Milwaukee Bucks say they will forfeit playoff game tonight, then NBA postpones all games...

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, LB3 said:

1. He had a mask. There are videos.

 

2. He drove to stop rioters from burning down innocent businesses.

Why did he shoot multiple people with an AR 15?

[LB3]

1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Why did he shoot multiple people with an AR 15?

They attacked him. Did you not see it? Do you need me to post the before and after videos?

Edited August 27, 2020 by LB3

[JoPoy88]

Just now, LB3 said:

1. He had a mask. There are videos.

 

2. He drove to stop rioters from burning down innocent businesses.

You know (2) how? Oh, did you read his facebook manifesto? Belong to some of the same groups maybe? 
 

And he wasn’t wearing a mask while he was brandishing his gun down the street waving at people chief. I know, I know, “fake news” right?

[LB3]

Just now, JoPoy88 said:

You know (2) how? Oh, did you read his facebook manifesto? Belong to some of the same groups maybe? 
 

And he wasn’t wearing a mask while he was brandishing his gun down the street waving at people chief. I know, I know, “fake news” right?

He was wearing it when the unmasked head shot guy was telling the kid to shoot him. The head shot guy also kept using the n word a lot.

[JoPoy88]

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Why did he shoot multiple people with an AR 15?

Self defense Kirby obviously. A bottle landed in his general direction so he put one in someone’s head

[LB3]

Just now, JoPoy88 said:

Self defense Kirby obviously. A bottle landed in his general direction so he put one in someone’s head

I guess you haven't seen the videos. A low information supporter. I'm not surprised.

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, LB3 said:

They attacked him. Did you not see it? Do you need me to post the before and after videos?

I’ve been in confrontations before but I’ve never driven 30 minutes with an assault rifle to enter those conflicts. One would think that he was looking for trouble and not “good trouble.”

[Brennan Huff]

All I know is I would not want to be a cop in today’s society 

[NoSaint]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I posted this down in the dungeon. It is an interesting thread from an ex-army guy who is a LEO.



 

 

not to be rude but it’s not particularly interesting.

 

this one I have been slow to condemn as I haven’t had time to deep dive the nuance of it and still looks to be thin on facts so I don’t feel the need to rush 

 

but ultimately your thread comes down to this question:

 

are you comfortable with officers shooting to kill anytime they perceive that someone could be reaching towards a weapon?

 

think long and hard about whether in a nervous state or after a couple drinks you might clumsily reach to grab something proactively? While thinking about it, also consider that some people are a lot more likely to be considered a threat when making the same flub because of reasons other than their behavior.

 

wonder about whether a 35 year old white woman walking away from police is likely to be shot here, as opposed to the black man that just was. 

[Orlando Tim]

I am not asking this sarcastically but seriously about where the line is for a cop to shoot. It seems some on here think that unless the person is an immediate threat then they should not be shot with almost no exceptions. If this were to be the policy wouldn't the criminals know that cops can't shoot unless they have a weapon and just outrun cops? In California they know that they will not be pursued for less than $500 and petty theft jumped. I want less shootings from cops also but I don't think your policy is proper 

[LB3]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

I’ve been in confrontations before but I’ve never driven 30 minutes with an assault rifle to enter those conflicts. One would think that he was looking for trouble and not “good trouble.”

He was absolutely looking to do something. I'm guessing it didn't include killing someone. I would assume he thought the rifle would scare people. It didn't,  obviously.

 

"Protesters" travel great distances to "protest". Not just good "protest".

 

The 17 year old is masked up in the green. The head shot guy is dropping the n word asking to get shot.

 

NSFW

 

[NoSaint]

10 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

These guys are paid to play.  When they are refusing to play based on events happening that have NOTHING to do with the job they are being paid for...they are wrong and are not living up to the contract that they signed. 

and sometimes, call me crazy, but that’s ok.

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I am not asking this sarcastically but seriously about where the line is for a cop to shoot. It seems some on here think that unless the person is an immediate threat then they should not be shot with almost no exceptions. If this were to be the policy wouldn't the criminals know that cops can't shoot unless they have a weapon and just outrun cops? In California they know that they will not be pursued for less than $500 and petty theft jumped. I want less shootings from cops also but I don't think your policy is proper 

You think the police should be able to shoot someone because they can't run faster than him? 

[NoSaint]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I am not asking this sarcastically but seriously about where the line is for a cop to shoot. It seems some on here think that unless the person is an immediate threat then they should not be shot with almost no exceptions. If this were to be the policy wouldn't the criminals know that cops can't shoot unless they have a weapon and just outrun cops? In California they know that they will not be pursued for less than $500 and petty theft jumped. I want less shootings from cops also but I don't think your policy is proper 

yes. 
 

unless they are an immediate threat I do not believe they should be shot. I think there are very few if any exceptions. 
 

I accept that more may get away, and other crimes may be committed as a result. That does not change the opinion. 
 

do you think that simply running away should be cause to shoot?

[LB3]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

yes. 
 

unless they are an immediate threat I do not believe they should be shot. I think there are very few if any exceptions. 
 

I accept that more may get away, and other crimes may be committed as a result. That does not change the opinion. 
 

do you think that simply running away should be cause to shoot?

Bingo. Innocent people should be an afterthought to scumbag criminals. That's the disconnect.

[JoPoy88]

13 minutes ago, LB3 said:

I guess you haven't seen the videos. A low information supporter. I'm not surprised.

Ok then link them magaman. I’ve seen a number of videos but maybe the ones I saw weren’t hannity approved

[Logic]

I just wanted to say that it is so gross and sad and disappointing and nauseating and infuriating that so many people still don't recognize the very real problem of systemic racism in this country in general, and police brutality against people of color in particular.

Anyone who says it's not a real problem only has the luxury of feeling that way because they have the privilege of not having to confront it every time they leave the house. You don't see racism and police brutality as problems because you have the PRIVILEGE of ignoring the prevalence of them and the dangers they pose. It's that simple.

That's all. I'm honestly not interested in debating the existence of systemic racism and police brutality in our country, because I recognize that both are FACTS OF LIFE in America in 2020. There's no sense in debating the existence of something that is very clearly real.

It is so exhausting and so disheartening to see this stuff again and again and again, and to know that nothing is changing, that nothing is improving. It is so exhausting and so disheartening to see people explain away the violent and unlawful actions of the police simply because "the person they murdered deserved it because he was a petty criminal!". As if whatever crime the person committed entitles the police to murder them in cold blood. It is so exhausting and disheartening to see that the men who killed Breonna Taylor -- who was in her own home, asleep in her bed, committing no crimes -- are still policemen. It is so disheartening and exhausting to see people defend them, defend other murderous police officers, defend vigilante lunatics with guns and LARP costumes and justice fantasies. It is so disheartening and exhausting to see so many people be more upset that they don't get to watch their precious sports game than they are that people of color keep getting murdered by armed agents of the state with impunity.

I'm this exhausted and this disheartened, and I'm only a spectator. I'm not a person of color, living this truth and this danger every day of my life. Imagine how exhausting and disheartening and terrifying it must be for THEM?

My heart hurts, seeing this stuff again and again. I don't know what else to say. We can do better. We can be better. If not now, when?
 

[LB3]

Just now, JoPoy88 said:

Ok then link them magaman. I’ve seen a number of videos but maybe the ones I saw weren’t hannity approved

☝️

[NoSaint]

1 minute ago, LB3 said:

Bingo. Innocent people should be an afterthought to scumbag criminals. That's the disconnect.

If that’s your takeaway to saying we shouldn’t shoot people for running away than I’ll echo previous sentiments that you are a bad person. And I’ll consider that being nice to you based on what I really think of responses like that.

[JoPoy88]

15 minutes ago, LB3 said:

I guess you haven't seen the videos. A low information supporter. I'm not surprised.

Supporter of what? Not getting shot by a cowardly little brainwashed white kid? Yes I am a supporter of that. “Low information” allegations coming from a card carrying smooth brained chud who thinks all news is fake. Irony man.

[LB3]

Just now, NoSaint said:

If that’s your takeaway to saying we shouldn’t shoot people for running away than I’ll echo previous sentiments that you are a bad person. And I’ll consider that being nice to you based on what I really think of responses like that.

You're ok letting criminals being let go to harm innocent people. I'm very comfortable knowing you're an awful person.

1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said:

Supporter of what? Not getting shot by a cowardly little brainwashed white kid? Yes I am a supporter of that. “Low information” allegations coming from a card carrying smooth brained chud who thinks all news is fake. Irony man.

I'm glad you had time to regroup and respond to my same post a second time. The kid is defending the rights of innocent business owners. I get that you love rioting, but let's at least be honest.

 

I posted a video of the beginning. If you click on it, you'll see it through the final confrontation.

[LB3]

Back on topic. The players are all posing cowards if they don't cancel the entire season. It will be interesting to see what my second favorite player (AI #1 forever) ever LeBron will do. Does he want another title enough to ignore this? Does he have the courage of his convictions?

[ChasBB]

Jacob Blake had a knife in his hand ALREADY and was going for a gun in vehicle.  Only wonder is why he wasn't shot even sooner.  Sorry, not honoring these ***** ****heads like Blake and Floyd.  An aside - looters should be shot on sight, too.

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, ChasBB said:

Jacob Blake had a knife in his hand ALREADY and was going for a gun in vehicle.  Only wonder is why he wasn't shot even sooner.  Sorry, not honoring these ***** ****heads like Blake and Floyd.  An aside - looters should be shot on sight, too.

Why stop there? Let’s kill jaywalkers and people who don’t return shopping carts too.

[JoPoy88]

6 minutes ago, LB3 said:

 

I'm glad you had time to regroup and respond to my same post a second time. The kid is defending the rights of innocent business owners. I get that you love rioting, but let's at least be honest.

 

I posted a video of the beginning. If you click on it, you'll see it through the final confrontation.

did the kid own property down there? Did his parents? So no, not his job. He’s not batman. The property owners can protect their own. If not, it is the cops’ job to protect that property. If the cops can’t do it, then the national guard comes in and does it. Period. I don’t know what system of vigilantism you think exists in this country but you’re ridiculous.

3 minutes ago, ChasBB said:

Jacob Blake had a knife in his hand ALREADY and was going for a gun in vehicle.  Only wonder is why he wasn't shot even sooner.  Sorry, not honoring these ***** ****heads like Blake and Floyd.  An aside - looters should be shot on sight, too.

found LB3’s alt account

[LB3]

1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:

Why stop there? Let’s kill jaywalkers and people who don’t return shopping carts too.

I hate cigarette smoke. Let's add them. They have to take down their masks to smoke anyways. Two birds! 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

2 hours ago, LB3 said:

It's all on video.

The video doesn’t excuse it, but it does add that pesky “shadow of a doubt “

[Doc Brown]

This could very well happen in the NFL too.  I don't know how the CBA accounts for a situation like this.

[Kirby Jackson]

11 minutes ago, Logic said:

I just wanted to say that it is so gross and sad and disappointing and nauseating and infuriating that so many people still don't recognize the very real problem of systemic racism in this country in general, and police brutality against people of color in particular.

Anyone who says it's not a real problem only has the luxury of feeling that way because they have the privilege of not having to confront it every time they leave the house. You don't see racism and police brutality as problems because you have the PRIVILEGE of ignoring the prevalence of them and the dangers they pose. It's that simple.

That's all. I'm honestly not interested in debating the existence of systemic racism and police brutality in our country, because I recognize that both are FACTS OF LIFE in America in 2020. There's no sense in debating the existence of something that is very clearly real.

It is so exhausting and so disheartening to see this stuff again and again and again, and to know that nothing is changing, that nothing is improving. It is so exhausting and so disheartening to see people explain away the violent and unlawful actions of the police simply because "the person they murdered deserved it because he was a petty criminal!". As if whatever crime the person committed entitles the police to murder them in cold blood. It is so exhausting and disheartening to see that the men who killed Breonna Taylor -- who was in her own home, asleep in her bed, committing no crimes -- are still policemen. It is so disheartening and exhausting to see people defend them, defend other murderous police officers, defend vigilante lunatics with guns and LARP costumes and justice fantasies. It is so disheartening and exhausting to see so many people be more upset that they don't get to watch their precious sports game than they are that people of color keep getting murdered by armed agents of the state with impunity.

I'm this exhausted and this disheartened, and I'm only a spectator. I'm not a person of color, living this truth and this danger every day of my life. Imagine how exhausting and disheartening and terrifying it must be for THEM?

My heart hurts, seeing this stuff again and again. I don't know what else to say. We can do better. We can be better. If not now, when?
 

I heard a story earlier this offseason and it was from a coach who was black. It may have been a Bills coach or an NBA guy or something. I don’t remember who it was. Obviously though he’s making a few hundred thousand dollars a year. He lives in a complex of sorts. He was talking about when he goes to throw his garbage at night he has to make sure that he doesn’t have a hoodie on to avoid getting harassed by cops/neighbors. That kind of blew my mind. That would never even cross my mind. My parents never told me how to react if I get pulled over, where to keep my hands, etc... That’s not a world that I’ve ever lived in. 

[LB3]

9 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

did the kid own property down there? Did his parents? So no, not his job. He’s not batman. The property owners can protect their own. If not, it is the cops’ job to protect that property. If the cops can’t do it, then the national guard comes in and does it. Period. I don’t know what system of vigilantism you think exists in this country but you’re ridiculous.

found LB3’s alt account

We all saw what happened to the business owner who protected his own business without a gun. Hopefully he doesn't have brain damage.

 

Edit: I don't have an alt account. There are other decent people who don't condone crime in America. Who knew.

Edited August 27, 2020 by LB3

[NoSaint]

4 minutes ago, ChasBB said:

Jacob Blake had a knife in his hand ALREADY and was going for a gun in vehicle.  Only wonder is why he wasn't shot even sooner.  Sorry, not honoring these ***** ****heads like Blake and Floyd.  An aside - looters should be shot on sight, too.

no one is exalting Floyd or Blake 

 

neither seem like great guys.

 

that doesn’t mean there’s a free pass on anything anyone does to them. 

[Orlando Tim]

15 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

You think the police should be able to shoot someone because they can't run faster than him? 

 

14 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

yes. 
 

unless they are an immediate threat I do not believe they should be shot. I think there are very few if any exceptions. 
 

I accept that more may get away, and other crimes may be committed as a result. That does not change the opinion. 
 

do you think that simply running away should be cause to shoot?

Stating a guy with warrants for domestic abuse and sexual assault is the same as someone just running from cops is dishonest. NoSaint you and I disagree but I respect your willingness to deal with repurcussions. I disagree because the worst people will never listen to cops in that situation and the decent folks will be most inconvenienced. 

[716er]

19 minutes ago, Logic said:

I just wanted to say that it is so gross and sad and disappointing and nauseating and infuriating that so many people still don't recognize the very real problem of systemic racism in this country in general, and police brutality against people of color in particular.

Anyone who says it's not a real problem only has the luxury of feeling that way because they have the privilege of not having to confront it every time they leave the house. You don't see racism and police brutality as problems because you have the PRIVILEGE of ignoring the prevalence of them and the dangers they pose. It's that simple.

That's all. I'm honestly not interested in debating the existence of systemic racism and police brutality in our country, because I recognize that both are FACTS OF LIFE in America in 2020. There's no sense in debating the existence of something that is very clearly real.

It is so exhausting and so disheartening to see this stuff again and again and again, and to know that nothing is changing, that nothing is improving. It is so exhausting and so disheartening to see people explain away the violent and unlawful actions of the police simply because "the person they murdered deserved it because he was a petty criminal!". As if whatever crime the person committed entitles the police to murder them in cold blood. It is so exhausting and disheartening to see that the men who killed Breonna Taylor -- who was in her own home, asleep in her bed, committing no crimes -- are still policemen. It is so disheartening and exhausting to see people defend them, defend other murderous police officers, defend vigilante lunatics with guns and LARP costumes and justice fantasies. It is so disheartening and exhausting to see so many people be more upset that they don't get to watch their precious sports game than they are that people of color keep getting murdered by armed agents of the state with impunity.

I'm this exhausted and this disheartened, and I'm only a spectator. I'm not a person of color, living this truth and this danger every day of my life. Imagine how exhausting and disheartening and terrifying it must be for THEM?

My heart hurts, seeing this stuff again and again. I don't know what else to say. We can do better. We can be better. If not now, when?
 

 

Amen. I can't believe this thread.

[LB3]

@JoPoy88

This guy should have had a gun.

 

 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Reentering a vehicle isn’t usually punishable by death. 
 

 

When dealing with law enforcement in a tense situation such as this, it certainly has the potential to be 

[HappyDays]

8 minutes ago, ChasBB said:

Sorry, not honoring these ***** ****heads like Blake and Floyd.

 

Floyd was a drug addict. There is zero room for leniency in what the police did to him. It's disgusting to lump him in with Blake. Have you ever been close to anyone who was a drug addict? If so you wouldn't put out garbage like this. He was flat out murdered.

 

Blake there is more of a gray area. I wish the police had done something before he got to the car but once he got there and was reaching in I don't know what they were supposed to do. There's a real police training video of a man reaching into a car and pulling out a rifle and shooting the police officer. I don't expect any police officer to gamble their life.

[Orlando Tim]

4 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

no one is exalting Floyd or Blake 

 

neither seem like great guys.

 

that doesn’t mean there’s a free pass on anything anyone does to them. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/who-was-george-floyd-the-gentle-giant-who-loved-his-hugs-11997206

 

Plenty of people were exalting George Floyd, which does not exonerate cops, but this was first headline I found 

[GoBills808]

Just now, Buffalo Timmy said:

 

Stating a guy with warrants for domestic abuse and sexual assault is the same as someone just running from cops is dishonest. NoSaint you and I disagree but I respect your willingness to deal with repurcussions. I disagree because the worst people will never listen to cops in that situation and the decent folks will be most inconvenienced. 

ok

[eball]

2 hours ago, aristocrat said:

ok. Guy also had a knife and he reached into the car after being tased and fighting with the cops and the cops did not know what he had in there so they shot.

 

a female was sexually assaulted by this guy a month ago and he violated a protective order. Here’s what should be learned from this. Don’t sexually assault women. He never would have had a run in with the police. 

Yeah, a guy who might have a knife is a deadly threat to two or three cops with guns. That sounds reasonable. 

[NoSaint]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

 

Stating a guy with warrants for domestic abuse and sexual assault is the same as someone just running from cops is dishonest. NoSaint you and I disagree but I respect your willingness to deal with repurcussions. I disagree because the worst people will never listen to cops in that situation and the decent folks will be most inconvenienced. 

to be fair, you kind of changed the goal line a bit

bringing it back to solely this case, from your earlier post that implied a general running from police. It might have been unintentional but each of us responded reading it as a broad statement.