Are the Bills a very good team??? This is where the issue is

[Billsfan1972]

I think they are a very good team.  That is what I saw from the offense weeks 1-4.  I expected improvement on the D.

 

This is exactly why I (and others) post what I do, because I think this is the Bills year to go 11-5 (or 12-4).

 

But maybe I'm not right & this is an average team playing above their heads and the coaching staff doing a great job and maximizing their potential.  

 

Seems anytime people post expecting more, they are drowned out by 6-2 and that they've met or exceeded expectations.

 

BTW I'd much rather be right about them being a very good teram, then coaching being responsible for taking an again average to below average team to a better record then their personal befits. 

 

 

[4_kidd_4]

So you think you know, but you might not know. Solid. Got it.

[Billsfan1972]

Just now, 4_kidd_4 said:

So you think you know, but you might not know. Solid. Got it.

Asking for opinions and explaining the dichotomy we see how people responded to yesterday's game.

 

If the Bills are a mediocre team talent wise, that was a greta victory.

 

As a vastly superior team to the Pats, it was a disappointing performance (and forget it was the Pats and that the Bills were playing a battered reeling 2-4 team instead).    

[Big Turk]

They don't need to be anything right now other than in position to win the division.  The only thing that matters is how they look once the playoffs start and anyone who has watched football knows that teams can rise and fall throughout the course of a season in terms of their play and the teams that make it far in the playoffs are the teams peak at the right times late in the year(think Titans last year), not the teams that are great in September and October.

Edited November 2, 2020 by matter2003

[RoyBatty is alive]

I think the Bills are an above average team right now.  

 

If the old adage is true, you are what your record say you are, how are we go to perceive the Bills after the play the Seahawks and Cardinals.  If we go 0-2 then 6-4 sounds above average  but now 6-2  is a very good/great team..

 

I would be thrilled if the Bills end up 11-5, i am thinking 11 wins is the real ceiling, our defense is terrible and every week Bills fans here always saying/hoping we will turn it around, time to get real.

[JaCrispy]

Very good? No

 

Solid? Yes

[Billsfan1972]

7 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I think the Bills are an above average team right now.  

 

If the old adage is true, you are what your record say you are, how are we go to perceive the Bills after the play the Seahawks and Cardinals.  If we go 0-2 then 6-4 sounds above average  but now 6-2  is a very good/great team..

 

I would be thrilled if the Bills end up 11-5, i am thinking 11 wins is the real ceiling, our defense is terrible and every week Bills fans here always saying/hoping we will turn it around, time to get real.

Thank you for an actual answer......😉

 

Most seem just to point to the W/L and go 6-2!!!

[Codyny13]

We are not elite. We are not the Chiefs, or one the few teams on that top tier, and I think collectively we need to enjoy wins more than pouting about not winning by enough. We did such few winning for the best part of 2 decades, until we were lucky enough to get some guys to lead us into an era where we’re competing for playoffs year in and year out and now it seems from half the posters we want to fire and run these guys out of here. How quickly we forget we’ve been a laughing stock for a long time, personally, and I take it very personally, I wish we could back the team more. That doesn’t go without criticism, and there’s many things that happen during the course of the game that make me want to put my hand through the TV, but when the end of the game comes, and a W goes in that left column, I wish I could dap all them guys up.

[MAJBobby]

They are a 6-2 Division Leading Football team.

 

That is really all that matters at this point.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

Interesting if you look at the odds all year, the Bills have won the games they were favored in and lost the games they were the underdog, so apparently they are about as good as most think they are.  in 3 of their wins they were dead even on the spread too and the other three they slightly beat the spread.

[K-9]

Still a few players away. But at least one of those players isn’t a QB who can win us some games and we are trending in the right direction.

[RoyBatty is alive]

3 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Very good? No

 

Solid? Yes

 

I went to yahoo sports to look up update NFL power rankings.  They have us listed as #8, I would be thrilled if that were true.  They have the Titans and the Green Bay packers worse than  us which I think is absurd.

[Billsflyer12]

Team Off - 13th

           Def - 17th

 

Turnovers - 17th

Point Differential is -1

 

Looks average offense, below average defense with the Top 3 team offensive teams next on our schedule.

 

[Rc2catch]

The league has not changed that much. 
Good teams win in all kinds of different ways. 
KC ran it down our throats even though they haven’t been a great run team. 
Miami won yesterday with a punt return, fumble return, and barely any pass or run game. 
The issue people have is a win is a win is a win. Why be negative? We shoulda blown them out on paper? Go back to the pregame Tennessee thread. Fans though we were gonna destroy that team. (They couldn’t practice in case nobody heard 😜) 

Any given Sunday. I don’t think there’s a fan out there who disagrees the team plays soft. So why would we expect to just manhandle opponents who have less talent? It’s like fans expect lesser teams to just roll over and die. When the defense gets no turnovers and gives up huge 3rd and longs other teams are gonna stay in the game. Until yesterday we had one of the worst run games in the league. But back to the original point, every team needs to be able to step up in other areas to win games. Other teams considered better than us lost yesterday to inferior teams at least we pulled one out. (We generally give those games away) 

[34-78-83]

Something I learned from watching one of the Steelers SuperBowl runs unfold where they took a wildcard spot and won it all... Each game is its own unique entity. Not a drop of energy by players or game coaches needs to be spent (other then scouts etc.) on any other opponent than the next one on the schedule. Its the "taking it one game a t a time" cliche but it hold so true. Knowing that the Bills have ENOUGH talent overall to at least hang with any team, this approach will give them a chance to beat any team they face.

[JGMcD2]

8 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

They would not be considered a "very good team" IMO. They are average and I think the last 8 games of the season will prove this. They will win 2-3 games at most the rest of the way.

 

The first 4 games, the MVP and COY talk was all very premature like I was saying at the time, but ofc getting blasted for not being a "fan". lol

 

Allen is a mid 60's completion QB who has flashes but likely will never be elite like Mahomes or Roethlisberger, as AFC examples.

 

McDermott is middling at best and Belichick nearly beat him yesterday with an over the hill/aging vet QB and 3rd string WR's.

 

Allen is a keeper but will probably never be hoisting the Lombardi. McDermott on the other hand is not a keeper IMO, his "process" is suspect as his teams underachieve where with other coaches would be much more productive, if not excelling.

 

If McDermott is as good as some of you say he'd lead this team to a 6-2 finish to the season winning against better teams via game planning and calling, but we all know he's not capable, he can barely beat the teams he's supposed to beat...

Do you have a recommendation for a better coach? 
 

Or examples of the 14-15 coaches you think are better than McDermott? 

[sullim4]

I think the better question is -- can the team win a playoff game?

 

Likely opponents right now, assuming they win the division, appear to be Baltimore, Cleveland, Indianapolis, and the Raiders.  Baltimore would be the toughest out of the group (and the most likely, should the Bills get the 4th seed).  I think the Bills could beat the other three teams.

[RalphWilson'sNewWar]

6-2 record masks a more middle of the pack team.

 

offense points per game have dropped from 30 in games 1-4 to 19 in games 5-8.

 

I guess it comes down to...and forget the record...

 

Do they look to be...

 

Improving...Middling...Regressing?

 

Offense - Regressing

Defense - Middling

Special Teams - Middling

 

Personally ranking them in AFC I would say...6th.

 

[muppy]

2 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

Something I learned from watching one of the Steelers SuperBowl runs unfold where they took a wildcard spot and won it all... Each game is its own unique entity. Not a drop of energy by players or game coaches needs to be spent (other then scouts etc.) on any other opponent than the next one on the schedule. Its the "taking it one game a t a time" cliche but it hold so true. Knowing that the Bills have ENOUGH talent overall to at least hang with any team, this approach will give them a chance to beat any team they face.

excellent post. In the grand scheme of things I think you hit the nail right on the head. Coming out of any NFL game with a Win is an achievement and it takes a lot of pieces working together including coaching, scheme. game plan, execution, lack of penalties, lack of turnovers, accuracy, lack of mistakes...all those things ...each game taken as a distinct challenge and overcoming your own deficiencies and exploiting theirs.......That is what produces wins and a bit of luck never hurts either haha.

[NewEra]

5 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

They would not be considered a "very good team" IMO. They are average and I think the last 8 games of the season will prove this. They will win 2-3 games at most the rest of the way.

 

The first 4 games, the MVP and COY talk was all very premature like I was saying at the time, but ofc getting blasted for not being a "fan". lol

 

Allen is a mid 60's completion QB who has flashes but likely will never be elite like Mahomes or Roethlisberger, as AFC examples.

 

McDermott is middling at best and Belichick nearly beat him yesterday with an over the hill/aging vet QB and 3rd string WR's.

 

Allen is a keeper but will probably never be hoisting the Lombardi. McDermott on the other hand is not a keeper IMO, his "process" is suspect as his teams underachieve where with other coaches would be much more productive, if not excelling.

 

If McDermott is as good as some of you say he'd lead this team to a 6-2 finish to the season winning against better teams via game planning and calling, but we all know he's not capable, he can barely beat the teams he's supposed to beat...

You would be the first person to ever say this, other than a couple other clueless folk we have on the board.

 

in 2017, they year the world said we were tanking, he made the playoffs....we didn’t have 1 nfl caliber WR or TE.  Yet he underachieved.

 

after a down 2018 with a raw qb that wasn’t supposed to even play for a year or two, he goes 10-6 and was a terrible “blindside block” call from beating the texans and winning at least one playoff game.  It took watson bouncing off 2 tacklers (maybe it’s McDs fault for drawing up that play to get two blotters hit him at the same exact time) and looking like Superman to beat us.  
 

now we’re 6-2 while our defenses’ QB, Edmunds, is trying to figure out how to play the game again after being injured and while losing his 1 tech.  We don’t have a replacement 1 tech, which is our FOs biggest blunder of the season (not replacing Star). Our secondary is constantly banged up.  We have the worst LB in the NFL playing a lot of snaps (McBs second biggest blunder).  
 

our two losses were against the two best teams in the afc last season.  But yeah, McD is an “under achiever” as if we are the most loaded team in the league that should be 7-1 or 8-0.

 

you don’t like McD.  Fine.  I get it. Just don’t make stuff up.