Cowherds top 10 AFC qb’s. Allen at #5.

[WMDman]

1 hour ago, Nelius said:

 

I swear he was just getting trashed here about a week ago for some awful opinion, but unfortunately can't find it. Even with this praise Cowherd is an insufferable dork that should be ignored.

It was for his top 5 arm talents list( the graphics team messed up as it was supposed to be top 5 players who throw the most catchable passes)

[transplantbillsfan]

Wait, he said Allen is the only NFL QB to not complete a pass that traveled 35 yards or more in the air.

 

Ummm????

 

Did he mean from the LOS?

[BillsFan2313]

11 hours ago, JetsFan20 said:

1) Mahomes

2) Watson

3) Jackson

4) Big Ben

5) Rivers

6)Tannehill

7) Carr

8 ) Newton

9) Mayfield

10) Allen

11) Darnold

12) Minshew

13) Fitzpatrick

14) Lock

15) Taylor 

 

I left out Burrow

 

 

 

You are on crack. Good luck with all that. 

[Wizard]

13 hours ago, JetsFan20 said:

1) Mahomes

2) Watson

3) Jackson

4) Big Ben

5) Rivers

6)Tannehill

7) Carr

8 ) Newton

9) Mayfield

10) Allen

11) Darnold

12) Minshew

13) Fitzpatrick

14) Lock

15) Taylor 

 

I left out Burrow

 

You started off great...#1 through #3 is accurate.  After that, you got all Jetsy (this is a term to accept in your life until [if] you ever have a competent coach and GM again.)

 

Essentially, no matter how much you hope and wish, you'll end up with a Butt Fumble.

 

As Bills fans, we get it. Your best QB in the last 20 years was Chad Pennington or Mark Sanchez. You had a wet dream when Christian Hackenburg was drafted. You forgot that Sam Darnold had a dozen great college teammates and looked great against Western Idaho online's freshman junior college practice squad.

 

The Bills were similiar until a few years ago except we had GREAT fans, Buffalo Wings  and actually played in New York.

 

The Bills are heading up. The Jets are heading nowhere.

 

We accept that this sucks.  Please go back to you AOL dial-up account, watch some end-of-career Favre "big moment" interceptions, or go for a walk.

 

While doing so, please respectfully socially distance yourself from our Bills Board. 

 

Sincerely,

Bills Mafia

[Thurman#1]

32 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

I didn't know that anybody even paid attention anymore to Cowherd. He has constantly trashed the Bills and Buffalo in the past and now he's changing his tune because he doesn't want to look bad. What a POS

 

 

I'm no Cowherd fan, but changing your position when the facts and the situations change isn't just smart, it's what intelligent people should do.

[Thurman#1]

4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Wait, he said Allen is the only NFL QB to not complete a pass that traveled 35 yards or more in the air.

 

Ummm????

 

Did he mean from the LOS?

 

 

Completion means from the LOS to the tackle. Air yards means from the LOS to the catch site.

 

If a QB ran backwards 40 yards in a scramble and threw a completion caught one yard beyond the LOS, nobody would call that 41 air yards or a 41 yard gain or a 41 yard completion. Even though if you look at it literally it absolutely travelled 41 yards in the air. Nobody calculates things that way in football terms. Every way of calculating passes starts at the LOS.

 

That Brown play in your second example was 34 air yards and a 40 yard completion.

In your first example the picture isn't great but it appears to be made at the 22 or 23, and the LOS is the 47, which makes it a 53 yard touchdown that was about 31 or 32 air yards.

 

EDIT:  Next Gen Stats has one called LCAD which does refer to distance from hand to hand, but I don't think anyone else uses that measure.

Edited July 2, 2020 by Thurman#1

[machine gun kelly]

Guys (real Bills fans), I mentioned the other day a person going to another teams website with the posts he is constructing is simply to get a rise out of others.  Not worth addressing his messages so if you want him to go away, just ignore these posts.  
 

Im happy Cowherd rated Allen and McD high, but somewhat surprising as he usually has some off the wall takes.  I do appreciate the Op for posting the clip so thanks.

[Teddy KGB]

15 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

you've always had quite the agenda there ive noticed. I don't really understand it.

he hates qb that stink in the playoffs like 0-2 Lamar ? 

[Stank_Nasty]

41 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

he hates qb that stink in the playoffs like 0-2 Lamar ? 

This is just so.... you. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

16 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

you've always had quite the agenda there ive noticed. I don't really understand it.

 

I can say the same to you.  

 

I will gladly eat crow if LJ is the GOAT in 5 years.   I don't see this repeated gimmick working long term.  

 

and please refrain from using the word Agenda.   It is sooo untrue.  

 

16 hours ago, JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS said:

could be last year was LJ's "pop" year.  Or maybe he's really that good.  Like Allen, we wont know for another season or two.

 

It could.  He could be and Time will tell.

 

I don't CROWN players instant successes or failures on a whim.  

 

Example ....  Faker Mayfield.   He Broke Rookie Records IIRC.

 

And last year with "more" weapons....  what happened?  

 

Right now my opinion is that LJ is TT 2.0.   

 

Edited July 2, 2020 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce

[Teddy KGB]

7 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

This is just so.... you. 

didn’t know you were such an Andy Dalton fan 

[Stank_Nasty]

11 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

I can say the same to you.  

 

I will gladly ear crow if LJ is the GOAT in 5 years.   I don't see this repeated gimmick working long term.  

 

 

Same to me? I have no agenda when it comes to LJ. I guess you could say I have an agenda on calling out crappy takes on players. All he’s done is win games and win an MVP with a historical type season. I was completely wrong on him coming out. I thought he would be nothing. He’s already proved everyone wrong. He just freaking won an MVP dude. Your constant bagging on him is silly. It literally makes no sense. 
 

and the only way you’ll eat crow is if he turns into the GOAT? That’s honestly just ridiculous . It basically means your mind is made up no matter what he does. It’s clear there’s an agenda here and you obviously can’t talk rationally about him. Don’t you live in that area? I’m sure that has something to do with it. I’m overly touchy about the “stillers” having lived around their fans my whole life. 
 

This is sort of like that @Yav character that constantly bags on mahommes and won’t even put him in his top five qb’s. 

3 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

didn’t know you were such an Andy Dalton fan 

I remember why I literally havnt engaged with you in over a year. 

Edited July 2, 2020 by Stank_Nasty

[Teddy KGB]

2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:. 

I remember why I literally havnt engaged with you over a year. 

It’s not my fault you’re going nuts over someone whose never won a single playoff game ??‍♂️??‍♂️

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

4 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Same to me? I have no agenda when it comes to LJ. I guess you could say I have an agenda on calling out crappy takes on players. All he’s done is win games and win an MVP with a historical type season. I was completely wrong on him coming out. I thought he would be nothing. He’s already proved everyone wrong. He just freaking won an MVP dude. Your constant bagging on him is silly. It literally makes no sense. 
 

and the only way you’ll eat crow is if he turns into the GOAT? That’s honestly just ridiculous . It basically means your mind is made up no matter what he does. It’s clear there’s an agenda here and you obviously can’t talk rationally about him. Don’t you live in that area? I’m sure that has something to do with it. I’m overly touchy about the “stillers” having lived around their fans my whole life. 
 

This is sort of like that @Yav character that constantly bags on mahommes and won’t even put him in his top five qb’s. 

 

 

You have more of an agenda that I do.  Let it go.   Don't be a Teddy.  

 

RE Patrick Mahomes, sure I was just as skeptical about Pat after year 1.   He continued to play at a high level in the passing game.  

 

[Stank_Nasty]

2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

It’s not my fault you’re going nuts over someone whose never won a single playoff game ??‍♂️??‍♂️

Going nuts over it. Right. That’s what it is. 
 

I can honestly say I don’t think I’ve ever seen you contribute anything of actual substance on this forum. talk to you in a couple of years. 

[Teddy KGB]

1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Going nuts over it. Right. That’s what it is. 
 

I can honestly say I don’t think I’ve ever seen you contribute anything of actual substance on this forum. talk to you in a couple of years. 

Deep breaths.    This isn’t a playoff game.  

[Stank_Nasty]

Just now, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

 

You have more of an agenda that I do.  Let it go.   Don't be a Teddy.  

 

RE Patrick Mahomes, sure I was just as skeptical about Pat after year 1.   He continued to play at a high level in the passing game.  

 

Easy now. I offer actual thoughts that are longer than the one liners that offer nothing to a convo(unlike ted). 
 

and bro. You go out of your way to take pot shots at LJ any chance you get. I’ve skipped over it numerous times without even commenting. I finally decided to bring it up after months and months and your response is “No it’s YOU that has the agenda!” . What? Seriously? 
 

Anyhow. Moving on....

[Mike in Horseheads]

3 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

I'm no Cowherd fan, but changing your position when the facts and the situations change isn't just smart, it's what intelligent people should do.

He's a big mouth radio talking head that states his opinion like fact so he's not intelligent for change, he's pandering

[GunnerBill]

20 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I don’t get worked up about what most people in these positions say one way to the other. Just thought it was an interesting segment. Colin seems to be a BILLiever. I think Allen has a shot to move up this list by one or two slots over the course of the season. I’m skeptical that Big Ben just comes in and plays at a borderline probowl level. And watson doesn’t have his jump ball guy anymore. 
 

I would assume the heads of the fans from the other 3 AFC east teams would explode watching Allen go so high on this list. Haha. 
 

 

 

I would swap Watson and Jackson and I think Ben at 4 is right but with an asterisk. Allen at #5 was bang on in my view. 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

Cowherd has always been an idiot to Bills fans, you know, until he says nice things ... ?

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Cowherd has always been an idiot to Bills fans, you know, until he says nice things ... ?

 

Cowherd is all in on the Bills. Loves McDermott and Beane says we are finally being run by smart people and despite not liking Josh coming out has been pretty fair on him all the way through. 

 

I like Cowherd. He is a shock jock and I disagree with some of his hot takes but he always tries to explain a rationale. He is really good at his job. 

[Buffalo Junction]

2 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Same to me? I have no agenda when it comes to LJ. I guess you could say I have an agenda on calling out crappy takes on players. All he’s done is win games and win an MVP with a historical type season. I was completely wrong on him coming out. I thought he would be nothing. He’s already proved everyone wrong. He just freaking won an MVP dude. Your constant bagging on him is silly. It literally makes no sense. 
 

and the only way you’ll eat crow is if he turns into the GOAT? That’s honestly just ridiculous . It basically means your mind is made up no matter what he does. It’s clear there’s an agenda here and you obviously can’t talk rationally about him. Don’t you live in that area? I’m sure that has something to do with it. I’m overly touchy about the “stillers” having lived around their fans my whole life. 
 

This is sort of like that @Yav character that constantly bags on mahommes and won’t even put him in his top five qb’s. 

I remember why I literally havnt engaged with you in over a year. 

I’m still reserving judgement on Jackson. There are two reasons for this...

 

1. Jackson is young and still developing. He hasn’t yet shown that he can work the whole field, but his running has more than made up for it so far. Long term he needs to substantially improve at getting the ball to WRs outside the hashes. 
 

2. Greg Roman’s track record. The guy is brilliant at drawing up run schemes and innovations. However, he seems to get “figured out” after three years. A large part of that is due to his passing attacks and game calling being less developed. McD figured it out last season and Ten copies and executed the scheme. We’ll see how he adapts. 
 

I certainly think Jackson is more talented than Kap and Tyrod. He has a lot of room to grow. The challenge is going to be Roman’s growth and ability to involve WRs into an effective downfield attack. Roman and Jacksons’ strengths amplify each other as do their weaknesses. One or both need to improve for long term success. As it stands right now the Ravens are a leg injury away from a very limited offense. 

[Chicken Boo]

20 hours ago, 17islongenough said:

I think it could be argued that Allen is ahead of Big Ben.  Big Ben is 38 coming off of an injury.  

 

No.  It can't. 

 

And I strongly dislike Roethlisberger.

22 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Cowherd has always been an idiot to Bills fans, you know, until he says nice things ... ?

 

The insecurity around here is strong.

[BisonMan]

44 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:

I’m still reserving judgement on Jackson. There are two reasons for this...

 

1. Jackson is young and still developing. He hasn’t yet shown that he can work the whole field, but his running has more than made up for it so far. Long term he needs to substantially improve at getting the ball to WRs outside the hashes. 
 

2. Greg Roman’s track record. The guy is brilliant at drawing up run schemes and innovations. However, he seems to get “figured out” after three years. A large part of that is due to his passing attacks and game calling being less developed. McD figured it out last season and Ten copies and executed the scheme. We’ll see how he adapts. 
 

I certainly think Jackson is more talented than Kap and Tyrod. He has a lot of room to grow. The challenge is going to be Roman’s growth and ability to involve WRs into an effective downfield attack. Roman and Jacksons’ strengths amplify each other as do their weaknesses. One or both need to improve for long term success. As it stands right now the Ravens are a leg injury away from a very limited offense. 

I am skeptical about Jackson's success moving forward. I absolutely love what Roman has done to maximize the talent on that team's offense. I think Jackson is a great fit for that scheme and, I agree, he's better that Kap or TT. He runs better than either of them and he throws with more anticipation.

 

I'm a Georgia Tech alumni and had an uncle live with me who was a Naval Academy grad. Suffice it to say, we saw a ton of triple option, run-heavy, misdirection, RPO plays to last a lifetime. These types of offenses completely confound teams that haven't played against them much and Baltimore's team last year was the epitome of this. Team's were completely lost in gap coverage and receiver coverage throughout most of the season. However, over the course of time, team's like this get "figured out" by teams with time to prepare. It's one of the main reasons GA Tech and Navy lost so many bowl games. Teams had a couple of weeks to watch tape and get ready without having to face anyone else. That will start happening in the NFL this year to the Ravens.

 

We saw this start to change beginning with the SF and Bills' games. Disciplined defenses were able to hold them down and limit Jackson's effectiveness by making him throw outside the numbers, where he was particularly poor.  Tennessee put down the hammer. 

 

If Jackson can improve his skill-set from the pocket, he will continue to excel. If he can't, he becomes a really good Tyrod Taylor and will continue to win games provided his team has an awesome defense. Anybody who scored 25 points against the Ravens last year beat them. John Brown runs a better route and catches that TD late, the Bills take that one to overtime with 24 points.

[Yav]

3 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Same to me? I have no agenda when it comes to LJ. I guess you could say I have an agenda on calling out crappy takes on players. All he’s done is win games and win an MVP with a historical type season. I was completely wrong on him coming out. I thought he would be nothing. He’s already proved everyone wrong. He just freaking won an MVP dude. Your constant bagging on him is silly. It literally makes no sense. 
 

and the only way you’ll eat crow is if he turns into the GOAT? That’s honestly just ridiculous . It basically means your mind is made up no matter what he does. It’s clear there’s an agenda here and you obviously can’t talk rationally about him. Don’t you live in that area? I’m sure that has something to do with it. I’m overly touchy about the “stillers” having lived around their fans my whole life. 
 

This is sort of like that @Yav character that constantly bags on mahommes and won’t even put him in his top five qb’s. 

I remember why I literally havnt engaged with you in over a year. 

Seriously? So I like at the very least 5 QBs better than a guy that continues to under throw his best WR and has the best skill players in the NFL and someone my opinion is wrong? 

I think you need to educate yourself on what an opinion is. 

 

Rodgers, Rivers, Brady, Ryan, Stafford, and Willson in no particular order IMO are all better than Majokes.

[marky]

9 minutes ago, Yav said:

Seriously? So I like at the very least 5 QBs better than a guy that continues to under throw his best WR and has the best skill players in the NFL and someone my opinion is wrong? 

I think you need to educate yourself on what an opinion is. 

 

Rodgers, Rivers, Brady, Ryan, Stafford, and Willson in no particular order IMO are all better than Majokes.

 

Being the darling of the league is a very underrated quality. You get calls from the officials. Players on the other team who have your agent will make it rough for anyone who hits you late. Why? Because you make everyone money.

 

You get the confidence to really cheat. Not just on gameday. Brutal league. A lot of people can make all the throws.

[Stank_Nasty]

35 minutes ago, Yav said:

Seriously? So I like at the very least 5 QBs better than a guy that continues to under throw his best WR and has the best skill players in the NFL and someone my opinion is wrong? 

I think you need to educate yourself on what an opinion is. 

 

Rodgers, Rivers, Brady, Ryan, Stafford, and Willson in no particular order IMO are all better than Majokes.

you can have an opinion. that doesn't mean its not a really awful one.

[Stank_Nasty]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I would swap Watson and Jackson and I think Ben at 4 is right but with an asterisk. Allen at #5 was bang on in my view. 

Will Fuller being in the lineup vs out of the lineup was a drastic difference for Watson last year. Do you think he'll suffer in a similar way now that Hopkins is gone for good?

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Will Fuller being in the lineup vs out of the lineup was a drastic difference for Watson last year. Do you think he'll suffer in a similar way now that Hopkins is gone for good?

 

No. I think Watson is really, really good. Compare Fuller's numbers with Watson and with any other QB. Watson makes Fuller, not the other way around.

[Stank_Nasty]

Just now, GunnerBill said:

 

No. I think Watson is really, really good. Compare Fuller's numbers with Watson and with any other QB. Watson makes Fuller, not the other way around.

I like Watson.... I just thought the numbers with and without one of his starters in the lineup from last year was interesting. their offense wasn't nearly as efficient without fuller. it was a topic around here that got quite a bit of hype before the playoff game. so I naturally wonder what happens if he loses a wr that's even better than fuller.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I thought this board hated Cowherd because he loves Brady and Belichick???

[Stank_Nasty]

1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I thought this board hated Cowherd because he loves Brady and Belichick???

Like I said when I put it up. I don't put a lot of stock into what the media says on way or the other. I just thought it was worth a watch.

[metzelaars_lives]

On 7/1/2020 at 11:35 AM, JetsFan20 said:

1) Mahomes

2) Watson

3) Jackson

4) Big Ben

5) Rivers

6)Tannehill

7) Carr

8 ) Newton

9) Mayfield

10) Allen

11) Darnold

12) Minshew

13) Fitzpatrick

14) Lock

15) Taylor 

 

I left out Burrow

 

Rivers, right now, in 2020, might be 15th.

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Cowherd is all in on the Bills. Loves McDermott and Beane says we are finally being run by smart people and despite not liking Josh coming out has been pretty fair on him all the way through. 

 

I like Cowherd. He is a shock jock and I disagree with some of his hot takes but he always tries to explain a rationale. He is really good at his job. 

I’ll agree ... I’m definitely not the thin skinned Bills fan 

4 hours ago, Yav said:

Seriously? So I like at the very least 5 QBs better than a guy that continues to under throw his best WR and has the best skill players in the NFL and someone my opinion is wrong? 

I think you need to educate yourself on what an opinion is. 

 

Rodgers, Rivers, Brady, Ryan, Stafford, and Willson in no particular order IMO are all better than Majokes.

Majokes?  Your opinions are heretofore invalid. 

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

I like Watson.... I just thought the numbers with and without one of his starters in the lineup from last year was interesting. their offense wasn't nearly as efficient without fuller. it was a topic around here that got quite a bit of hype before the playoff game. so I naturally wonder what happens if he loses a wr that's even better than fuller.

 

But Fuller has only ever performed with Watson. Watson will be fine. Don't worry about him. 

[BornAgainBillsFan]

On 7/1/2020 at 3:09 PM, MJS said:

 

So by what metric is Mayfield better than Allen? He had more offensive weapons, a better supporting cast, and still lost more games and threw 12 more interceptions than Allen. 12!!!

 

My list would look like this:

 

1) Mahomes

2) Watson

3) Jackson

4) Big Ben

5) Allen

6) Mayfield

7) Darnold

8 ) Newton

9) Carr

10) Rivers

11) Tannehill

12) Lock

13) Fitzpatrick

14) Minshew

15) Taylor

 

? (Can't delete this stupid emoji)

 

Good list! Not sure I'd change a thing.

[Yav]

7 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

you can have an opinion. that doesn't mean its not a really awful one.

So can you and yours appears to be the worst possible opinion there is.

3 hours ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

I’ll agree ... I’m definitely not the thin skinned Bills fan 

Majokes?  Your opinions are heretofore invalid. 

Your thoughts about me and my opinions matter none to me. But cool story bro. 

[Penfield45]

can't argue with that. Allen needs to find his way into the top 3 in the AFC next season and the next few seasons. not many good QB's right now in the conference so 

[GunnerBill]

18 hours ago, BisonMan said:

If Jackson can improve his skill-set from the pocket, he will continue to excel. If he can't, he becomes a really good Tyrod Taylor and will continue to win games provided his team has an awesome defense. Anybody who scored 25 points against the Ravens last year beat them. John Brown runs a better route and catches that TD late, the Bills take that one to overtime with 24 points.

 

Indeed. With the upgrades to the middle of the dline and linebacking unit going to be hard for anyone to score 25 on Baltimore this year.

On ‎7‎/‎2‎/‎2020 at 10:28 AM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

I'm no Cowherd fan, but changing your position when the facts and the situations change isn't just smart, it's what intelligent people should do.

 

Yea. Trashing the Bills when they were bad and then supporting them when they are good....

[RaoulDuke79]

On 7/1/2020 at 1:35 PM, JetsFan20 said:

1) Mahomes

2) Watson

3) Jackson

4) Big Ben

5) Rivers

6)Tannehill

7) Carr

8 ) Newton

9) Mayfield

10) Allen

11) Darnold

12) Minshew

13) Fitzpatrick

14) Lock

15) Taylor 

 

I left out Burrow

 

You also left out common sense,  reason and sanity.