GreggTX Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 C+ No excuses for a few ugly misses and he continues to hold the ball when he takes off as if ball security was an afterthought. I don't blame him so much for the dropped ball when he was upside-down, but the 1st one was an obvious inattention to detail. He does this far too often and part of the blame has to go to the coaches. There's no excuse for not wrapping the ball up when he runs. None at all. Getting stripped on a sack is another matter, but neither of those fumbles can be excused. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, GreggTX said: C+ No excuses for a few ugly misses and he continues to hold the ball when he takes off as if ball security was an afterthought. I don't blame him so much for the dropped ball when he was upside-down, but the 1st one was an obvious inattention to detail. He does this far too often and part of the blame has to go to the coaches. There's no excuse for not wrapping the ball up when he runs. None at all. Getting stripped on a sack is another matter, but neither of those fumbles can be excused. That's a bit harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 10 hours ago, KD in CA said: “Way too many” being 3? So the number of acceptable bad plays is zero? You would like those types of plays to be less than 1 on average per game. 4 bad plays that take points away doesn't happen very often. We're talking 2 wide open TD'S, no one near the pass catcher and 2 fumbles in scoring territory. A running back gets benched for those fumbles, Singletary definitely would've been benched. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Nelius said: Baker laid an egg. Darnold laid an egg, again. Rosen is practically out of the league. Rejoice Bills fans. Rosen: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoshin Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Nelius said: This offense carved them up today. Josh was in total control. Of course he needs to correct the errors, but there was no question of who was the better QB. And that's a division rival. For all of the hate I definitely remember many thinking the Jets were a savvy playoff pick a few months ago, but now they're just the Jets since Adams left, or something. I'll take Josh Allen in a wild shootout with any team, turnovers included. Agree that Allen looked great. The Jets are one of the dumpster fire teams this season. No one credible thought they’d be good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FieldGeneral Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 hours ago, GreggTX said: C+ No excuses for a few ugly misses and he continues to hold the ball when he takes off as if ball security was an afterthought. I don't blame him so much for the dropped ball when he was upside-down, but the 1st one was an obvious inattention to detail. He does this far too often and part of the blame has to go to the coaches. There's no excuse for not wrapping the ball up when he runs. None at all. Getting stripped on a sack is another matter, but neither of those fumbles can be excused. This drives me insane when he runs the ball. As a rookie, OK, I can let it go, but this is year 3. No excuses anymore, tuck it away or slide. Virtually every one of his fumbles is him almost on the ground and it gets poked out because he's holding it nonchalantly. There's also that panic mode errant throw when nobody is near him where he can't believe that a guy is that open and he launches it too hard or with no touch resulting in an incompletion. All in all considering the opponent, he played great, but those small mistakes will kill us against teams like KC, Pitt, SF, and Tennessee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 B+ was fair given the fumbles. 72% completion is exactly what people complained about meaning 59% last year. He has to tuck that ball moving forward, not have the ball extended in his hand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 (edited) Here's my question? How would you rate Jameis Winston as a Tampa QB? All the yards and points right? But those turnovers. I'm weird where I actually rate QB fumbles as worse than INTs. Ball security for QB is crucial. I guess in terms of Bills QB play it was a B or A performance but that was not a consistently good game by Josh Allen. Higher standards need to be met. Without the fumbles it's a B and the Bills likely put 30+ up in the 1st half. The missed TD throws make it an A. He did fumble twice going in for points and he did miss the throws. So I gave him a C. Plenty of room for improvement. Edited September 14, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I say B. Cut out the fumbles for the love of God. That annoys me more than the Brown and Knox misses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 15 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: C. Way too many bad plays. Did you ever watch Jim Kelly play QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRT88 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 15 hours ago, Warcodered said: Just for future reference what qualifies as an A? No turnovers, that would seem logical and also getting that 3rd TD pass time the WIDE OPEN WR at the back of the endzone just random thoughts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 15 hours ago, Warcodered said: Just for future reference what qualifies as an A? I think you have to ding him for the fumbles......maybe the overthrow in the end zone......we cannot expect perfection but turnovers can cost games against a better opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, eball said: Did you ever watch Jim Kelly play QB? Yeah. What does that have to do with anything? That was 30 years ago. I don't see how he gets an A with those major mistakes. C is perfect. It was a good game minus the mistakes. Edited September 14, 2020 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 if you give allen anything below a B for that game, you're letting previous bias get in you way. it certainly wasn't a perfect game, but the entire body of work was easily B or above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 17 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Yeah. What does that have to do with anything? That was 30 years ago. I don't see how he gets an A with those major mistakes. C is perfect. It was a good game minus the mistakes. It has to do with the fact that all QBs -- even the very good ones -- typically make 3-4 plays a game they'd like to have back. As @teef mentioned above, if you are grading Josh below a 'B' for this game you're letting unreasonable expectations or a bias enter into your thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, eball said: It has to do with the fact that all QBs -- even the very good ones -- typically make 3-4 plays a game they'd like to have back. As @teef mentioned above, if you are grading Josh below a 'B' for this game you're letting unreasonable expectations or a bias enter into your thinking. Yea - the Brown miss is a play the top QBs might only miss 5 times in a 100... but the other throws people have crabbed - one to Beasley, one to Knox, one to Singletary which were either a narrow miss or balls that more precision might man a touchdown rather than just a completion.... every single Quarterback in the NFL had one or two of those throws this weekend. Every single one. Even Mahomes. If you are just grading Josh's passing he was at worst an A- for yesterday. That is probably what I'd have given him and if he hits Brown it is a clear A. I think bumping him down for the two fumbles which resulted in turnovers is fair, but as a passer only it was a pretty clean game. And I am on record as saying his passing development matters to me much more at this point. So while I do bump his grade for yesterday down to a B+ rather than A- my feeling about where he is headed on the back of that game is 100% positive. Now he needs to stack really good weeks, one after the other. That is what the best guys do. He normally likes playing against Miami so fingers crossed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I’d give him a B+.. very good day overall for Allen.. but i think he can and will do better than this! I expect a couple 400yd games out of him this season.. I don’t think we’ve even scratched the surface as far as what Allen can do.. he would’ve had well over 300yds had the game been more competitive.. we pounded the ball at the end to kill the clock.. I think Allen easily goes over 4,000 yards passing this year and I expect 30+ TDS.. One caveat about this Bills team though is that we are extremely young.. I do think raw talent wise we’re a top 5 or 6 team in this league but we need lots of seasoning and experience... we still have a young squad.. the foundation, the nuclei is there but we lack experience....and that’s a problem.. I suspect that we win the division and maybe a playoff game but I think we’re a year removed from Super Bowl contention... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: I’d give him a B+.. very good day overall for Allen.. but i think he can and will do better than this! I expect a couple 400yd games out of him this season.. I don’t think we’ve even scratched the surface as far as what Allen can do.. he would’ve had well over 300yds had the game been more competitive.. we pounded the ball at the end to kill the clock.. I think Allen easily goes over 4,000 yards passing this year and I expect 30+ TDS.. One caveat about this Bills team though is that we are extremely young.. I do think raw talent wise we’re a top 5 or 6 team in this league but we need lots of seasoning and experience... we still have a young squad.. the foundation, the nuclei is there but we lack experience....and that’s a problem.. I suspect that we win the division and maybe a playoff game but I think we’re a year removed from Super Bowl contention... I doubt the Bills have many games where they need their QB to throw for 400 yards. Those game usually come in shootouts and I struggle to see this team being in many. That said more injuries on the defensive side and that could change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 We saw the new floor. Could be quite a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 19 minutes ago, eball said: It has to do with the fact that all QBs -- even the very good ones -- typically make 3-4 plays a game they'd like to have back. As @teef mentioned above, if you are grading Josh below a 'B' for this game you're letting unreasonable expectations or a bias enter into your thinking. I expect him to not have 2 lost fumbles while running the football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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