eball Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I was raised a god-fearing man Sometimes the smart thing to do is just shut up and listen. This isn’t about you, and you know what else? Racists cloak themself in Christ all the time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Well maybe cape cod is just a racist area. That could be true And I have never made any ethnicity feel unwelcome. Not even subconsciously.. my nickname was smiles growing up. I literally greet everybody with a big smile and a how is your day going and I've never had a problem with anybody I treat people how I want to be treated since I was a child I was raised a god-fearing man Sounds good. I hope you're the one in a million. But when black people get together and talk about white people, you know what makes them laugh? They think it's funny when a white person tells them "I don't see color." You know why they laugh? They laugh because "I don't see color" makes the white guy feel good about himself, and the black folks know that is almost never true. As I said, I hope you're the one in a million. But if you think the problem is a tiny, tiny minority of people, you need to open your eyes. None of the people on Cape Cod, or very, very few, are in that tiny minority. The overwhelming majority are well-meaning people who say things like "I don't see color." And you know what? They don't see color because there are no black people there. How convenient. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, eball said: Ok, once and for all — clearly the cops did not witness Ed speeding, driving erratically, or changing lanes improperly, because if they did Ed would have been charged (ticketed) with speeding or reckless driving. Cops may not charge (ticket) a driver based upon hearsay. We clear? Yeah, that's clear. But you are claiming they can't pull him over based on a 9-1-1 complaint/report. Clearly they can. Edited July 22, 2020 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, K-9 said: That’s why I think we are turning the corner a bit. We are starting to realize it’s not good enough to simply be “not racist.” We all need to be ANTI racist; no quarter given. A message that more people are starting to hear and take seriously. Thankfully. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: tell the lawyer... I’m just the messenger. Those extra sig figs really emphasize the point though. Thumbs up for seeing the term "sig figs" used. Blast to the past, for sure. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Sounds good. I hope you're the one in a million. But when black people get together and talk about white people, you know what makes them laugh? They think it's funny when a white person tells them "I don't see color." You know why they laugh? They laugh because "I don't see color" makes the white guy feel good about himself, and the black folks know that is almost never true. As I said, I hope you're the one in a million. But if you think the problem is a tiny, tiny minority of people, you need to open your eyes. None of the people on Cape Cod, or very, very few, are in that tiny minority. The overwhelming majority are well-meaning people who say things like "I don't see color." And you know what? They don't see color because there are no black people there. How convenient. People saying I don't see color is a convenient way of making yourself sound good definitely I think people of every ethnicity can see right through the phony ones who are just saying it to look good Actions speak louder than words. And I doubt any black person's laughing at me, because I've had tons of actions that show I love my black Brothers and Asian brothers etc Edited July 22, 2020 by Buffalo716 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Yeah, that's clear. But you are claiming they can't pull him over based on a 9-1-1 complaint/report. Clearly they can. So maybe they can, but to do what? Tell him they heard that someone said he was driving poorly? In what world does that make any sense or is a good use of an officer’s time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, eball said: Sometimes the smart thing to do is just shut up and listen. This isn’t about you, and you know what else? Racists cloak themself in Christ all the time. And you know who else does? actual loving people Actions speak louder than words, and I've had tons of actions through my life that show how I'm about people coming together Everybody who knows me would validate. Saying shut up and listen never gets your point across because irrrational people just double down Edited July 22, 2020 by Buffalo716 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Well maybe cape cod is just a racist area. That could be true And I have never made any ethnicity feel unwelcome. Not even subconsciously.. my nickname was smiles growing up. I literally greet everybody with a big smile and a how is your day going and I've never had a problem with anybody I treat people how I want to be treated since I was a child I was raised a god-fearing man I'm on the same page as Shaw66, but for me old-school racism, as I think you're referring to, is a big minority. New-school racism, which for me includes also prejudice and discrimination is very much alive and well. While I used to think those weren't as big a deal, it's clear from reading honest feedback post George Floyd that those small indignities add up to a big problem for most African Americans and other minorities. So, as a white majority-type person, I can either stick to my ideas or listen to the people most affected and do better. It's time to stop passing it off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Sounds good. I hope you're the one in a million. But when black people get together and talk about white people, you know what makes them laugh? They think it's funny when a white person tells them "I don't see color." You know why they laugh? They laugh because "I don't see color" makes the white guy feel good about himself, and the black folks know that is almost never true. As I said, I hope you're the one in a million. But if you think the problem is a tiny, tiny minority of people, you need to open your eyes. None of the people on Cape Cod, or very, very few, are in that tiny minority. The overwhelming majority are well-meaning people who say things like "I don't see color." And you know what? They don't see color because there are no black people there. How convenient. I mean it's seriously just a thing that's there you might not notice it but it's there. One time when I was a kid my family went to Illinois for a job interview my dad was having. We stopped at a McDonalds in St. Louis on the way there or back I don't remember which. But I noticed something that was surreal to me and that was that everyone else there was black. I got told/shushed when I tried to bring it up in the restaurant because my mom thought it'd come off wrong, only explaining later in the car that the population there was more heavily black. Only ever living in Kansas and Northwest Missouri it just wasn't something I'd ever been exposed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Just now, Buffalo716 said: And you know who else does? actual loving people Actions speak louder than words, and I've had tons of actions through my life that show how I'm about people coming together Everybody who knows me would validate. Saying shut up and listen never get your point across I’ll go Shaw’s route and say I hope you’re the one in a million who is just naive to the reality of the situation and treat everyone wonderfully. If so, good for you. Sometimes ignorance is truly bliss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 23 minutes ago, Bss said: Players arrested for a DUI True. But Ed wasn't DUI of anything. 20 minutes ago, eball said: Stop being an ass; you know exactly what my point is. The post I quoted said the deputy WITNESSED erratic lane changes and trailed Ed at excessive speed, both of which are absolutely sufficient to bring charges. Yup. Why not include them? Was there even an open container? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, eball said: So maybe they can, but to do what? Tell him they heard that someone said he was driving poorly? In what world does that make any sense or is a good use of an officer’s time? Maybe? lol How is this hard for you? Someone reports someone speeding in a safety zone and swerving in the lane....and you expect the 9-1-1 dispatcher to say "well, what do you want us to do about it?" They find the vehicle fitting the description, pull it over, "license and registration, do you know why I pulled you over?, have you been drinking today?" Same routine every day everywhere. In what part of this country does it not work like this? I can't tell if you're serious or not with this. Edited July 22, 2020 by Mr. WEO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, eball said: I’ll go Shaw’s route and say I hope you’re the one in a million who is just naive to the reality of the situation and treat everyone wonderfully. If so, good for you. Sometimes ignorance is truly bliss. I don't think I'm ignorant to some of the bad people in this country. I just know there are a lot more good than bad And yes I have no reason to lie about my character on this forum. Everything I said about loving and treating everybody the same is how I've lived my whole life Edited July 22, 2020 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Nice corrupt county let me tell you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Ed, that FST was a bit rough, brother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 20 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Let's refocus you on your original point above (bolded). The answer is, obviously, "of course", because that's how it works all the time. So why are you asking as if you didn't know this? lol, ok. Got me there! But actually most are civil charges. it's "zero point zero"! Um, considering many states have a legal breathalyzer limit of 0.08, "zero point zero" doesn't really mean anything in this instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Just now, Mr. WEO said: Ed, that FST was a bit rough, brother! Not for him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 minute ago, GaryPinC said: Um, considering many states have a legal breathalyzer limit of 0.08, "zero point zero" doesn't really mean anything in this instance. lol nevermind 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Reparations...??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 14 minutes ago, GaryPinC said: I'm on the same page as Shaw66, but for me old-school racism, as I think you're referring to, is a big minority. New-school racism, which for me includes also prejudice and discrimination is very much alive and well. While I used to think those weren't as big a deal, it's clear from reading honest feedback post George Floyd that those small indignities add up to a big problem for most African Americans and other minorities. So, as a white majority-type person, I can either stick to my ideas or listen to the people most affected and do better. It's time to stop passing it off. I've met more racist Asians and Indians than white people in my life and I'm being honest I think it's how you're raised, and the environment which you're raised in Racism needs to end, but to say that it's a white only thing is Ludicrous because it happens all over the world My grandfather fled Nazi Germany, I understand hatred Edited July 22, 2020 by Buffalo716 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Doc said: Not for him... gets a little dicey at 00:20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Joe Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 54 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: hell no...do not chill..scream to the mountaintops this was wrong!!!!! He did not "handle this well."..he was freaking railroaded from the start. Have you missed the last two months under a rock somewhere? Uh no, I'm not the Geico guy living under the rock. I said the same thing when Antonio Callaway. got pulled over, No need to escalate the situation. I've been pulled over a couple times on HWY 101 as it is a money making operation for the police. Met a couple officers I did not like as well. I could tell you stories about Officer Mueller (his real name!). I was trying to keep this apolitical and don't think Ed needs to come to Portland and start protesting after midnight. I wish him well. PS Now if the 5''8" cops last name is Edelman that is another thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 You know it's the offseason when Bills fans spend seven pages bickering with each other about traffic violations in the face of some of the best news this team has had in a while. I'm begging you, NFL. Do NOT delay or cancel the season. I'll wear a mask while I watch the game at home if you want, but please...let's get some football so Bills fans can spend seven pages bickering with each other about important stuff...like why Josh Allen hasn't had a 300-yard game yet...or why the Bills don't deserve their current place in the latest power rankings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Maybe? lol How is this hard for you? Someone reports someone speeding in a safety zone and swerving in the lane....and you expect the 9-1-1 dispatcher to say "well, what do you want us to do about it?" They find the vehicle fitting the description, pull it over, "license and registration, do you know why I pulled you over?, have you been drinking today?" Same routine every day everywhere. In what part of this country does it not work like this? I can't tell if you're serious or not with this. I don’t believe an anonymous 911 call qualifies as probable cause for a traffic stop. If you can show me it does, please provide that reference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: I've met more racist Asians and Indians than white people in my life and I'm being honest I think it's how you're raised, and the environment which you're raised in LOL, I too know it's not just whites. And let's not get started about how wrong white males are. But sometimes it's best to shut up and lead by example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 minute ago, eball said: I don’t believe an anonymous 911 call qualifies as probable cause for a traffic stop. If you can show me it does, please provide that reference. I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: gets a little dicey at 00:20 Then knocked it out of the park @ 00:40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, GaryPinC said: Um, considering many states have a legal breathalyzer limit of 0.08, "zero point zero" doesn't really mean anything in this instance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: gets a little dicey at 00:20 For all the armchair DUI officers? As well as the real ones? Yup. 5 minutes ago, eball said: I don’t believe an anonymous 911 call qualifies as probable cause for a traffic stop. If you can show me it does, please provide that reference. Come on. Don't you call 911 to report every person who speeds and swerves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 minute ago, eball said: I don’t believe an anonymous 911 call qualifies as probable cause for a traffic stop. If you can show me it does, please provide that reference. Do you really believe that a 9-1-1 call reporting a possible crime is not grounds for police investigation?? That's pretty wild! Anyway, it's not only overwhelmingly obvious, it's settled law. USSC: Navarette vs California:It stated that the “totality of the circumstances” provided reasonable suspicion to the officer to make the traffic stop. The opinion described the caller as being reliable because it was an eye witness account. There was also a short time between the reported incident and the 911 call, suggesting the caller “had little time to fabricate the report.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 28 minutes ago, eball said: Sometimes the smart thing to do is just shut up and listen. This isn’t about you, and you know what else? Racists cloak themself in Christ all the time. It's hard to have a "conversation" when only one side is talking. People need to say what's on their minds so that everyone can understand each other better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: "The charges against Ed Oliver.... Who was it that posted here about police in that area having a past pattern of stopping people for nothing? Might just be that person should step up and take a bow. You are welcome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Just now, BUFFALOBART said: ...Bet that it still cost Oliver a chunk of change to make this go away. The 'don't be stupid' lesson that comes out of this, should be valuable to Oliver, going forward. Doubtful at best. Otherwise no player would ever get charged with DUI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, Doc said: For all the armchair DUI officers? As well as the real ones? Yup. Come on. Don't you call 911 to report every person who speeds and swerves? Wrong again doc! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I've met more racist Asians and Indians than white people in my life and I'm being honest I think it's how you're raised, and the environment which you're raised in Racism needs to end, but to say that it's a white only thing is Ludicrous because it happens all over the world My grandfather fled Nazi Germany, I understand hatred I agree with your larger point, but in terms of our country’s legacy, it’s a “whites only” thing. As a white man, I just can’t get on board with any kind of equivalency in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: Wrong again doc! "Wrong again"? LOL! Seeing you twist yourself in a pretzel never gets old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, K-9 said: Thank you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, BUFFALOBART said: ...Bet that it still cost Oliver a chunk of change to make this go away. The 'don't be stupid' lesson that comes out of this, should be valuable to Oliver, going forward. Are you saying Oliver paid to have the blood tests, ordered by the District Attorney, come back negative? Wonder how he swung that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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