Sean McDermott meets with media 6/17

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

A lot of posters here think Zubaz should make a comeback and fried bologna sammiches qualify as breakfast food.

 

In the end, most fans simply want their football straight up, no mixers.

 

Nearly every off season post would disappear were that true.

[Shaw66]

27 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

There's no reason to conclude that Harbaugh is "complaining" by pointing out flaws and potential problems in this protocol.  You can't be suggesting that Harbaugh is not a hard working coach who also wants to just "get to work".  In fact that's his issue with the protocol--it doesn't allow for that.  

 

McDermott is a good guy, but I don't see where he has traits nearly every HC has as well.  I would take Harbaugh as HC in a second over McD.  Not sure why you would not.

I tend to agree with you about Harbaugh.  I like him.  

 

I wasn't making a point about Harbaugh so much as I was about McDermott.  He seems to ALWAYS be like this - he doesn't waste a minute on things he can't control.  

[Warcodered]

8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He didn't answer the question; he reiterated the answer to another question.  It was a simple yes/no.  I would give him full credit had he answered either way. 

It might just be that since no one has come forward saying they're going to kneel he can hardly kneel in solidarity with them. But it is pretty open ended who knows what he'll do.

 

[Mr. WEO]

2 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I tend to agree with you about Harbaugh.  I like him.  

 

I wasn't making a point about Harbaugh so much as I was about McDermott.  He seems to ALWAYS be like this - he doesn't waste a minute on things he can't control.  

 

 

I can't comment with that level of conviction.  I don't know McD nearly as well as you seem to.  I only know him from press conferences, etc, where he rarely says anything out of script.

[Buddo]

As to the notion that McDermott isn't qualified to say who might or might not make a good NFL coach, I believe he's been in the NFL for long enough, and with enough success as both a coordinator and HC (2 playoff berths in 3 years is not to be sniffed at, especially while re-building), to have a clue.

 

As regards his staff turnover, well he was pretty clear from the get go, that he had lists of who he wanted to work with, and he obviously wasn't able to get every first choice to begin with.

 

In that respect, is there a change of coach that he's made, who hasn't been an improvement? Off the top of my head, so far, I don't believe there is, although I could easily be wrong. But it won't be by much.

[Shaw66]

11 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

He really is. The most impressive thing to me is how quickly he will admit an error, and then work to adjust it. Always work the problem. Always.

 

The high off-season praise is a bit worrisome for me, just because people love to lift things up to watch them fall, but damn the stars are aligned, and he's the right guy to lead this group.

 

I'm totally on Team McBeane. But then again, I'm a homer. I'm just excited to be competitive again, and very glad I don't follow hockey.

I'm right there with you.

 

All the coaches are operating in uncharted territory right now. They're trying to figure out how to do their jobs.  Some will figure it out better than others. 

 

The early games in any season are very important, in that the teams are playing without being fully formed - they haven't become yet what they will become. But the wins and losses count equally in the standings with the later games. So, figuring out how to prepare your team this season can give a coach a big advantage in the early season. 

 

There will be some coaches whose teams are behind starting camp and will be behind coming out of camp. McDermott could have gotten it all wrong over the past three months. Who knows? But I have a lot of confidence that he figured out how to get the job done and that he has his team ready for camp.

[Shaw66]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

I can't comment with that level of conviction.  I don't know McD nearly as well as you seem to.  I only know him from press conferences, etc, where he rarely says anything out of script.

All I know about him is what I hear from him and from others around him. There was a lot of talk about what he is like on the Sunday night game against the Steelers, because the two head coaches were teammates in college. There also have been articles about him describing his work ethic, his personality, etc. Everything I've seen makes it sound like he's the ultimate nice guy combined with the ultimate Type A workaholic. 

 

When the Clintons were in their last year in the White House, I read an article about the Clintons and the Gores. It said they'd have dinner together occasionally at the White House, and after dinner they'd often spend several hours together. Hilary and Al talked political science theory all night; Bill and Tipper drank and laughed a lot. If they could have gotten McDermott to stay after dinner, he would have been with Hilary and Al. 

[leonbus23]

 

"I expect 110% from every guy out there".

 

This is why I love McDermott!

[Chandler#81]

1 hour ago, Happy said:

 

My point is, as stated, I don't think McDermott is the best person to evaluate who will make a good coach.  Having such a turnover in staff can be interpreted that he is learning as he goes along, but it also signifies that he did not (and may still not) know what makes a good coach.  Should we expect turnover?  Sure; Brian Flores turned over the OC in Miami, so that happens.  But most of the staff, save the DC and LB coach....that's a lot in three years.  You are correct, I don't have a lot of confidence in McDermott.  Not sure when is a good time to voice that which will satisfy you, as well as the other McD fan-types.

I love it! You dive headfirst into a pool of horse manure, then come up swimming the Butterfly!

AWESOME!

[muppy]

18 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

It might just be that since no one has come forward saying they're going to kneel he can hardly kneel in solidarity with them. But it is pretty open ended who knows what he'll do.

 

supporting  his players and kneeling with them isnt necessairiy the same thing... He can support those that kneel and still stand. Standing for the anthem doesnt mean folks dont sympathize with BLM issues. Maybe they feel that kneeling is meant as a religious statement Not a political one for starters....As far as Im concerned I wont be one taking notice and making lists about who does and doesn't it isn't indicative of their hearts IMO

[IDBillzFan]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Nearly every off season post would disappear were that true.

 

I disagree. Offseason is ridiculously boring. I watched one poster start a thread exclusively to call out a Bills fan for the clothes he was wearing at a game.

 

That thread would never survive the regular season but it survives in the off season because there is not much to talk about about.

 

When the kneeling threads start during the regular season, the threads will start, but you'll see the large number of fans who just want players to STFU and play football.

 

I know it's politically correct to post stupid black boxes these days and get emails from my pet store ensuring I know that Black Lives Matter to them, but mark my words; America  is tired of this stuff overflowing into their past times. Like I said,  people can get their feelz somewhere else without having to have it forced into their past times.

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:

I tend to agree with you about Harbaugh.  I like him.  

 

I wasn't making a point about Harbaugh so much as I was about McDermott.  He seems to ALWAYS be like this - he doesn't waste a minute on things he can't control.  

Harbaugh is a complainer. It doesn’t make him a good coach or a bad coach. It makes him a complainer.  I think he’s a good coach, his SB and overall record speaks for itself.  McDermott might be bitching about it too behind closed doors. He’s just not an overt complainer. 

[Mr. WEO]

8 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

I disagree. Offseason is ridiculously boring. I watched one poster start a thread exclusively to call out a Bills fan for the clothes he was wearing at a game.

 

That thread would never survive the regular season but it survives in the off season because there is not much to talk about about.

 

When the kneeling threads start during the regular season, the threads will start, but you'll see the large number of fans who just want players to STFU and play football.

 

I know it's politically correct to post stupid black boxes these days and get emails from my pet store ensuring I know that Black Lives Matter to them, but mark my words; America  is tired of this stuff overflowing into their past times. Like I said,  people can get their feelz somewhere else without having to have it forced into their past times.

 

 

I just said that.  Why are you disagreeing with me?

[YoloinOhio]

59 minutes ago, Muppy said:

supporting  his players and kneeling with them isnt necessairiy the same thing... He can support those that kneel and still stand. Standing for the anthem doesnt mean folks dont sympathize with BLM issues. Maybe they feel that kneeling is meant as a religious statement Not a political one for starters....As far as Im concerned I wont be one taking notice and making lists about who does and doesn't it isn't indicative of their hearts IMO

I don’t care who does or doesn’t kneel and never have. McD may or may not kneel, that’s his right either way. He’s saying he supports whatever the players choose to do, regardless. As it should be, it’s a personal choice imo. 

[Mark Vader]

2 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

I’m glad he mentioned Poyer, I bet his raise came with some expectation of leaning into a leadership role.

Too bad Poyer is not the leader in his house.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:

All I know about him is what I hear from him and from others around him. There was a lot of talk about what he is like on the Sunday night game against the Steelers, because the two head coaches were teammates in college. There also have been articles about him describing his work ethic, his personality, etc. Everything I've seen makes it sound like he's the ultimate nice guy combined with the ultimate Type A workaholic. 

 

When the Clintons were in their last year in the White House, I read an article about the Clintons and the Gores. It said they'd have dinner together occasionally at the White House, and after dinner they'd often spend several hours together. Hilary and Al talked political science theory all night; Bill and Tipper drank and laughed a lot. If they could have gotten McDermott to stay after dinner, he would have been with Hilary and Al. 

 

I'm sure he's a nice man who is type A hard working.  That's not at all unique in his postition.

 

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

Harbaugh is a complainer. It doesn’t make him a good coach or a bad coach. It makes him a complainer.  I think he’s a good coach, his SB and overall record speaks for itself.  McDermott might be bitching about it too behind closed doors. He’s just not an overt complainer. 

 

 

Voicing concerns about the protocols problems doesn't make him a complainer.  It gives voice to the issue at the HC level.

 

Bitching about it with a few colleagues in your office does not move the issue forward.

[Shaw66]

23 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I'm sure he's a nice man who is type A hard working.  That's not at all unique in his postition.

 

You're right. He isn't unique because he is a Type A. I think, but dont really know, that he is dedicated to constant improvement, both for himself and for his team, all the time.  That's what makes him different. 

[Mr. WEO]

8 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

You're right. He isn't unique because he is a Type A. I think, but dont really know, that he is dedicated to constant improvement, both for himself and for his team, all the time.  That's what makes him different. 

 

 

From whom?

[hondo in seattle]

3 hours ago, Happy said:

 

My point is, as stated, I don't think McDermott is the best person to evaluate who will make a good coach.  Having such a turnover in staff can be interpreted that he is learning as he goes along, but it also signifies that he did not (and may still not) know what makes a good coach.  Should we expect turnover?  Sure; Brian Flores turned over the OC in Miami, so that happens.  But most of the staff, save the DC and LB coach....that's a lot in three years.  You are correct, I don't have a lot of confidence in McDermott.  Not sure when is a good time to voice that which will satisfy you, as well as the other McD fan-types.

 

I don't think the turnover reflects badly on McD at all.

When McD was named HC, I'm sure he knew who he wanted on this staff.  I'm also sure that most of the coaches he wanted were already under contract.  So he hired the best staff he could from a limited pool of available NFL-caliber coaches.

Since then McD has been working diligently to upgrade his staff as a good HC should.  Belichick didn't begin his tenure in New England with his dream staff either.  It takes time to put  a high performing coaching staff together.   And it seems to me McD is methodically and successfully assembling a highly competent team of subordinate coaches.  

 

 

[Shaw66]

15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

From whom?

From a lot of NFL coaches.  McDermott is about details like Belichick is.  

[QCity]

2 hours ago, Warcodered said:

 

 

 

 

This should really bring out the "I'm done with the NFL" posts, which are always fun to read. No seriously guys, I mean it this time. I'm gonna leave. I'm not joking anymore. 

[BringBackFlutie]

4 minutes ago, QCity said:

 

 

This should really bring out the "I'm done with the NFL" posts, which are always fun to read. No seriously guys, I mean it this time. I'm gonna leave. I'm not joking anymore. 

It's like they're bluffing, but to what end?  

[eball]

2 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He didn't answer the question; he reiterated the answer to another question.  It was a simple yes/no.  I would give him full credit had he answered either way. 

 

Well we all know McD's primary purpose in life is to receive "full credit" from you!  Was there an official "I'll kneel or I won't kneel" deadline I and others missed?

 

I'll say to those who don't support the right of players to peacefully kneel the same thing I said years ago -- if that's what it takes for you to give up the NFL, don't let the door hit ya' where the good lord split ya!

[Doc]

McD's answer basically said he's not kneeling but he'll support anyone who does.  Good policy.

 

As for Harbaugh, sure he's a complainer but he's also a very good HC, although he did have one of the best talent evaluators in Ozzy Newsome.  He's better right now because he's been a HC for 12 seasons whereas McD has been one for 3.  But he's not available and I like where the team is headed under McD.  Hopefully SB win by year at least year 5, and then some more.

[stony]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

McD's answer basically said he's not kneeling but he'll support anyone who does.  Good policy.

 

As for Harbaugh, sure he's a complainer but he's also a very good HC, although he did have one of the best talent evaluators in Ozzy Newsome.  He's better right now because he's been a HC for 12 seasons whereas McD has been one for 3.  But he's not available and I like where the team is headed under McD.  Hopefully SB win by year at least year 5, and then some more.

Great policy.

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

From a lot of NFL coaches.  McDermott is about details like Belichick is.  

 

A lot of NFL HC's are not about details like that?  I don't believe that. 

2 hours ago, eball said:

 

Well we all know McD's primary purpose in life is to receive "full credit" from you!  Was there an official "I'll kneel or I won't kneel" deadline I and others missed?

 

I'll say to those who don't support the right of players to peacefully kneel the same thing I said years ago -- if that's what it takes for you to give up the NFL, don't let the door hit ya' where the good lord split ya!

 

Besides missing the point, he was asked a simple question and didn't answer directly.  He repeated a non-answer.  Choices were "yes, I'll kneel with my players who kneel" or "no, I won't but I fully support any of my players who do".  Simple.  Bill O'Brien ,of all people, didn't struggle with that plain question.

 

I don't care who doesn't kneel,  kneels, stands, sits.  It's all theater at this point.  They should just get rid of the anthem at games.  It has nothing at all to do with what is about to transpire.  Play ball.

Edited June 17, 2020 by Mr. WEO

[RiotAct]

28 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

A lot of NFL HC's are not about details like that?  I don't believe that. 

 

Besides missing the point, he was asked a simple question and didn't answer directly.  He repeated a non-answer.  Choices were "yes, I'll kneel with my players who kneel" or "no, I won't but I fully support any of my players who do".  Simple.

 

I don't care who doesn't kneel,  kneels, stands, sits.  It's all theater at this point.  They should just get rid of the anthem at games.  It has nothing at all to do with what is about to transpire.  Play ball.

yes but a lot of people do.  If he answers “No” straight-up, he probably comes under fire from a ton of different people.

[PromoTheRobot]

8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Yea he straight up avoided answering the YES OR NO question....but why would players call up McDermott and ask if they had his support to kneel? I’m sure they don’t give a ***** what he thinks and they’ll do whatever they feel and believe themselves. 

 

Just don't show up to camp in an OANN t-shirt.

[Shaw66]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

A lot of NFL HC's are not about details like that?  I don't believe that.

Rex wasn't. Gailey wasn't. Marrone wasn't. I'd guess most aren't. Players who played for Belichick say he is differen about details. McDermott is like Bill.  

[Dr. Who]

7 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Rex wasn't. Gailey wasn't. Marrone wasn't. I'd guess most aren't. Players who played for Belichick say he is differen about details. McDermott is like Bill.  

So we're videotaping other teams' practices, stealing their signals, and deflating footballs?

[Don Otreply]

8 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I think this points up what makes McDermott so unusual. He refuses to approach any challenge from the point of view that it's impossible. Seems silly, I know, but that's who he is and who he wants his players to be. Whatever rules the league hands down, whatever the schedule is going look like, whatever day he had to play on, none of it deters McDermott. His response is always the same: "Okay, let's get to work."

 

Put another way, McDermott sees absolutely no value in complaining. Every minute spend complaining is time lost. While Harbaugh is complaining, McDermott is working. 

I do like your take ?

[Doc]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said:

So we're videotaping other teams' practices, stealing their signals, and deflating footballs?

 

Well, McD is not about those details...

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, Doc said:

 

Well, McD is not about those details...

Just a joke for the benefit of any Pats* fans who like to hang out here.

[Don Otreply]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

From whom?

Most humans on this planet, 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, RiotAct said:

yes but a lot of people do.  If he answers “No” straight-up, he probably comes under fire from a ton of different people.

Why not answer it now?  Then by the time comes to kneel or stand no one will care.  Why make it an issue at the beginning of the season?

 

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Yea he straight up avoided answering the YES OR NO question....but why would players call up McDermott and ask if they had his support to kneel? I’m sure they don’t give a ***** what he thinks and they’ll do whatever they feel and believe themselves. 

That’s not what he was asked.

 

22 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Rex wasn't. Gailey wasn't. Marrone wasn't. I'd guess most aren't. Players who played for Belichick say he is differen about details. McDermott is like Bill.  

A couple of Bills HC failures leads to conclude that the majority of McDs current peers are not highly detail oriented? 
 

That’s not convincing at all.  BB is at the far end of the spectrum but he doesn’t define the term exclusively.

 

We’ll disagree.

[IDBillzFan]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

Why not answer it now?  Then by the time comes to kneel or stand no one will care.  Why make it an issue at the beginning of the season?

 

I'm starting to get the distinct feeling you're not a McDermott fan.

[Dopey]

9 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He didn't answer the question; he reiterated the answer to another question.  It was a simple yes/no.  I would give him full credit had he answered either way. 

He answered the question how he saw best. It might seem to be an easy yes/no question, but there is no easy yes/no answer. Oh, and I don't think he gives a damn about you giving him full credit. 

[Mark Long Beach]

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Yea he straight up avoided answering the YES OR NO question....but why would players call up McDermott and ask if they had his support to kneel? I’m sure they don’t give a ***** what he thinks and they’ll do whatever they feel and believe themselves. 

 

"So, have you stopped beating your wife?"  

 

Simple yes or no question...   So go ahead and answer it with only a one word "yes" or "no". 

 

There's a lot more carried along in the original question than a simple "yes" or "no" can answer.  He answered the question conveying strong support of whatever his players do.  That absolutely is an answer and not an avoidance.

[eball]

11 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Besides missing the point, he was asked a simple question and didn't answer directly.  He repeated a non-answer.  Choices were "yes, I'll kneel with my players who kneel" or "no, I won't but I fully support any of my players who do".  Simple.  Bill O'Brien ,of all people, didn't struggle with that plain question.

 

I don't care who doesn't kneel,  kneels, stands, sits.  It's all theater at this point.  They should just get rid of the anthem at games.  It has nothing at all to do with what is about to transpire.  Play ball.

 

I didn’t miss any point.  You’re simply being a contrarian as always, which is your right.  McD doesn’t owe anyone a “yes or no” answer to that question, and the truth is he may not know the answer (hasn’t decided) at this point in time.  The important thing, which he conveyed, is that he has told his players he will support them.  I don’t believe there is a player in the NFL who would look at a teammate or coach not kneeling and interpret that to mean that player or coach doesn’t also support social justice.  “Kneeling or not kneeling” is insignificant; what matters is what is in a person’s heart and how they act in their everyday life.  The players know McD supports them and that is really all that matters.

 

Edited June 18, 2020 by eball

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, eball said:

 

I didn’t miss any point.  You’re simply being a contrarian as always, which is your right.  McD doesn’t owe anyone a “yes or no” answer to that question, and the truth is he may not know the answer (hasn’t decided) at this point in time.  The important thing, which he conveyed, is that he has told his players he will support them.  I don’t believe there is a player in the NFL who would look at a teammate or coach not kneeling and interpret that to mean that player or coach doesn’t also support social justice.  “Kneeling or not kneeling” is insignificant; what matters is what is in a person’s heart and how they act in their everyday life.  The players know McD supports them and that is really all that matters.

 

Yes that much he made clear.

 

Nothing about my post was contrarian.  I noted that he chose not to answer an obvious and simple question that at least one of his colleagues had no hesitation answering days ago.  I think there’s no chance that he “hasn’t decided” yet.  NO coach today is NOTgoing to support his players in their choice to kneel or not, so it’s not a distinction worth mentioning..