Buffalo one of only two stadiums that will require face coverings on sideline

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, BuffAlone said:

sorry to hear of your ailment. truely. I have family going thru similar issues, including my mother whom i havent seen since this started. I wear my mask in public. I never said I didnt respect that. I just stated a truth and was called an idiot. Those who are in high risk need to be protected. Those who arent should still be careful and mindful. but damn, 50 million people died from Spanish flu. The world never shut down like this. 

Apparently they should have.  LOL.

[todd]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

"They" is the CDC. We already went over this. The CDC is wrong?

  No, they aren’t:

 

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0714-americans-to-wear-masks.html

[todd]

2 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said:

The New York Metro area is one of the world's largest transportation hubs. NYC was broadsided, before anyone knew what was going on. New York now has the lowest, or almost the lowest percentage of new cases, and deaths, in the U.S. That is not an accident.

Shhhh! Facts are hard for some people here.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

31 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

"They" is the CDC. We already went over this. The CDC is wrong?

 

Let's try one more time:

 

How religion works: "This is what I believe, and I believe it forevermore World Without End Amen"

How science works: "This is what I believe based on current knowledge.  When we gain different knowledge and understanding, I will adjust my beliefs to match"

 

CDC, March, based on what was then known (mostly from China): don't wear a mask, asymptomatic spread rare

CDC, May, based on new and overwhelming contact tracing evidence: asymptomatic spread is a problem, masks help reduce this, please wear a mask.

 

You're welcome, and further discussion is welcome too - in PPP, or in the Covid Discussion thread in OTW.

Thank you

 

29 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

LOL.  I feel bad for the mods.  I've never seen politics and sports converge together like they have this year.

 

Your expression of sympathy is appreciated.  Thank you.

[Westside]

3 hours ago, todd said:

Im not a fan, but I appreciate the efforts NY is going through to keep people like me safe and alive.

Hey!!!!!

Long time no see! It's nice to see you on here again. I hope you and your family are doing well during this virus. 

[Punching Bag]

42 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

LOL.  I feel bad for the mods.  I've never seen politics and sports converge together like they have this year.

 

Personally I think CTE is spreading as fast as COVID-19,

[Beast]

Makes sense.

 

You don’t have to wear one at Met Life Stadium, right outside of NYC, but have to wear one in Orchard Park, NY.

[ziltoid]

When somebody tests positive on Weds, I’ll be glad our guys were wearing masks on Sunday.  It’s all about reducing the percentages, and it makes sense to this guy.

Edited September 6, 2020 by BeerLeagueHockey

[BuffAlone]

1 hour ago, todd said:

Thanks.

Sorry, but your truth is questionable.

 

That was 100 years ago. Are you really comparing our understanding of medicine and how we deal with things to now? Don’t you think it is important to do whatever is in our power to save at risk people like me, including wearing masks? Is it that hard?

you didnt read my post?? I said I wear a mask. I said those who are most vulnerable should take the most precautions. I said those at low risk should be careful and mindful of others. wtf are you assuming Im saying that I clearly never said? 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

21 minutes ago, Beast said:

Makes sense.

 

You don’t have to wear one at Met Life Stadium, right outside of NYC, but have to wear one in Orchard Park, NY.

 

It doesn't makes sense, of course, but that's the problem with a fragmented locale-by-locale and state-by-state response

[Hapless Bills Fan]

And once again peeps - the Covid threads are at your service if you wish a general discussion of covid.

 

Fair warning, I still have N95 maskmarks on my face from spending the afternoon in Covid Central (big teaching hospital in town) with my non-covid-infected (yet) 88 year old heart patient mother, recovering from a respiratory arrest and hip replacement. 

 

This is my second time speaking up on this point. 

 

If your post has disappeared, take it as a Free Clue that it's regarded as devoid of football relevance...or don't, I don't care.  Kicking a few people out the airlock for not taking heed to this warning wouldn't bother me a bit. Make My Day.

[BuffAlone]

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Edited September 6, 2020 by BuffAlone

[Punching Bag]

Bills will have advantage at home stadium compared to visitors who are not used to wearing masks.

 

Personally if I had to wear a mask at job 10-12 hours a day I could not do it for I had bronchitis / walking pneumonia as college student which reduced my lung capacity.  I would have doubted doctor except I had empirical evidence of it for I used to be able to swim the length of an Olympic size swimming pool under water and could only do half the length afterwards.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

Bills will have advantage at home stadium compared to visitors who are not used to wearing masks.

 

Personally if I had to wear a mask at job 10-12 hours a day I could not do it for I had bronchitis / walking pneumonia as college student which reduced my lung capacity.  I would have doubted doctor except I had empirical evidence of it for I used to be able to swim the length of an Olympic size swimming pool under water and could only do half the length afterwards.

 

Even a paper mask?  My 88 yr old heart failure mom can wear one.  Has to, in hospital.

 

I can feel an N95 or a KN95 mask, especially if I exert myself near to my personal physical capacity.

Cloth mask with a filter, I feel it a bit if I'm hiking uphill

A single-layer cloth mask or a paper medical mask?  Don't even know it's there, nowadays, it's so light and breatheable.

 

Still, I feel bad for players coming off the field sucking major wind.  Maybe they'll have some kind of oxygen setup they can wear to help them recover, oxygen mask under a medical mask or something.

[Punching Bag]

27 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Even a paper mask?  My 88 yr old heart failure mom can wear one.  Has to, in hospital.

 

 

Yes, I can use one when going shopping but not long term. 

Fortunately even shopping it is not necessary all the time; when I am in big box hardware store often no one is within 20 feet of us and other places I just go into corner away from people.

[Jdragon2]

Honestly I approve. It won’t inconvenience them too much and I’d rather the players take precautions so they can keep playing.

 

side note: hapless, sorry to hear about what you’re going through...stay safe! Also stay sane! Reading through this thread has been like trying to read the Bible and the Koran at the same time....with the random Cthulhu worshippers who don’t understand why masks are required and just want the world to burn under an octopus faced tentacle monster

[Rick 'r Mortis]

Loving all the know-it-alls here...oh, and thanks for showing yourselves, you the ignorant.

 

Can't wait for football.

[DRutka]

2 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

 

People at risk can CHOOSE to wear masks and stay home... 

I don't understand this comment and I definitely don't understand how people don't get this...

 

You wear a mask to protect OTHERS! So it's not about the people at risk choosing to wear them, it does not help them, it helps YOU. 2nd, some people CAN NOT stay home. They may have to work, go to the grocery store or whatever. Not everyone has options to stay home, not work, or could afford to pay someone to go shopping for them.

 

Saying "People at risk can CHOOSE to wear masks and stay home" is just about the most ignorant comment anyone can make!

[Chandler#81]

14 hours ago, boater said:

And since King Andy likes to sadistically kick people around, especially Upstate people, you can count on the face covering mandate to continue.

Fyi, I looked into your boating license. Appears current. But your fishing license is expired. If I catch you trolling again, you’ll be in a heap of trouble, ‘pardner’. We don’t take kindly to yer kind in this neighborhood..

[DRutka]

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

 

I understand that masks are for protecting others. The best way for those at higher risks from comorbidity is to stay home, and not to rely on gov't forcing others to wear masks. Masks are def not a guarantee of non-transmittel.

But some people don't have an option to stay home. No family in the area, no money to pay for others to do things for them. Telling them they have an option is such a "privileged" comment.

 

True, masks are not a guarantee, but they help ALOT. Not wearing a simple piece of cloth to help protect even just one person is immoral. These are the same people that are the most dumbfounded when a relative gets sick and dies.

[DRutka]

4 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

 

It's overreach to demand citizens of a free society to wear masks IMO. Now, I can see at grocery stores and pharmacies, but in parks and at sports stadiums, just no, people can choose not to go to those places.

With that, is it an over reach in a free society for the gov't to tell you to go 55 mph on the thruway? Why not go 100? You will get there faster. It's your right. To be damned with the other people on the road. Heck, if you hit them and kill them because of your speed, they shouldn't have been driving. They should have stayed home. SMH!!!!

Edited September 6, 2020 by DRutka

[todd]

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

 

It's overreach to demand citizens of a free society to wear masks IMO. Now, I can see at grocery stores and pharmacies, but in parks and at sports stadiums, just no, people can choose not to go to those places as those are not life neccessities.

 

And I won't go to a stadium, being high risk. My immune system is shot from radiation I'm getting, and the virus could kill me quickly.

 

But what you are missing is that events like stuff in stadiums can spread the disease quickly and bring it to other people who didn't even go. If you call asking citizens to wear masks to protect the vulnerable, I guess I don't have many nice things to say to you. So I won't.

 

Wear a damn mask every time you can't be further away than 6 feet from other people, even for 5 minutes. It's not that hard.

2 minutes ago, DRutka said:

With that, is it an over reach in a free society for the gov't to tell you to go 55 mph on the thruway? Why not go 100? You will get there faster. It's your right. To be damned with the other people on the road. Heck, if you hit them and kill them because of your speed, they shouldn't have been driving. They should have stayed home. SMH!!!!

 

Reminds me of the whole argument against seatbelts. Or wearing motorcycle helmets. Lunacy.

[oldmanfan]

12 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

I have a pic on my phone that I can't post because it's too big but it does say it on the box from the makers themselves. I promise you it does. Do a google imaging search. You will find a ton of them

That is written by their lawyers to guard against liability.  Masks work to mitigate spread; the data is undeniable.

[DRutka]

11 minutes ago, todd said:

But what you are missing is that events like stuff in stadiums can spread the disease quickly and bring it to other people who didn't even go.

EXACTLY!

 

11 minutes ago, todd said:

And I won't go to a stadium, being high risk. My immune system is shot from radiation I'm getting, and the virus could kill me quickly.

This is the exact reason I wear a mask! If I ever come across you in life (or someone else you may come across down the line), I will do everything in my power to help you not catch this DEADLY virus. People thinking more about themselves and their inconveniences do not belong in a civilized society. Take care my friend.

Edited September 6, 2020 by DRutka

[nucci]

22 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

 

It's overreach to demand citizens of a free society to wear masks IMO. Now, I can see at grocery stores and pharmacies, but in parks and at sports stadiums, just no, people can choose not to go to those places as those are not life neccessities.

they demand you wear a seatbelt while driving...is that overreach? Free societies have laws meant to protect them. 

[Dragoon]

When you find yourself in the same category as San Francisco it’s time to do some self reflecting and an internal audit. 

[DRutka]

25 minutes ago, nucci said:

they demand you wear a seatbelt while driving...is that overreach? Free societies have laws meant to protect them. 

The key word here is "them". If it is meant to protect them, they are all for it. If it is meant to protect others, it's an over reaching inconvenience that must be stopped. To hell with others apparently.

Edited September 6, 2020 by DRutka

[eball]

47 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

 

It's overreach to demand citizens of a free society to wear masks IMO. Now, I can see at grocery stores and pharmacies, but in parks and at sports stadiums, just no, people can choose not to go to those places as those are not life neccessities.

 

It’s also overreach to require placing a strap across your body in a vehicle in a free society.  Do you know how freaking uncomfortable those things are?  How dare they demand that of me.

 

You and those who think like you are idiots, plain and simple.  Mods, if you want to suspend me for that comment go right ahead.  I can take a few days off.

[Buffalo03]

45 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

That is written by their lawyers to guard against liability.  Masks work to mitigate spread; the data is undeniable.

Box: "This mask won't protect you from jack squat"

 

People that only want to see and hear what they want: "Their lawyers make them put that on there for liability issues" 

[DRutka]

25 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

I'm big on freedom of choice, not banning/demanding citizens follow suit.

So, with that logic, you would be OK with someone "choosing" to hurt someone you love with a car, a weapon, or anything else?

 

They shouldn't have been in the way of my car? It was their choice to walk in front of my car in the crosswalk, heck I was driving and I didn't choose to stop for that red light? See how ridiculous that sounds? Just as it is ridiculous to not wear a mask around others you do not know during a FREAK-EN PANDEMIC! It's not like there is no reason to do this.

 

Your argument holds NO merit. A civilized, free society will always need laws to PROTECT people from stupid, ignorant and/or uncaring people.

Edited September 6, 2020 by DRutka

[YoloinOhio]

11 hours ago, Beast said:

Makes sense.

 

You don’t have to wear one at Met Life Stadium, right outside of NYC, but have to wear one in Orchard Park, NY.

Seems odd, I always heard the NJ governor did whatever Cuomo did 

[oldmanfan]

45 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said:

Box: "This mask won't protect you from jack squat"

 

People that only want to see and hear what they want: "Their lawyers make them put that on there for liability issues" 

The data showing masks help mitigate droplet transmission are clear and undeniable

[oldmanfan]

1 minute ago, BUFFALOBART said:

He attended 'Box College', so there is no point in arguing with him.

True.  The pandemic has shown just how willfully ignorant and selfish our society has become.  In some ways that is a bigger long term danger to the country than the actual pandemic, although of course the loss of life and economic impact have been horrible.

[Nineforty]

16 hours ago, SCBills said:

Oh cool... this again. 
 

As a former New Yorker, all I can say is thank God I do not live in NY anymore.  
 

Take that however you’d like.  My sentiment is shared by a whole lot of people that no longer call NY home. 

We don't miss you. Any of you.

5 hours ago, Gene1973 said:

 

People at risk can CHOOSE to wear masks and stay home... 

And we can choose to beat your ass for riskin other people's health

[Chandler#81]

8 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

 

Iniversity at Buffalo actually, STEM. Glad I graduated in the 90's, would not want to be attending these days...

Give it a rest, Geno. 

[YoloinOhio]

Back on topic, I wear a mask and encourage masks in public. I do question why it would be required on a nfl sideline if everyone there has tested negative ...

[YoloinOhio]

2 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

 

Is there anemoji for bitting tongue?

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[Logic]

The fact that this thread is at eight pages speaks to the problem itself:

Mask wearing should not be a controversial issue. Mask wearing should not be a political issue.

If, from the beginning, mask wearing had been neither a controversial nor political issue in the United States, we'd have lost thousands of less people, and we'd all be back to a version of life much closer to "normal" by now.

The fact that mask wearing IS controversial and political and has thus led to so many unnecessary deaths and the prolonging of this pandemic in our country leads me to fear that the movie "Idiocracy" has come true.

As a prominent epidemiologist said: "We have an acute affection of politics in our public health policy".

[NoHuddleKelly12]

1 hour ago, Gene1973 said:

 

The seatbelt laws are def overreach IMO. However, I would say if someone was injured in an accident due to not wearing one, there could be insurance consequenses, know and understand the consequenses before you make your choice. I'm big on freedom of choice, not banning/demanding citizens follow suit.

 

I started driving when seat belts were not required. Then it was stated that you must wear them, but you would not be ticketed for not wearing unless you were stopped for some other violation. That was total BS, it wasn't soon after police started stopping people for not wearing them as they saw a revenue stream. This is how a society loses its freedoms, and ofc you have people cheering on the loss of said freedoms. Maybe re-evaluate who you deem to be an idiot.

 

Many loses of small freedoms do add up over time...

The problem is when your freedom request affects me or others around you—it’s always a balancing act, no? Classic example would be whether or not you get to yell FIRE in a crowded theater—or, should you have the freedom to decide whether or not your kid rides in a car seat? 

[eball]

Those of you protesting the wearing of masks as an infringement upon “freedom” clearly don’t understand what freedom means, and more importantly, what it does not mean.  Freedom does not mean a person may do or say anything he chooses.  There has always been a need for laws that dictate what is and is not acceptable in any free society.  There is a public health and safety interest in protecting people from harming themselves and others.  Putting laws/requirements/mandates in place that serve a larger goal of protecting all people is not an infringement upon “free society.”

 

If you choose to live in the wilderness, feeding yourself off the land and not coming into contact with other human beings, then yes, you are truly free and may essentially do whatever you please.  But when you decide to live among others you knowingly and willingly accept that there will be things you may not do, as well as things you must do, that serve an interest greater than your own.

 

To imply that a requirement to wear a face covering to protect others during a worldwide pandemic is an infringement upon freedom is perhaps the single most ridiculous thing I’ve heard in my 50+ years of walking this earth.