eball Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: My point is it is a very distinct minority that are vocally racist, across all ethnicities How prevalent are the non-vocal racists? You really don’t get it, man. Most racists will swear to your face they aren’t racist, and they believe it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 17 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: Sure that's a problem But it is totally a minority of people that do that. Race relations are going crazy in this country, because people think everybody is racist When it is literally a tiny tiny tiny majority. If you don't agree with somebody you get call a racist now For having a different opinion Tiny, tiny, tiny majority? How’s that possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Just now, eball said: How prevalent are the non-vocal racists? You really don’t get it, man. Most racists will swear to your face they aren’t racist, and they believe it. I'm not sure, Actually the racists I have encountered are very open about it they don't hide it And that's just my honest experience Just now, K-9 said: Tiny, tiny, tiny majority? How’s that possible? Obviously minority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I'm not sure, Actually the racists I have encountered are very open about it they don't hide it And that's just my honest experience Obviously minority Thanks for the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 15 minutes ago, GaryPinC said: According to some reports someone phoned in that EO was switching lanes erratically. A deputy spotted the vehicle and was trailing doing 80 in a 45 and observed him passing in a no passing zone. If this were true, Ed would have been charged (at a minimum) with speeding, and probably reckless driving. Which means it’s not true. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, eball said: Is it standard protocol for cops to pull over drivers for suspected speeding based upon a 911 call when the officers themselves witness no probable cause? Not for suspected speeding, no. It was for reported erratic driving. Cops can have cause to respond without initially witnessing a reported act. That's the basis of 9-1-1, isn't it? I think you knew that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: One of the difficulties in addressing systemic racism is that well-intentioned folk don't understand that referring to a vocal minority is simply a red herring. I'm not trying to mislead or distract anybody. There are more good people white black Asian Indian then there are bad. The vocal minority should not get more press than the majority The majority needs to stand together 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Just now, eball said: If this were true, Ed would have been charged (at a minimum) with speeding, and probably reckless driving. Which means it’s not true. Are you saying there was no 9-1-1 call? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Just now, Mr. WEO said: Are you saying there was no 9-1-1 call? I’m saying clearly no deputy witnessed this or “trailed” Ed at those speeds. If he did, then he’s a pretty ***** cop since there were no speeding or reckless driving charges. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 22 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Iirc, in the past players have been punished even though legal charges were dropped, again I may be wrong/ confused on this. Yes they have but I’m not sure what he would be disciplined for, in this case 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, K-9 said: Thanks for the clarification. This is such a touchy subject that civil conversation is the only way to move forward Ad hominem attacks, name-calling and such only throws us further back and it seems like only the people who scream the loudest get heard Unfortunately most of the good people in this country are not vocal, maybe it's time for that to change 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Yes they have but I’m not sure what he would be disciplined for, in this case I hear ya, but ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 He made it from Houston to OP without incident. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I'm not trying to mislead or distract anybody. There are more good people white black Asian Indian then there are bad. The vocal minority should not get more press than the majority The majority needs to stand together I love your optimism, but semi-concerned about being in denial. I agree that "good" majority needs to stand together and squelch that bad minority of racists. I think that's what we're seeing across the country the last few months. Just now, Buffalo716 said: Unfortunately most of the good people in this country are not vocal, maybe it's time for that to change Again, I think we're seeing that happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I'm not trying to mislead or distract anybody. There are more good people white black Asian Indian then there are bad. The vocal minority should not get more press than the majority The majority needs to stand together You’re not trying to mislead or distract, you’re doing what the “majority” have done for too long — you want everyone to look the other way and say “mistakes happen — most people are good.” That’s no longer good enough. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bss Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 50 minutes ago, Doc said: Usually what would be a 4 game suspension? Players arrested for a DUI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, eball said: I’m saying clearly no deputy witnessed this or “trailed” Ed at those speeds. If he did, then he’s a pretty ***** cop since there were no speeding or reckless driving charges. They can't charge someone for speeding unless they clock him or document speeding or reckless driving. They can't charge him because someone said he was speeding. It was the cause for pulling him over. If I call 9-1-1 on you for speeding and reckless driving and cops subsequently find you at a red light--they can't charge you for those things. It would be the premise for the stop though. Pretty simple. You understand this so what is your point? 5 minutes ago, eball said: I’m saying clearly no deputy witnessed this or “trailed” Ed at those speeds. If he did, then he’s a pretty ***** cop since there were no speeding or reckless driving charges. No one is claiming that they did. Edited July 22, 2020 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: I love your optimism, but semi-concerned about being in denial. I agree that "good" majority needs to stand together and squelch that bad minority of racists. I think that's what we're seeing across the country the last few months. Again, I think we're seeing that happen. I was truly raised to never see color. I've had friends of every single ethnicity and I've only judged on the content of character I've seen my father give out food to poor and homeless, and give money to the poor and homeless Maybe it is a disservice, because I truly believe everybody is good like that, even though I know there are scumbags 2 minutes ago, eball said: You’re not trying to mislead or distract, you’re doing what the “majority” have done for too long — you want everyone to look the other way and say “mistakes happen — most people are good.” That’s no longer good enough. I don't think I said that eball Read the post right under that, I said maybe it's time for the non vocal majority to become more vocal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Just now, Mr. WEO said: They can't charge someone for speeding unless they clock him or document speeding or reckless driving. They can't charge him because someone said he was speeding. It was the cause for pulling him over. If I call 9-1-1 on you for speeding and reckless driving and cops subsequently find you at a red light--they can't charge you for those things. You understand this so what is your point? Stop being an ass; you know exactly what my point is. The post I quoted said the deputy WITNESSED erratic lane changes and trailed Ed at excessive speed, both of which are absolutely sufficient to bring charges. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Good for you Ed. Now grow up and either stop drinking while driving or hire yourself a driver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Just now, eball said: Stop being an ass; you know exactly what my point is. The post I quoted said the deputy WITNESSED erratic lane changes and trailed Ed at excessive speed, both of which are absolutely sufficient to bring charges. Tickets maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Just now, oldmanfan said: Good for you Ed. Now grow up and either stop drinking while driving or hire yourself a driver. This literally proved he didnt do that. WTF? 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: Obviously minority I thought so, and that is exactly the point. A majority of white people in the country have a problem with race. Only a small minority is outwardly racist. Look, all I can tell you is that I've discovered, as have many other white people discovered lately, that the way you're thinking about this is the way I thought about it until a few weeks ago. Then the light went on. So I understand what you think you know, and I understand why you vehemently disagree when I tell you that you're missing the point. All I'm telling you is that the reality that is so obvious to you, the reality you're so sure you're right about, actually isn't the reality at all. I believed in your reality until a few weeks ago. Let me give you an example. I don't know where you live. I live in New England. Cape Cod is a famous, very popular vacation area. It's an hour or so from Boston. Lots of beaches, bars, restaurants, hotels. Jam packed with people every summer, including this summer. There are practically no black vacationers on Cape Cod. There are black people cleaning hotel rooms, cutting lawns, and washing dishes, but there are pretty much no black vacationers. Why not? There are no laws keeping blacks out. It's not cheap to go there, but there are plenty of well-paid black people in New England who could comfortably afford a nice Cape Cod vacation. There's no KKK. Most of the white people who are on the Cape say what you say - that it's a tiny, tiny, tiny minority of the people who cause the problem. Well, if that's true, and there essentially none of those people in New England, why are there no blacks on Cape Cod? The answer is that they don't feel welcome. Why don't they feel welcome? Because the white people on Cape Cod don't make them feel welcome, that's why. Now multiply that across the country. There are millions and millions of people who combine, most of them completely unwittingly, to make blacks feel unwelcome. We all do it. We don't do it to Italians, we do it less to Asians than to blacks. We just do it. It's a problem pretty much all of us have, including me. I've gone to Cape Cod for years, and it was only this summer that I noticed for the first time that there are no black people there. It's like there is an invisible "No Blacks" sign before you cross the bridge. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Hey Ed....I was listening for the other shoe to fall, it never fell,. Thank you for being an outstanding young man. This incident brings you a .ot of credibility and boasts BLM position as well. Now go beat the sh!! out of a qb. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Tickets maybe. “I think you know” that traffic tickets are criminal charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: he got charged with DWB... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Good for you Ed. Now grow up and either stop drinking while driving or hire yourself a driver. I know people are looking for attention right now but wtf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Good for you Ed. Now grow up and either stop drinking while driving or hire yourself a driver. 0.000 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, eball said: So you think it’s ok for cops to pull someone over when THE COPS HAVEN'T WITNESSED ANYTHING, just on the basis of a phone call about alleged speeding? When does that EVER happen to a white person? Let's refocus you on your original point above (bolded). The answer is, obviously, "of course", because that's how it works all the time. So why are you asking as if you didn't know this? 5 minutes ago, eball said: “I think you know” that traffic tickets are criminal charges. lol, ok. Got me there! But actually most are civil charges. 2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: 0.000 it's "zero point zero"! Edited July 22, 2020 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Good to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllenHasBigHands Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Let's refocus you on your original point above (bolded). The answer is, obviously, "of course", because that's how it works all the time. So why are you asking as if you didn't know this? lol, ok. Got me there! it's "zero point zero"! The answer isn't just "yes." The answer is "obviously, yes." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: I thought so, and that is exactly the point. A majority of white people in the country have a problem with race. Only a small minority is outwardly racist. Look, all I can tell you is that I've discovered, as have many other white people discovered lately, that the way you're thinking about this is the way I thought about it until a few weeks ago. Then the light went on. So I understand what you think you know, and I understand why you vehemently disagree when I tell you that you're missing the point. All I'm telling you is that the reality that is so obvious to you, the reality you're so sure you're right about, actually isn't the reality at all. I believed in your reality until a few weeks ago. Let me give you an example. I don't know where you live. I live in New England. Cape Cod is a famous, very popular vacation area. It's an hour or so from Boston. Lots of beaches, bars, restaurants, hotels. Jam packed with people every summer, including this summer. There are practically no black vacationers on Cape Cod. There are black people cleaning hotel rooms, cutting lawns, and washing dishes, but there are pretty much no black vacationers. Why not? There are no laws keeping blacks out. It's not cheap to go there, but there are plenty of well-paid black people in New England who could comfortably afford a nice Cape Cod vacation. There's no KKK. Most of the white people who are on the Cape say what you say - that it's a tiny, tiny, tiny minority of the people who cause the problem. Well, if that's true, and there essentially none of those people in New England, why are there no blacks on Cape Cod? The answer is that they don't feel welcome. Why don't they feel welcome? Because the white people on Cape Cod don't make them feel welcome, that's why. Now multiply that across the country. There are millions and millions of people who combine, most of them completely unwittingly, to make blacks feel unwelcome. We all do it. We don't do it to Italians, we do it less to Asians than to blacks. We just do it. It's a problem pretty much all of us have, including me. I've gone to Cape Cod for years, and it was only this summer that I noticed for the first time that there are no black people there. It's like there is an invisible "No Blacks" sign before you cross the bridge. Well maybe cape cod is just a racist area. That could be true And I have never made any ethnicity feel unwelcome. Not even subconsciously.. my nickname was smiles growing up. I literally greet everybody with a big smile and a how is your day going and I've never had a problem with anybody I treat people how I want to be treated since I was a child I was raised a god-fearing man Edited July 22, 2020 by Buffalo716 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Just now, JoshAllenHasBigHands said: The answer isn't just "yes." The answer is "obviously, yes." obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 12 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Good for you Ed. Now grow up and either stop drinking while driving or hire yourself a driver. good for oldmanfan, now go get your reading glasses and actually read the story 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: it's "zero point zero"! tell the lawyer... I’m just the messenger. Those extra sig figs really emphasize the point though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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K-9 Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 17 minutes ago, eball said: You’re not trying to mislead or distract, you’re doing what the “majority” have done for too long — you want everyone to look the other way and say “mistakes happen — most people are good.” That’s no longer good enough. That’s why I think we are turning the corner a bit. We are starting to realize it’s not good enough to simply be “not racist.” We all need to be ANTI racist; no quarter given. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 19 minutes ago, eball said: If this were true, Ed would have been charged (at a minimum) with speeding, and probably reckless driving. Which means it’s not true. No it doesn't. Police officers do things like verbal and written warnings. I myself was in my early 20's and totally busted for coasting through a stop sign at 3 AM and the cop let me off. It's always a possibility that they were so focused on this formidable looking man with a possible DWI, empty beer can, and resulting illegal weapons charge they never bothered to cite him for speeding and reckless driving charges. But I don't know what the truth is and since we weren't there at the scene, respectfully, neither do you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Let's refocus you on your original point above (bolded). The answer is, obviously, "of course", because that's how it works all the time. So why are you asking as if you didn't know this? Ok, once and for all — clearly the cops did not witness Ed speeding, driving erratically, or changing lanes improperly, because if they did Ed would have been charged (ticketed) with speeding or reckless driving. Cops may not charge (ticket) a driver based upon hearsay. We clear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: tell the lawyer... I’m just the messenger. Those extra sig figs really emphasize the point though. true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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