Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: No need for a FB with Smith and Sweeney. Maybe this is my ignorance, but can either Smith or Sweeney fill the traditional lead-blocker role of a fullback? It's been my impression that Smith doesn't have the quick twitch and low center of gravity to block in traffic - he can basically act as a 6th OLman? Also my impression that Sweeney has a long way to go to develop as a blocker in the NFL? I could be wrong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: I wonder if the picture on the right was taken when they told him he was being placed on IR? 1 hour ago, H2o said: This also makes me wonder if at times our 2 RB sets are gonna have both Moss and Singletary on the field at the same time? I'd vote for that. Was wondering if they'd consider that. Technically what is the difference between a full back and guy built like Moss? If you need a true FB for certain plays, couldn't Moss fill that role? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 hour ago, CapeBreton said: Great to see Sweeney back, has he done any work at all though? I didn’t think he was even running yet. He likely goes on IR after the final cutdown. With the new rules, IR players can now return after three weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Just now, FLFan said: He likely goes on IR after the final cutdown. With the new rules, IR players can now return after three weeks. They should have just kept him on the PUP list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, FLFan said: He likely goes on IR after the final cutdown. With the new rules, IR players can now return after three weeks. Is that for all IR, or just the covid-19 IR? 1 minute ago, Doc said: They should have just kept him on the PUP list. I don't think they can do that after the cutdown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I don't think they can do that after the cutdown? If a player starts camp on the PUP list, he can be put on the regular season PUP list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Maybe this is my ignorance, but can either Smith or Sweeney fill the traditional lead-blocker role of a fullback? It's been my impression that Smith doesn't have the quick twitch and low center of gravity to block in traffic - he can basically act as a 6th OLman? Also my impression that Sweeney has a long way to go to develop as a blocker in the NFL? I could be wrong I’ll answer your question with another question? Do we really need a traditional lead blocking FB? I’d almost rather have Moss out there as the lead back 🤷🏾♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Is that for all IR, or just the covid-19 IR? I don't think they can do that after the cutdown? Just checked to be sure. All IR 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 9 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: I’ll answer your question with another question? Do we really need a traditional lead blocking FB? I’d almost rather have Moss out there as the lead back 🤷🏾♂️ On the lead blocking whatever need, that's one for Daboll. On Moss, though, if you want a 1-2 punch at RB you for sure don't want one of the guys to eat up body blows and wear and tear blocking for the other. 12 minutes ago, Doc said: If a player starts camp on the PUP list, he can be put on the regular season PUP list. Ah, OK, but just looked it up - then he can't come back for 6 weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: On the lead blocking whatever need, that's one for Daboll. On Moss, though, if you want a 1-2 punch at RB you for sure don't want one of the guys to eat up body blows and wear and tear blocking for the other. Certainly would add another dimension to our short yardage package. I’m not talking about Moss playing FB in all short yardage/goalline situations. I would like to see a lot of 2 back sets with Moss and Singletary though. I just don’t think a traditional FB is necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: No need for a FB with Smith and Sweeney. In general, I’m cool without one and having more of a single back offense. id rather see beasley or brown get a shot downfield in coverage late in important games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted September 4, 2020 Author Share Posted September 4, 2020 Interesting Interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 15 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Certainly would add another dimension to our short yardage package. I’m not talking about Moss playing FB in all short yardage/goalline situations. I would like to see a lot of 2 back sets with Moss and Singletary though. I just don’t think a traditional FB is necessary. Thing is, Daboll seems to roll that way 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziltoid Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, eball said: Somebody around here called this one...in a separate thread no less...wonder who? Me, in the WR/TE discussion. Bummer it is bad enough to shut DiMarco down. Warrior salute! Edited September 4, 2020 by BeerLeagueHockey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Thing is, Daboll seems to roll that way Yes, you are correct. So you think Gilliam makes it? He might be a better receiver than DiMarco and is reportedly solid on ST 🤷🏾♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: Yes, you are correct. So you think Gilliam makes it? He might be a better receiver than DiMarco and is reportedly solid on ST 🤷🏾♂️ I would have to give that one "insufficient data". I thought there were reports he was looking pretty good, but didn't McDermott say something about "he's got a long way to go" or something like that, recently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: I would have to give that one "insufficient data". I thought there were reports he was looking pretty good, but didn't McDermott say something about "he's got a long way to go" or something like that, recently? I think he said “he’s not ready.” We’ll see I guess. Might be someone on the market after tomorrow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziltoid Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I would have to give that one "insufficient data". I thought there were reports he was looking pretty good, but didn't McDermott say something about "he's got a long way to go" or something like that, recently? If he can play kickoff and punt coverage, he’ll make the 53. Probably won’t get any touches, if he does we’re in trouble anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 For the past 4 years I always heard how DiMarco was on the roster because of what he does on special teams. Can anyone confirm if was actually a good special teams player? It just seems odd that despite not being a good fullback during his time here he always hung around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 43 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: I’ll answer your question with another question? Do we really need a traditional lead blocking FB? I’d almost rather have Moss out there as the lead back 🤷🏾♂️ There is only one ball. So unless Moss is carrying it, he needs to be a better blocker than DiMarco to be an improvement, which is doubtful.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziltoid Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, Arkady Renko said: Nice. I was just thinking about Jamie Mueller, Larry Kinnebrew, Sam Gash, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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John from Riverside Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 45 minutes ago, vincec said: There is only one ball. So unless Moss is carrying it, he needs to be a better blocker than DiMarco to be an improvement, which is doubtful.. It also makes us much more predictable I would rather have an H back that is a threat to catch it AND can block Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: It also makes us much more predictable I would rather have an H back that is a threat to catch it AND can block Yea, it's a little shortsighted that a 2nd back's only value is blocking. The point is to neutralize a guy which could be accomplished in more ways than just blocking. You send Moss out to the flat on one side and Singletary to the other and there could be a lot of confusion. So maybe they're average blockers at best, but they have likely neutralized at least 1 guy who's covering them and possibly caused hesitation in others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: Yea, it's a little shortsighted that a 2nd back's only value is blocking. The point is to neutralize a guy which could be accomplished in more ways than just blocking. You send Moss out to the flat on one side and Singletary to the other and there could be a lot of confusion. So maybe they're average blockers at best, but they have likely neutralized at least 1 guy who's covering them and possibly caused hesitation in others. I think I'd rather just have a Gabriel Davis on the field. How many teams have a 4th corner who can match up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 28 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: It also makes us much more predictable I would rather have an H back that is a threat to catch it AND can block 23 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: Yea, it's a little shortsighted that a 2nd back's only value is blocking. The point is to neutralize a guy which could be accomplished in more ways than just blocking. You send Moss out to the flat on one side and Singletary to the other and there could be a lot of confusion. So maybe they're average blockers at best, but they have likely neutralized at least 1 guy who's covering them and possibly caused hesitation in others. This is what I was getting at. What a nightmare for defensive coordinators. 17 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: I think I'd rather just have a Gabriel Davis on the field. How many teams have a 4th corner who can match up? On 3rd and 1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Ah, OK, but just looked it up - then he can't come back for 6 weeks Yup. 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Interesting <br /> Smart move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 1 hour ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: I think I'd rather just have a Gabriel Davis on the field. How many teams have a 4th corner who can match up? Sure, either way you can have someone on the field who does more to neutralize a defender in some way than just a 'blocking back' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 4 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said: Dream is dead for Vosean Joseph. Resigning Milano and rolling with AJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 34 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: This is what I was getting at. What a nightmare for defensive coordinators. On 3rd and 1? For whatever reason we as fans love dreaming about 2 HBs on the field at the same time, like when we had Lynch and Jackson or Jackson and Spiller, and these conversations take place and then nothing comes of it. I can't think of an offense anywhere in the league that has used it to any great effect in the last 15-20 years. On 3rd & 1 Josh, Diggs and the one HB give you three different running options. Instead of a second HB I'd rather someone who makes us more dangerous on the ground with their blocking (Lee Smith, Kroft, Knox, a 6th OL) or who spreads the defense out (ie Beasley). A second halfback to some extent is wasting a man, seems to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 4 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Thank goodness. He just wasn’t worth a spot anymore. Speaking of not being worth a spot, they can’t seriously be going into another season with Bojorquez as punter? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 5 hours ago, H2o said: This also makes me wonder if at times our 2 RB sets are gonna have both Moss and Singletary on the field at the same time? That would be awesome..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: This is what I was getting at. What a nightmare for defensive coordinators. On 3rd and 1? 1 hour ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: For whatever reason we as fans love dreaming about 2 HBs on the field at the same time, like when we had Lynch and Jackson or Jackson and Spiller, and these conversations take place and then nothing comes of it. I can't think of an offense anywhere in the league that has used it to any great effect in the last 15-20 years. On 3rd & 1 Josh, Diggs and the one HB give you three different running options. Instead of a second HB I'd rather someone who makes us more dangerous on the ground with their blocking (Lee Smith, Kroft, Knox, a 6th OL) or who spreads the defense out (ie Beasley). A second halfback to some extent is wasting a man, seems to me. Exactly. If a two HB offense was good then you'd at least see a few teams trying it. It's really a relic from another era. And for the people talking about TEs/H-backs, keep in mind that the FB has better vision and better blocking angles than a TE or H-back, so they're generally more effective in the run game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marky Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 2 back sets in the NFL. Yuck. Throw the ball, get a completion. For Smith, there's a trick to stay on-sides. Just clinch your fist differently for each snap count. You condition yourself with reinforced cues, and no one can tell. When you're exhausted and beat up bad, your IQ plummets. Pre-snap routine is important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted September 5, 2020 Share Posted September 5, 2020 18 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Hmmm Good, now let's he receive injury settlement and is released. You don't win with these types of players on your roster, talent wins not high motor BS players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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