here they have one staring them in the face.  You have bookends in him and Dawkins, Morse at C with Bates backing-him-up/the heir-apparent, Ford at OG and you find another OG since Feliciano might be a luxury. 

Edited November 15, 2020 by Doc

[Thurman#1]

11 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

I think I’d rather have Williams over Milano.. gotta protect the franchise..

 

 

That's the opposite of my guess. We'll see.

 

I'd put them in order of importance ... Milano, Feliciano and Williams. All of them are guys who would be fantastic to keep, but unless they do something like subtract $15 mill from the 2022 cap to add it to the 2021 cap (and I'm not sure this is at all likely), I don't see it as possible to keep all three, particularly as they will be trying to fill holes elsewhere with lower-level FAs as usual.

[BuffBillsForLife]

Out of Feliciano, Williams, and Milano I would want them to keep Williams but I feel like he's the one they'll let go.  His price tag will just be too high.

[Thurman#1]

11 hours ago, NewEra said:

Sadly, I think Williams will get 13+ mill a year.  Former 2nd team all pro.

 

Feliciano- 3 years 18 mill.  That’s what we gave Aj Klein.

 

the lack of quality OTs causes someone to overpay 

 

 

Yeah, but the one thing that might help us is that next year with the tiny amount of available cap money still left league-wide is that contracts given will be low low low. If the Bills could give him a cheap one-year deal or something ... I'm grasping at straws but I sure hope so.

 

RT Lane Johnson gets $18M/year

RT Trent Brown $16.5M

RT Jack Conklin $14M

RT Ja'Wuan James $12.75M

RT Lael Collins $10M

 

So, $13M seems possible if people still think he's playing at a top 10 level. Which he does seem to be doing. 

 

Again, the dearth of cap money next year might be a factor. But it only takes one team.

 

 

Generally, teams can keep and pay well roughly 10 core guys. That's plus/minus one or two but paying 12 generally strains resources and starts to put you in a bind. I think they'd try to keep all three if they had cap money next year. But they have very little.

 

It's an interesting dilemma. 

Edited November 15, 2020 by Thurman#1

[Thurman#1]

7 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Come on, read what I wrote. Notice how nobody is talking about Milano this week? Or at the very least panicking over him being out against Murray? That could all change if Klein and Edmunds look lost and a step late all game. 
 

 

 

IMO the reason nobody is talking about Milano this week is that they know he's coming back soon. If he was going to be gone a long time there'd be pissing and moaning and it would make total sense.

 

Milano and Edmurds together make this a much better defense.

Edited November 15, 2020 by Thurman#1

[BarleyNY]

5 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yeah, but the one thing that might help us is that next year with the tiny amount of available cap money still left league-wide is that contracts given will be low low low. If the Bills could give him a cheap one-year deal or something ... I'm grasping at straws but I sure hope so.

 

RT Lane Johnson gets $18M/year

RT Trent Brown $16.5M

RT Jack Conklin $14M

RT Ja'Wuan James $12.75M

RT Lael Collins $10M

 

So, $13M seems possible if people still think he's playing at a top 10 level. Which he does seem to be doing. 

 

Again, the dearth of cap money next year might be a factor. But it only takes one team.

The first year hit doesn’t have to be near the AAV of the contract so it’s possible to retain Williams.  A lot depends on the cap next season AND the expectations of the cap in 2022.  A timely and effective COVID vaccine would go a long way toward getting the cap back up.

 

I expect that there is some real work ahead for Beane.  We have $170.8M in expected cap expenditures next season with only 40 players under contract.  Unless the cap is well above the $175M agreed upon minimum there will be a bit of a blood bath.  The defensive front 7 will get hit and even a player like Morse could be released.  But there should be a lot of short term deals out there with a lot of teams in really bad cap shape so all would not be lost. 

[BillsVet]

Another "I'm worried" thread.  Man, just enjoy the season.   

 

I can't understand why people are focused on whether the front office will re-sign players in the off-season who haven't finished this season. 

 

My favorite "worried" thread of the past few years was when this board went apoplectic after NYJ traded 3 seconds to move up in the '18 draft.  People were demanding Buffalo do something.  NYJ of course later selected Darnold and early returns are Buffalo did better with Josh. 

 

Things worked out for the better then and the same will be said about the OL. 

 

 

Edited November 15, 2020 by BillsVet

[Thurman#1]

8 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

The first year hit doesn’t have to be near the AAV of the contract so it’s possible to retain Williams.  A lot depends on the cap next season AND the expectations of the cap in 2022.  A timely and effective COVID vaccine would go a long way toward getting the cap back up.

 

I expect that there is some real work ahead for Beane.  We have $170.8M in expected cap expenditures next season with only 40 players under contract.  Unless the cap is well above the $175M agreed upon minimum there will be a bit of a blood bath.  The defensive front 7 will get hit and even a player like Morse could be released.  But there should be a lot of short term deals out there with a lot of teams in really bad cap shape so all would not be lost. 

 

 

I'm very aware of the fact that the first year hit doesn't have to be high. But kicking the can down the road has its own downsides.

 

You're right about the bloodbath, though. We have $3.4 M left over this year. So let's say all of that gets rolled over. Right now we've got $5.37 M available next year. With the money rolled over from this year, that would be $10M. The rookie draft class generally costs $6 to $7 M. That leaves us about $3 to $4M. 

 

No matter how much we kick down the road (a strategy they have so far been loath to use, though part of that was simply the place were at in the life cycle of the team) it's simply not likely that we'll keep all three of these guys. I wish it was.

 

It becomes a bit more likely if the NFL does something to leaven the cap problems next year. Still a problem, though.

 

Agreed on the COVID vaccine being huge.

Edited November 15, 2020 by Thurman#1

[JoPoy88]

13 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

After last year everyone was talking about Milano vs Dawkins....it could come down to Milano vs Williams. If Klein and Edmunds can play another couple of good games together, we may get our answer on Milano. 
$10-13mil a year for a Very good RT is a much wiser investment than a banged up LB’er.

Klein’s gonna have to play more than a few good games for me to erase how he’s played up until last week. He went off for sure, but was mostly terrible up till the seahawks. No where near enough good tape to think about letting milano go.

[Special K]

Like this??

 

[LABILLBACKER]

14 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

After last year everyone was talking about Milano vs Dawkins....it could come down to Milano vs Williams. If Klein and Edmunds can play another couple of good games together, we may get our answer on Milano. 
$10-13mil a year for a Very good RT is a much wiser investment than a banged up LB’er.

All I know is Daryl has been amazing. We've waited awhile for a good RT.  Pay him....mm

[billsfan89]

14 hours ago, NewEra said:

Sadly, I think Williams will get 13+ mill a year.  Former 2nd team all pro.

 

Feliciano- 3 years 18 mill.  That’s what we gave Aj Klein.

 

the lack of quality OTs causes someone to overpay 

 

I hope his agent talks him into signing a one year deal to hit the market when the cap is higher. 

[Aussie Joe]

44 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I hope his agent talks him into signing a one year deal to hit the market when the cap is higher. 

1 year $12 M?