“Cancel” / Knee-Jerk Culture of 2020 and beyond

[Numark3]

46 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I guess it is gonna work both ways. You will not like the new rules when you are made to live by them...
 

 

 

do we all agree this guy is a giant baby?  Someone yelled something at him, he had to go get her on video tape and is trying to make her lose her job.  I cannot stand cancel culture from either political party.

 

grow up

[IDBillzFan]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Canceling Goya made me go online and order a bunch of their stuff. ?‍♂️

 

 

The Goya thing is a perfect example of just how demented the left is with its cancel culture. They are literally trying to shut down an Hispanic-owned business that employs 10s of thousands of people because the owner likes Trump. I remember how successful they were shutting down Chick-Fil-A. I'm sure this Goya thing will be equally successful.

 

I've said it repeatedly; I could never be a Democrat based on how unbelievably stupid they are.

 

Edited July 10, 2020 by IDBillzFan

[Buffalo_Gal]

I do not know if anyone here has been following the Harper's Magazine brouhaha. They even take a swipe at Trump and his supporters, but it has not been enough for cancel-culture fans!

 

A Letter on Justice and Open Debate
 

Our cultural institutions are facing a moment of trial. Powerful protests for racial and social justice are leading to overdue demands for police reform, along with wider calls for greater equality and inclusion across our society, not least in higher education, journalism, philanthropy, and the arts. But this needed reckoning has also intensified a new set of moral attitudes and political commitments that tend to weaken our norms of open debate and toleration of differences in favor of ideological conformity. As we applaud the first development, we also raise our voices against the second. The forces of illiberalism are gaining strength throughout the world and have a powerful ally in Donald Trump, who represents a real threat to democracy. But resistance must not be allowed to harden into its own brand of dogma or coercion—which right-wing demagogues are already exploiting. The democratic inclusion we want can be achieved only if we speak out against the intolerant climate that has set in on all sides.

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This stifling atmosphere will ultimately harm the most vital causes of our time. The restriction of debate, whether by a repressive government or an intolerant society, invariably hurts those who lack power and makes everyone less capable of democratic participation. The way to defeat bad ideas is by exposure, argument, and persuasion, not by trying to silence or wish them away. We refuse any false choice between justice and freedom, which cannot exist without each other. As writers we need a culture that leaves us room for experimentation, risk taking, and even mistakes. We need to preserve the possibility of good-faith disagreement without dire professional consequences. If we won’t defend the very thing on which our work depends, we shouldn’t expect the public or the state to defend it for us.
 

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Signed by 153 people (journalists, authors, and writers)
 

There have been a lot of responses to this letter.
 

 

Today's response has 23 people from academia and journalism  poo-pooing the call for civility and free expression:
 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

11 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

do we all agree this guy is a giant baby?  Someone yelled something at him, he had to go get her on video tape and is trying to make her lose her job.  I cannot stand cancel culture from either political party.

 

grow up

Imagine being a business owner. Your hired staff (the store manager in this case) is standing in the doorway, and randomly calls out to a passerby "***** You." Are you happy with that employee? Do you want that employee representing your brand? Do you think that encourages consumers to enter the store and shop?

I took out the "***** Trump" while wearing a piece of Trump branded apparel so as not to trigger anyone with Trump's name. Simply imagine it was a random F-U to a passerby. While on the job. While in your store. While representing your brand. 

That is no bueno.

 

[Numark3]

Just now, Buffalo_Gal said:

Imagine being a business owner. Your hired staff (the store manager in this case) is standing in the doorway, and randomly calls out to a passerby "***** You." Are you happy with that employee? Do you want that employee representing your brand? Do you think that encourages consumers to enter the store and shop?

I took out the "***** Trump" while wearing a piece of Trump branded apparel so as not to trigger anyone with Trump's name. Simply imagine it was a random F-U to a passerby. While on the job. While in your store. While representing your brand. 

That is no bueno.

 

it is not good and it is wrong.  But also, the guy needs to grow up.  Since when do we whine to brands on social media and try to get people fired?  It’s pathetic

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, Crayola64 said:

it is not good and it is wrong.  But also, the guy needs to grow up.  Since when do we whine to brands on social media and try to get people fired?  It’s pathetic

If she had simply been passing by the guy on the street and said, "***** Trump," I would agree with you. Because she was at her job, representing her employer, and randomly  shouts an expletive at someone passing by, she at minimum needs some disciplinary action. However,  if I am the employer I fire her as it simply is not something to be condoned when representing my store, my brand. Who knows what else she has done on the job when not being recorded. The trust would be completely gone. And as the store manager, she must be trustworthy.

 

 

[Numark3]

7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

If she had simply been passing by the guy on the street and said, "***** Trump," I would agree with you. Because she was at her job, representing her employer, and randomly  shouts an expletive at someone passing by, she at minimum needs some disciplinary action. However,  if I am the employer I fire her as it simply is not something to be condoned when representing my store, my brand. Who knows what else she has done on the job when not being recorded. The trust would be completely gone. And as the store manager, she must be trustworthy.

 

 

that’s fine I suppose, but I just live my life differently.  If an employee or manager is doing something wrong, I just won’t shop there again or I will ignore it.  I won’t have the urge to film them, post it on social media, and call for them to be fired.  Nor would I tell on them in person. It’s childish imo
 

it is just something I don’t believe in.  

[Buffalo_Gal]

Just now, Crayola64 said:

that’s fine I suppose, but I just live my life differently.  If an employee or manager is doing something wrong, I just won’t shop there again or I will ignore it.  I won’t have the urge to film them, post it on social media, and call for them to be fired.  Nor would I tell on them in person. It’s childish imo
 

it is just something I don’t believe in.  

That is fine for you. However, as her employer, I WOULD want to know about this. 

 

[B-Man]

‘Nails it perfectly’! Charles Payne drops the truth hammer on AOC and lefties trying to cancel Goya Foods for having a CEO that doesn’t hate Trump

 

 

 

 

[Numark3]

9 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

That is fine for you. However, as her employer, I WOULD want to know about this. 

 

well, employers would like to know about a lot of the cancel culture stuff.  So I hope you are consistent that it is warranted if the employer “would want to know about” it...

[Buffalo_Gal]

3 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

well, employers would like to know about a lot of the cancel culture stuff.  So I hope you are consistent that it is warranted if the employer “would want to know about” it...

When on the job? As a business I certainly would want to know about it.

[BillsFanNC]

If a random employee of a business that I'm just passing by yells out an F bomb at me while I'm with my family, then you better believe I will confront that person.  Will I film the confrontation and post it on social media?  No, because I'm an adult born well before the early 80's.

[Numark3]

20 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

If a random employee of a business that I'm just passing by yells out an F bomb at me while I'm with my family, then you better believe I will confront that person.  Will I film the confrontation and post it on social media?  No, because I'm an adult born well before the early 80's.

right, that’s my point and I fully agree.  It is wrong for the employee and they deserve to be confronted.  But I’m not a child

[IDBillzFan]

33 minutes ago, Crayola64 said:

right, that’s my point and I fully agree.  It is wrong for the employee and they deserve to be confronted.  But I’m not a child

 

The GOYA thing must really be pissing you off.

 

Frankly I'm not a fan of using social media to complain to an employer. I go directly to the employer if there is an issue. If I was of the mindset to video that woman, I'd send them video to the employer, not to the world. But many turn to social media to air their complaints in hopes of going viral. I wouldn't be surprised if Trump re-tweeted that dude's video. That's the allure, for better or worse.

 

Still others use it to get employers to correct a bad situation. I constantly see people tweeting out to hotels and airlines because of poor service and/or treatment; sometimes it works and the company responds right away to get the person off social media and into DMs. 

 

 

[Big Blitz]

Just a Congresswoman calling for the boycott of a Latino run company.  Nothing to see here.

 

 

 

And this clown.  Also, nothing to see here.

 

 

 

 

But Trump is the fascist.  Ok.  Oh and a racist that hates brown people.  

[Buffalo_Gal]

Starting at the 3 minute mark, he talks about  the difference in reactions when he worked with the Obama administration vs his working with the Trump administration:

At 4:45, he talks about how the Trump administration has removed roadblocks to creating jobs.
 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

Just a Congresswoman calling for the boycott of a Latino run company.  Nothing to see here.

 

 

 

And this clown.  Also, nothing to see here.

 

 

 

 

But Trump is the fascist.  Ok.  Oh and a racist that hates brown people.  

 

That's the thing that REALLY irks me about this "movement."

 

They call themselves tolerant when they're anything but. They're illiberal, illogical and anti-American.

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

4 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

That's the thing that REALLY irks me about this "movement."

 

They call themselves tolerant when they're anything but. They're illiberal, illogical and anti-American.

 

So, buy some Goya products today. 

I was surprised yesterday when someone in one of my Facebook groups started spewing how disappointed she was in their CEO.  Her reasons made no sense whatsoever (and she started with the Trump administration puts Hispanic kids in cages which I quickly linked to lefty snopes to tell her, uh no -lefties listen to snopes so "when even snopes has it..."). By the end of the discussion she was out of the boycott and going to email them how "disappointed" she was (she didn't even know why he was there!)

I swear people get so sucked into this fake-***** on social media, and I have no idea why. Buzzfeed click-bait headlines have infested out entire society, and no one researches or thinks for themselves these days. /rant off, not directed at you at all, Joe ? simply a rant about sheep

Charles Payne pointed out what a terrific company Goya is today:
 

 

Edited July 11, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

So, but some Goya products today. 

I was surprised yesterday when someone in one of my Facebook groups started spewing how disappointed she was in their CEO.  Her reasons made no sense whatsoever (and she started with the Trump administration puts Hispanic kids in cages which I quickly linked to lefty snopes to tell her, uh no -lefties listen to snopes so "when even snopes has it..."). By the end of the discussion she was out of the boycott and going to email them how "disappointed" she was (she didn't even know why he was there!)

I swear people get so sucked into this fake-***** on social media, and I have no idea why. Buzzfeed click-bait headlines have infested out entire society, and no one researches or thinks for themselves these days. /rant off, not directed at you at all, Joe ? simply a rant about sheep

Charles Payne pointed out what a terrific company Goya is today:
 

 

 

No offense taken. I've largely abandoned Facebook as a platform in favor of all things....Twitter.

 

It's gotten THAT bad.

 

[Orlando Tim]

4 hours ago, Crayola64 said:

do we all agree this guy is a giant baby?  Someone yelled something at him, he had to go get her on video tape and is trying to make her lose her job.  I cannot stand cancel culture from either political party.

 

grow up

If he was walking by with his family and she yelled FU then he I am ok with it. This also shows how dishonest you are, at no point is this cancel culture and you know it.  To be fired for behavior at work while working is absolutely proper, if she said it on the street and he went out of his way to find her and get her fired that is different.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

57 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

That's the thing that REALLY irks me about this "movement."

 

They call themselves tolerant when they're anything but. They're illiberal, illogical and anti-American.

 

 

 

 

...in all honesty Joe, it ranks right up there with my "morning movement".....at least that's "substantive"..............

[IDBillzFan]

1 hour ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

That's the thing that REALLY irks me about this "movement."

 

They call themselves tolerant when they're anything but. They're illiberal, illogical and anti-American.

 

 

What's predictably stupid about it is the boycott is strictly and exclusively because the guy likes Trump.

 

That's it.

 

That a mop bucket like AOC would call for the boycott of an Hispanic-owned company for this reason is no surprise because she carries the collective intellect of a Penfield/Kemp love child. But I see lot of other, smarter people jumping in, and it's just embarrassing that people can be so ridiculously intolerant for such a childish reason.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

What's predictably stupid about it is the boycott is strictly and exclusively because the guy likes Trump.

 

That's it.

 

That a mop bucket like AOC would call for the boycott of an Hispanic-owned company for this reason is no surprise because she carries the collective intellect of a Penfield/Kemp love child. But I see lot of other, smarter people jumping in, and it's just embarrassing that people can be so ridiculously intolerant for such a childish reason.

Well, they're not REALLY Hispanic, don't you know? Kind of like Terry Crews isn't REALLY black.

 

 

[njbuff]

That disgusting hideous "Squad" need to be canceled.

 

Nothing but a bunch of white-hating racists in that group.

 

There have to be normal voters in their districts to get them the hell out of office, aren't there?

5 minutes ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

What's predictably stupid about it is the boycott is strictly and exclusively because the guy likes Trump.

 

That's it.

 

That a mop bucket like AOC would call for the boycott of an Hispanic-owned company for this reason is no surprise because she carries the collective intellect of a Penfield/Kemp love child. But I see lot of other, smarter people jumping in, and it's just embarrassing that people can be so ridiculously intolerant for such a childish reason.

 

All the people you mentioned have a combined IQ that is less than the fingers you hold up in your right hand at any point.

Edited July 10, 2020 by njbuff

[Big Blitz]

3 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

That's the thing that REALLY irks me about this "movement."

 

They call themselves tolerant when they're anything but. They're illiberal, illogical and anti-American.

 

 

 

She represents Queens.

 

Anyone ask this imbecile about the Covid deaths in her district the way they do Rubio or Cruz or Gaetz?

[GG]

2 hours ago, IDBillzFan said:

 

What's predictably stupid about it is the boycott is strictly and exclusively because the guy likes Trump.

 

That's it.

 

That a mop bucket like AOC would call for the boycott of an Hispanic-owned company for this reason is no surprise because she carries the collective intellect of a Penfield/Kemp love child. But I see lot of other, smarter people jumping in, and it's just embarrassing that people can be so ridiculously intolerant for such a childish reason.

The economics honor graduate helped kick Amazon out of Queens, and is now advocating boycotting another NY area company.  

 

People are stupid.  

[ALF]

22 minutes ago, GG said:

The economics honor graduate helped kick Amazon out of Queens, and is now advocating boycotting another NY area company.  

 

People are stupid.  

 

There is a group on Grand Island trying to keep Amazon out , just beyond belief. Good jobs and property tax revenue stay away for these idiots like AOC

[reddogblitz]

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

So, but some Goya products today. 

I was surprised yesterday when someone in one of my Facebook groups started spewing how disappointed she was in their CEO.  Her reasons made no sense whatsoever (and she started with the Trump administration puts Hispanic kids in cages which I quickly linked to lefty snopes to tell her, uh no -lefties listen to snopes so "when even snopes has it..."). By the end of the discussion she was out of the boycott and going to email them how "disappointed" she was (she didn't even know why he was there!)

I swear people get so sucked into this fake-***** on social media, and I have no idea why. Buzzfeed click-bait headlines have infested out entire society, and no one researches or thinks for themselves these days. /rant off, not directed at you at all, Joe ? simply a rant about sheep

Charles Payne pointed out what a terrific company Goya is today:
 

 

 

social media is leading to the downfall of society.  It's so divisive it's hard to see how we can ever have any semblance of unity.

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

15 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

social media is leading to the downfall of society.  It's so divisive it's hard to see how we can ever have any semblance of unity.

 

...DAMN RIGHT....it is an explosive, unsubstantiated cesspool of garbage....YEARS ago, when the news industry HAD honor with the likes of Huntley, Brinkley, Murrow, Cronkite et al, fact checking homework was done prior to publication....today?...ANYBODY can post anything with NO substantiation on social media and the scurrilous MSM uses it as fact, UNCHECKED.....look at some of the "factual (COUGH) garbage" used here in alleged dissertations, discussions, etc as "gospel"......then you wonder why PPP is becoming the "new swamp".......sad trajectory...........

[B-Man]

 

 

Is Sex Real? Do Women Menstruate? Author Gets #Canceled For Standing With J.K. Rowling

 

 

[B-Man]

RIDICULOUS: Twitter Mob Tries to Cancel Actress Over RUMOR She’s Dating Trump Fan

One Hollywood actress may find her career in jeopardy over the mere rumor that she is dating a Trump supporter. Imagine that. Just because Killing Eve actress Jodie Comer may be seeing someone who has a different political opinion, it means she deserves abuse from the hateful leftwing mob and perhaps worse.

 

At a time when people are being fired from their jobs for “liking” anti-BLM statements on social media, dating a Trump supporter might as well earn someone capital punishment in the eyes of these leftist freaks.

 

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/gabriel-hays/2020/07/10/ridiculous-twitter-mob-tries-cancel-actress-over-rumor-shes

 

 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Erm, I looked and looked... I do not think this is a parody account. 
 

 

[Koko78]

4 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Erm, I looked and looked... I do not think this is a parody account. 
 

 

 

Heh, he quite literally locked down his account as I was looking at the comments to his post.

[Buffalo_Gal]

19 minutes ago, Koko78 said:

 

Heh, he quite literally locked down his account as I was looking at the comments to his post.

I wish I had taken a screenshot!

[Nanker]

14 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Erm, I looked and looked... I do not think this is a parody account. 
 

 

? 

 

[Koko78]

53 minutes ago, Nanker said:

? 

 

 

Tweet from a soyboy whining he was fired from his retail management job for wearing a 'We shoot racists' t-shirt at work.

[Buffalo_Gal]

52 minutes ago, Nanker said:

? 

 

There was a 20-something who got fired from a job for wearing a said, We Shoot Racists t-shirt.  He then named the black-owned (his words) company that fired him. It was not going well for him, although he did have a few "SUE!" people in comments.

[Chef Jim]

42 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

There was a 20-something who got fired from a job for wearing a said, We Shoot Racists t-shirt.  He then named the black-owned (his words) company that fired him. It was not going well for him, although he did have a few "SUE!" people in comments.

“Black owned”?  I wonder if he turned the gun on himself?  

[B-Man]

 

 

ONLY the Left's view is allowed !

 

A sign that says "The right to openly discuss ideas must be defended" brings out the absolute worst in people.

 

Posted by Ann Althouse 

 

 

"This practice of reading someone's words in an attempt to look for 'dogwhistles' is the opposite of 'charitable interpretation'..."

 

"... which means 'interpreting a speaker's statements in the most rational way possible and, in the case of any argument, considering its best, strongest possible interpretation.' In contrast, dogwhistle hunting is the practice of interpreting someone's words in the most unreasonable or offensive way imaginable."