Players who will shape 2020 NFL season: It will be hard for Josh Allen to mess this up

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/players-who-will-shape-2020-nfl-season-it-will-be-hard-for-josh-allen-to-mess-this-up-223742667.html

 

After a strong 2019 season, it looks like the Buffalo Bills are on the precipice of a successful rebuild. Buffalo had not made the postseason since the 1999 season before Sean McDermott came aboard. The head coach has guided them to two playoff appearances in his three seasons. The foundation has been constructed. 

 

The 2020 season can mark the dawn of a new age for the Bills. What’s been unthinkable for almost two decades is now well within reach: The Bills can be the team to beat in the AFC East.

 

... after being ousted from the playoffs following a misery-inducing loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars, Buffalo looked itself in the mirror and decided that as good as Taylor was, the team had a capped ceiling with him at quarterback. No matter what you think of the evaluation of the move that came afterward, it’s clear that was the calculation.

 

 

 

 

[Stank_Nasty]

Read this yesterday. There’s some solid points but it also just feels like one big well worded passive aggressive shot at Allen. 

Edited June 25, 2020 by Stank_Nasty

[John from Riverside]

If only the problem was Josh Allen is "screwing it up"

 

Which he has not been.....

[major]

Soon, Josh Allen will rule the world 

[GunnerBill]

13 hours ago, Stank_Nasty said:

Read this yesterday. There’s some solid points but it also just feels like one big well worded passive aggressive shot at Allen. 

 

Some of you are really darn sensitive.... it was a solid piece. The numbers when his time to throw is 3.5 seconds were interesting and kind of support what I have said from day 1 with Josh. He is at his best when in rhythm with the ball coming out of his hand quickly. When he holds it that is usually a sign of clouded thinking and things start to go wrong. I think the Bills still have to get better at designing and executing drive starters for Allen because once he hits that first pass of a drive he is a different player. 

[Stank_Nasty]

33 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Some of you are really darn sensitive.... it was a solid piece. The numbers when his time to throw is 3.5 seconds were interesting and kind of support what I have said from day 1 with Josh. He is at his best when in rhythm with the ball coming out of his hand quickly. When he holds it that is usually a sign of clouded thinking and things start to go wrong. I think the Bills still have to get better at designing and executing drive starters for Allen because once he hits that first pass of a drive he is a different player. 

I’m not being sensitive in the least. I’m not one bit worked up about it. It read to me like a backhanded article. “All he has to do is not screw it up”.... real positive talk there about the qb. 
 

Or how about “It has taken us some digging to get here but there is some hope Josh Allen can execute this newly designed offense with its wealth of skill-position talent into high gear. It will require the Bills to take yet another step to make Allen’s life easier.” .... so the bills literally need to cater everything to Allen. He’s obviously not capable of improving 

 

the guy is basically building in excuses later on down the line if Allen turns out to be any good. I think that’s pretty clear. Couldn’t just be that he improved. Gotta be the what the FO did for him and how they catered the offense. Even josh Allen couldn’t screw this one up, right? 
 

You can book this... IF Allen ever turns out to be a consistently good NFL qb the majority will build in numerous excuses as to what the team did for him as opposed to him just developing into a solid qb. That’s been the case up to this point through his improvement because people’s takes have been so strong on him, they can’t afford to be THAT wrong on a guy. 
 

there’s no sensitivity on my end there. That’s just how I’ve seen things play out. 
 

.... I also 100% agree that, at this point in his career, you can almost always predict how a drive is gonna go based on his first couple passes. I’m just of the opinion he doesn’t need coddled with it and as he becomes a better qb it won’t be the case anymore. 

Edited June 26, 2020 by Stank_Nasty

[MJS]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Some of you are really darn sensitive.... it was a solid piece. The numbers when his time to throw is 3.5 seconds were interesting and kind of support what I have said from day 1 with Josh. He is at his best when in rhythm with the ball coming out of his hand quickly. When he holds it that is usually a sign of clouded thinking and things start to go wrong. I think the Bills still have to get better at designing and executing drive starters for Allen because once he hits that first pass of a drive he is a different player. 

 

He's usually scrambling if he has more than 3.5 seconds. If he holds the ball that long it's because nobody is open and Allen is scrambling and throwing on the run.

 

3.5 seconds is a long time after a drop back.

[IgotBILLStopay]

2 hours ago, major said:

Soon, Josh Allen will rule the world 

Shdnt he be this one instead of the villain? Just based on the narrative in the movie?

 

 

Edited June 26, 2020 by IgotBILLStopay

[Gugny]

9 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Some of you are really darn sensitive.... it was a solid piece. The numbers when his time to throw is 3.5 seconds were interesting and kind of support what I have said from day 1 with Josh. He is at his best when in rhythm with the ball coming out of his hand quickly. When he holds it that is usually a sign of clouded thinking and things start to go wrong. I think the Bills still have to get better at designing and executing drive starters for Allen because once he hits that first pass of a drive he is a different player. 

 

And what you're saying supports what I've been saying from day 1 ... Brian Daboll needs to be better and Sean McDermott needs to see to it.  The Baltimore Ravens' coaching staff made an MVP out of a mediocre at best QB.  How?  By realizing and utilizing his strengths and surrounding him with the necessary talent.

 

The talent is here. Daboll needs to be better.

 

EDIT:  As much as I think Daboll needs to be better, I also believe Josh needs to be better.  No more excuses.

 

Edited June 26, 2020 by Gugny

[billsfanmiami(oh)]

13 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

And what you're saying supports what I've been saying from day 1 ... Brian Daboll needs to be better and Sean McDermott needs to see to it.  The Baltimore Ravens' coaching staff made an MVP out of a mediocre at best QB.  How?  By realizing and utilizing his strengths and surrounding him with the necessary talent.

 

The talent is here. Daboll needs to be better.

I think Daboll has to be better too. But in his defense and I guess one thing I kinda like, is that they seem to be going for the more long term development approach with JA (which I think is the correct move).
 

They’re not trying to catch some lightning for a year or two with a gimmicky offense like the Ravens are doing. They seem to be throwing a lot at him, letting him sink or swim a bit, then adjusting as necessary. It seems like for the first time in forever, they’re actually trying to build a guy up for a 10+ year career as a legit starter.

 

I can get behind that, even if it doesn’t work out in the long run. Especially with someone like JA who has incredible physical talent but was pretty raw coming out of college.

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, MJS said:

 

He's usually scrambling if he has more than 3.5 seconds. If he holds the ball that long it's because nobody is open and Allen is scrambling and throwing on the run.

 

3.5 seconds is a long time after a drop back.

 

I disagree with the nobody is open. His worst game for time to throw last season was Cleveland and there were receivers open all game that he jus didn't see. Sometimes it is on the line, no always. 

3 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

And what you're saying supports what I've been saying from day 1 ... Brian Daboll needs to be better and Sean McDermott needs to see to it.  The Baltimore Ravens' coaching staff made an MVP out of a mediocre at best QB.  How?  By realizing and utilizing his strengths and surrounding him with the necessary talent.

 

The talent is here. Daboll needs to be better.

 

But Josh needs to be better too. There are drives where Daboll has designed the perfect drive starter and Allen throws into the dirt. It is on all of them. You can't look at where Allen is now without giving Brian Daboll some of the credit for that IMO. 

3 hours ago, billsfanmiami(oh) said:

I think Daboll has to be better too. But in his defense and I guess one thing I kinda like, is that they seem to be going for the more long term development approach with JA (which I think is the correct move).
 

They’re not trying to catch some lightning for a year or two with a gimmicky offense like the Ravens are doing. They seem to be throwing a lot at him, letting him sink or swim a bit, then adjusting as necessary. It seems like for the first time in forever, they’re actually trying to build a guy up for a 10+ year career as a legit starter.

 

I can get behind that, even if it doesn’t work out in the long run. Especially with someone like JA who has incredible physical talent but was pretty raw coming out of college.

 

Agree. It is why I don't get worked up about whether they run the ball enough. This is the NFL. If your quarterback is the right quarterback then when the game is on the line put the ball in his hands. Allen is better with it in his hands anyway. He isn't early Joe Flacco or Russell Wilson where he wants to lean on the running game and then make that one big 3rd down conversion per drive. Allen wants it in his hands. Daboll recognises that and for the most part puts it there.

[machine gun kelly]

7 hours ago, major said:

Soon, Josh Allen will rule the world 

Kalima, Kalima!  Nice reference. Maybe Josh can eat monkey brains too.  That was disgusting for the dinner scene.  Reminds me in the early 90’s I was a 22 year old teacher and during final exams (after) we would watch these Indian Jones movies.  Nice chuckle so thanks.

6 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Some of you are really darn sensitive.... it was a solid piece. The numbers when his time to throw is 3.5 seconds were interesting and kind of support what I have said from day 1 with Josh. He is at his best when in rhythm with the ball coming out of his hand quickly. When he holds it that is usually a sign of clouded thinking and things start to go wrong. I think the Bills still have to get better at designing and executing drive starters for Allen because once he hits that first pass of a drive he is a different player. 

GB, I kind of thought the same thing in that I didn’t take it for once as a slam on Allen, but he had the weakest talent compared to what Lamar, Baker, and so on had in their stable.

[BruceVilanch]

8 hours ago, major said:

Soon, Josh Allen will rule the world 

NEW ENGLAND COVER YOUR HEART! COVER YOUR HEART!

[Gugny]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

But Josh needs to be better too. There are drives where Daboll has designed the perfect drive starter and Allen throws into the dirt. It is on all of them. You can't look at where Allen is now without giving Brian Daboll some of the credit for that IMO.

 

Josh absolutely needs to be better (I'm going to edit my post) and I've always maintained that.  I just think that, throughout their tenures with the Bills, Josh Allen has been a better QB than Brian Daboll has been an OC.  And Allen has continually improved/adjusted.  But yes ... they both certainly need to better (and smarter).

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, Gugny said:

 

Josh absolutely needs to be better (I'm going to edit my post) and I've always maintained that.  I just think that, throughout their tenures with the Bills, Josh Allen has been a better QB than Brian Daboll has been an OC.  And Allen has continually improved/adjusted.  But yes ... they both certainly need to better (and smarter).

 

I find it difficult to detach the two but overall our offensive failures have been more talent (mean overall talent not just Josh) than coaching. I am absolutely convinced of that. 

[Gugny]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I find it difficult to detach the two but overall our offensive failures have been more talent (mean overall talent not just Josh) than coaching. I am absolutely convinced of that. 

 

I won't disagree with this.  Drops, missed blocks, dumb penalties, general lack of execution ... they've all plagued the offense.  Like you said .. everyone - players and coaches - needs to step it up a notch.

[Ramza86]

12 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Some of you are really darn sensitive.... it was a solid piece. The numbers when his time to throw is 3.5 seconds were interesting and kind of support what I have said from day 1 with Josh. He is at his best when in rhythm with the ball coming out of his hand quickly. When he holds it that is usually a sign of clouded thinking and things start to go wrong. I think the Bills still have to get better at designing and executing drive starters for Allen because once he hits that first pass of a drive he is a different player. 

 3.5 seconds in a clean pocket? Or 3.5 seconds overall. Cause you know he does extend plays with his feet....

and plays that are extended because of incoming pressure or good coverage do have a lower chance of success.

 

We know that right?

[Mr. WEO]

14 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

If only the problem was Josh Allen is "screwing it up"

 

Which he has not been.....

 

Not at all??  Come on...

[GunnerBill]

2 minutes ago, Ramza86 said:

 3.5 seconds in a clean pocket? Or 3.5 seconds overall. Cause you know he does extend plays with his feet....

and plays that are extended because of incoming pressure or good coverage do have a lower chance of success.

 

We know that right?

 

Yes. We know all that. We also know that the games where Josh holds the ball longest are the games where he is less efficient. It generally means he (and in fairness the rest of the offense but it starts with Josh) is out of rhythm.

[FireChans]

Folks will call this article a slam against Josh, but almost everyone agrees that next season and the Bills future hinges on Josh. 

 

Whether you say that by saying “Josh needs to take a step” or “Josh needs to not screw up,” the real message remains the same.

[John from Riverside]

7 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Not at all??  Come on...

We have made the playoffs two of the last 3 years

We were 10 and 6 last year

 

No.....he is part of the solution

[Mr. WEO]

50 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

We have made the playoffs two of the last 3 years

We were 10 and 6 last year

 

No.....he is part of the solution

So..no screw ups at all is what you’re saying

 

Maybe you are using a new definition of the term then 

[Punching Bag]

On 6/25/2020 at 8:15 AM, Stank_Nasty said:

Read this yesterday. There’s some solid points but it also just feels like one big well worded passive aggressive shot at Allen. 

 

is that better or worse than a well worded aggressive passive shot at Allen?

[John from Riverside]

12 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

So..no screw ups at all is what you’re saying

 

Maybe you are using a new definition of the term then 

I wasnt aware that you had to be totally screw up free in order to be part of the solution.  You do realize that ALL NFL QBs dont play it perfect right?  Why should Josh be held to a higher standard?

[Punching Bag]

19 hours ago, MJS said:

 

He's usually scrambling if he has more than 3.5 seconds. If he holds the ball that long it's because nobody is open and Allen is scrambling and throwing on the run.

 

3.5 seconds is a long time after a drop back.

 

Or he does not SEE someone open.  All QBs have that happen sometimes but with more experience it tends to go down and is not something you can learn without practice.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

I wasnt aware that you had to be totally screw up free in order to be part of the solution.  You do realize that ALL NFL QBs dont play it perfect right?  Why should Josh be held to a higher standard?

yes we all seem to realize that.  Yet you were describing him as screw up free (perfect, I.e.) anyway.

 

my support fir Allen I’ve well documented, but it’s not based in fantasy.  Go back and watch the Texans game.  Most was chaos. 

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

yes we all seem to realize that.  Yet you were describing him as screw up free (perfect, I.e.) anyway.

 

my support fir Allen I’ve well documented, but it’s not based in fantasy.  Go back and watch the Texans game.  Most was chaos. 

I dont recall him being screw up free....if I said something to that effect that is not what I meant.

 

What I am saying is that Josh Allen literally takes nothing and turns it into something.....a lot.....he has game winning drives...he is a gamer.....he IS what you want at the QB postion if he can just not fumble the ball and hit a deep ball every now and then.

 

We have seen enough attempts at QB role through here to know what a QB that is holding the team back looks like.  Josh Allen aint that

 

 

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

You didn’t like the bomb to Dimarco in double coverage?... or the lateral to Knox with 2 minutes left at midfield??

 

I like Allen too. But he ***** his pants a bit with some pressure in that playoff game. It’s all good. Hopefully that experience pays off. 

 

Mark Sanchez had a lot of game winning drives. He didn’t last too long.

 

This year will be a big measuring stick form Josh’s career.... if there is a season.The jury is still way out on him as much as that bothers some fans.

 

 

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

You didn’t like the bomb to Dimarco in double coverage?... or the lateral to Knox with 2 minutes left at midfield??

 

I like Allen too. But he ***** his pants a bit with some pressure in that playoff game. It’s all good. Hopefully that experience pays off. 

 

Mark Sanchez had a lot of game winning drives. He didn’t last too long.

 

This year will be a big measuring stick form Josh’s career.... if there is a season.The jury is still way out on him as much as that bothers some fans.

 

It is easy to talk about it in hindsite....but if Knox actually catches that lateral the bills win and we are onto the 2nd round of the playoffs

 

It is Josh Allen's willingness to go for it that actually makes him really really intriguing.......if he can just clean up some of the consistant stuff

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

22 hours ago, FireChans said:

Folks will call this article a slam against Josh, but almost everyone agrees that next season and the Bills future hinges on Josh. 

 

Whether you say that by saying “Josh needs to take a step” or “Josh needs to not screw up,” the real message remains the same.

Doesn’t every teams success depend on QB1?

 

Josh needs to mature further into the QB1 position with eliminating the rookie type mistakes and yes check down a little more.  League lowest #?

 

[formerlyofCtown]

On 6/25/2020 at 8:50 PM, major said:

Soon, Josh Allen will rule the world 

What does the Jets HC have to do with Josh Allen?

[GreggTX]

Basically, the next 3 years or more will be determined by Josh Allen's ability to play QB, backed up by a solid defense. The OL needs an elite talent addition as does the TE position, but this offense could jump 10 spots in points scored/gm. I hope the D is better than ever.

Edited June 28, 2020 by GreggTX

[NoSaint]

On 6/26/2020 at 11:07 PM, John from Riverside said:

 

It is easy to talk about it in hindsite....but if Knox actually catches that lateral the bills win and we are onto the 2nd round of the playoffs

 

It is Josh Allen's willingness to go for it that actually makes him really really intriguing.......if he can just clean up some of the consistant stuff

no his willingness to try those two plays makes hims really undisciplined. I’d be the first to call that lateral asinine and get shredded if it was a touchdown too. He’s not at lunch in the schoolyard - that he does that still should worry you not excite you. 
 

hopefully he learns to play disciplined and actually get the most out of his skill set. We expected growing pains, so I’m not super stressed, but he’s got a good bit to go and not a lot of time before a monster contract is staring us in the face. 

29 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

Basically, the next 3 years or more will be determined by Josh Allen's ability to play QB, backed up by a solid defense. The OL needs an elite talent addition as does the TE position, but this offense could jump 10 spots in points scored/gm. I hope the D is better than ever.

Yup. I’d say probably 2 years of “best team he will ever have” around him and then his job gets harder when the pay goes up. He should see a bump up and we will see if he can stay at that level. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Barnwell: Josh Allen needs to evolve for the Bills to take the next step. Can he?

He scrambled for 507 yards that season, the most scramble yards for any quarterback in a single season over the past five years. The only players to scramble for more yards than 

[JESSEFEFFER]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

Barnwell: Josh Allen needs to evolve for the Bills to take the next step. Can he?

He scrambled for 507 yards that season, the most scramble yards for any quarterback in a single season over the past five years. The only players to scramble for more yards than 

One of the better analyses of Josh after year 2.  Much better than the lame title suggests.  Duh!

 

The Tyrod Taylor comp is interesting but as I posted elsewhere he could have chosen 2014 or 2017 Cam Newton.  He makes a balanced attempt to put his overall play in context within the offense and sets the stage for what needs to improve in 2020.

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

9 minutes ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

One of the better analyses of Josh after year 2.  Much better than the lame title suggests.  Duh!

 

The Tyrod Taylor comp is interesting but as I posted elsewhere he could have chosen 2014 or 2017 Cam Newton.  He makes a balanced attempt to put his overall play in context within the offense and sets the stage for what needs to improve in 2020.

 

 

 

someone started a the thread on this story 

 

 

 

I see you already posted there