“Cancel” / Knee-Jerk Culture of 2020 and beyond

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[BillStime]

 

[B-Man]

15 hours ago, BillStime said:

 

 

 

Wrong thread.

 

 

 

 

 

Cancel Culture’s Dual Meaning Is a War for America’s Soul

by Ken Blackwell

 

Original Article

 

“Cancel culture” is a double entendre of the dangerous kind. It is not just about canceling individuals or entities who offend leftist activists and their myopic group of minions, it is about fundamentally canceling America.

 

The rabid left is actively rewriting American history as being inherently bad from the start, as it has no excuse to change our culture if there is anything arguably good about it. Therefore, our values, historical narrative, monuments and anything that makes us uniquely American must be disparaged and destroyed.

 

Tyrants throughout history have practiced cancel culture by forcibly suppressing opposition to their authoritarianism with methods similar to what the American left is using today.

[Buffalo_Gal]

I am not sure how many people here follow Legal Insurrection, but Cornell attempted to cancel Professor Jacobs. (I am pretty sure I posted something earlier in this thread)

Here is his latest interview on the matter.
 

 

[njbuff]

fvck cancel culture.

[B-Man]

 

 

LARRY ELDER: Who’s Next on the Cancel Culture Docket — Martin Luther King Jr.?!

 

 

It’s turtles  cancels all the way down.

 

 

 

 

 

[Niagara]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

LARRY ELDER: Who’s Next on the Cancel Culture Docket — Martin Luther King Jr.?!

No one will cancel MLK because...

 

...[MLK] challenged capitalism.

1. “I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic… [Capitalism] started out with a noble and high motive… but like most human systems it fell victim to the very thing it was revolting against. So today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.”
   – Letter to Coretta Scott, July 18, 1952.
2. “In a sense, you could say we’re involved in the class struggle.”
   –Quote to New York Times reporter, José Igelsias, 1968.
3. “And one day we must ask the question, ‘Why are there forty million poor people in America? And when you begin to ask that question, you are raising questions about the economic system, about a broader distribution of wealth.’ When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy. And I’m simply saying that more and more, we’ve got to begin to ask questions about the whole society…”
   –Speech to Southern Christian Leadership Conference Atlanta, Georgia, August 16, 1967.
4. “Capitalism forgets that life is social. And the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism, but in a higher synthesis.”
   –Speech to Southern Christian Leadership Conference Atlanta, Georgia, August 16, 1967.
5. “Call it democracy, or call it democratic socialism, but there must be a better distribution of wealth within this country for all God’s children.”
   – Speech to the ***** American Labor Council, 1961.
6. “We must recognize that we can’t solve our problem now until there is a radical redistribution of economic and political power… this means a revolution of values and other things. We must see now that the evils of racism, economic exploitation and militarism are all tied together… you can’t really get rid of one without getting rid of the others… the whole structure of American life must be changed. America is a hypocritical nation and [we] must put [our] own house in order.”
   - Report to SCLC Staff, May 1967.
7. “The evils of capitalism are as real as the evils of militarism and evils of racism.”
   –Speech to SCLC  Board, March 30, 1967.
8. “I am now convinced that the simplest approach will prove to be the most effective – the solution to poverty is to abolish it directly by a now widely discussed matter: the guaranteed income… The curse of poverty has no justification in our age. It is socially as cruel and blind as the practice of cannibalism at the dawn of civilization, when men ate each other because they had not yet learned to take food from the soil or to consume the abundant animal life around them. The time has come for us to civilize ourselves by the total, direct and immediate abolition of poverty.”
   – Where do We Go from Here?, 1967.
9. “You can’t talk about solving the economic problem of the ***** without talking about billions of dollars. You can’t talk about ending the slums without first saying profit must be taken out of slums. You’re really tampering and getting on dangerous ground because you are messing with folk then. You are messing with captains of industry. Now this means that we are treading in difficult water, because it really means that we are saying that something is wrong with capitalism.”
   – Speech to his staff, 1966.
10. “[W]e are saying that something is wrong … with capitalism…. There must be better distribution of wealth and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism.”
    – Speech to his staff, 1966.
11. “If America does not use her vast resources of wealth to end poverty and make it possible for all of God’s children to have the basic necessities of life, she too will go to hell.”
    - Speech at Bishop Charles Mason Temple of the Church of God in Christ in support of the Memphis sanitation workers’ strike on March 18^th, 1968, two weeks before he was assassinated.

Edited July 26, 2020 by Niagara

[Niagara]

On 7/22/2020 at 5:05 PM, B-Man said:

Defeating Cancel Culture Is Way Easier Than We Think It Is

 

 

 

The bullying only seems to stop when the bullied make it consequential for the bully to act out on them. A measure of pain inflicted on those who inflict it tends to teach them that attempting to dominate someone results in very real pain. One doesn’t even necessarily have to win the fight. Inflict damage and the bully begins to have second thoughts about making you a victim.

So how do we do this to cancel culture?

...our real target isn’t the people doing the canceling, it’s the businesses that are caving.

What cancel culture really is, is a boycott war at its heart.

Cancel culture wouldn’t have any teeth if businesses and government bodies didn’t capitulate. 

This means that the moment a business caves to cancel culture, not only must you make them understand that what they did was wrong through social media, but do what Americans have done for ages and begin voting with your wallet.

China uses cancel culture on NBA, US farmers and more.  The cc threat is often just as effective as the deed. The liberals use cc often, but defeating it is not easy bc he who strikes first usually wins if businesses cave like the NFL Redskins.

[Niagara]

Has anyone noticed Yahoo has canceled your ability to comment. Controlled discussion and thought is the future of our China like future society. Beijing Biden will speed it along.

[Buffalo_Gal]

19 minutes ago, Niagara said:

Has anyone noticed Yahoo has canceled your ability to comment. Controlled discussion and thought is the future of our China like future society. Beijing Biden will speed it along.

 

 Yup, they keep asking you to fill out a survey as to whether or not they should keep comments. I am now looking for a new homepage. It was basically a liberal talking points aggregator. The comments would let me know if it was a trial balloon or what the real story was. Without comments? Meh, not worth the time.

 

 

[RiotAct]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

 Yup, they keep asking you to fill out a survey as to whether or not they should keep comments. I am now looking for a new homepage. It was basically a liberal talking points aggregator. The comments would let me know if it was a trial balloon or what the real story was. Without comments? Meh, not worth the time.

 

 

Yahoo has an obvious liberal slant, but I found that the “featured” top comment was usually from somebody more conservative.   Not sure if that was an algorithm targeted towards me or what...

[DrW]

2 hours ago, Niagara said:

No one will cancel MLK because...

 

...[MLK] challenged capitalism.

 

1. “I imagine you already know that I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic… [Capitalism] started out with a noble and high motive… but like most human systems it fell victim to the very thing it was revolting against. So today capitalism has out-lived its usefulness.”
   – Letter to Coretta Scott, July 18, 1952.
2. ....

 

Did you collect all thee quotes by yourself? That would have been impressive. However, I could swear I have seen this list before. It would be good if you could give credit to the person(s) who actually did the work.

Edited July 26, 2020 by DrW

[Niagara]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

 

 Yup, they keep asking you to fill out a survey as to whether or not they should keep comments. I am now looking for a new homepage. It was basically a liberal talking points aggregator. The comments would let me know if it was a trial balloon or what the real story was. Without comments? Meh, not worth the time.

 

 

The first one is their survey, after that you can start a survey. I have used |Yahoo for email from beginning, and the comments made their articles semi bearable.

[Niagara]

8 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

Yahoo has an obvious liberal slant, but I found that the “featured” top comment was usually from somebody more conservative.   Not sure if that was an algorithm targeted towards me or what...

Liberal and often not well written, and corrected by someone's comment. Yahoo is owned by Verizon, and I do not understand corporate America's love fest with leftists.

The top post was often the oldest with most comments.

[Buffalo_Gal]

1 minute ago, Niagara said:

Liberal and often not well written, and corrected by someone's comment. Yahoo is owned by Verizon, and I do not understand corporate America's love fest with leftists.

The top post was often the oldest with most comments.

My top comment for the last 6-10 months has been a link to the complete story, regardless of where yahoo got the original story. One if the reasons I had come to like the comments.

 

 

[Niagara]

17 minutes ago, DrW said:

 

Did you collect all thee quotes by yourself? That would have been impressive. However, I could swear I have seen this list before. It would be good if you could give credit to the person(s) who actually did the work.

Kinda dumb in that who would know or care who created a list of fifty yo quotes.

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

One of the reasons I had come to like the comments.

 

 

They were the best. I would go straight to the comments and forget the story except headline

Edited July 26, 2020 by Niagara

[BillStime]

Speaking of cancel knee jerk reactions. Look what #BunkerBoy has done to the White House.

 

Cowards - sums up the GOPs (here at PPP and in DC) quite well.

 

 

[B-Man]

[Hedge]

Add mustaches to the list.

 

 

[B-Man]

‘And…?’ Sports writer notes pro golfer was wearing Blue Lives Matter wristband at tournament just ’20 minutes away from where George Floyd was killed’

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

PROF JACOBSON: “Cancel culture is meant to silence the people who don’t have protection, who don’t have power, who don’t have a platform.”

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

THEY TRIED TO HANG THAT SIGN ON ME, I SAID TAKE IT DOWN: 

 

I Survived Cancellation at Princeton. 

 

“I emphatically do not want anyone to come away with the impression that I feel victimized. Yes, I’m bruised and angry, and sad because so many people who privately say they agree with me are too frightened to state their opinions publicly. But everyone has the right to free speech—my critics and I equally.

 

I am certain that the university president was motivated by a concern for the Princeton community, as I was. We were both defending people we believe have been wronged. Each of us has every right to do this, and while we disagree about what constitutes offensive rhetoric, this is not a scandal.”

 

Overly generous, in my opinion. Charity is nice, but the way to kill cancel culture is to make it painful — even if only moderately so — for its proponents.

 

Bad behavior that is costless is far more appealing than bad behavior that has any costs at all attached.

 

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

CANCELED:

 

Loyola University has removed the name of Flannery O’Connor, the disabled Catholic woman writer of Southern Gothic stories, from a hall named after her

 

because of a petition complaining about “recent letters and postcards” written by her that employed racist language.

 

 

 

 

Flannery O’Connor died in 1964.

 

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

Remember..............it's just about Confederate generals........................."why are you defending them ?"

 

 

BAN ALL THE HISTORY! Name Change Underway At Sir Francis Drake High School.

 

 

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

"The Woke view genuinely is that unless you agree with the Woke worldview, you haven’t disagreed with the Woke worldview in an authentic way, and therefore your disagreement cannot be legitimate."

 

From "No, the Woke Won’t Debate You. Here’s Why" (a very substantial article at New Discourses).

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Louisville Businesses Threatened: Cave To ‘Demands’ For Racial Reparations Or Get Bad Online Reviews

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/louisville-businesses-threatened-cave-to-demands-for-racial-reparations-or-get-bad-online-reviews

[Buffalo_Gal]

Who knows if it will continue, or if the ratings will come back.

Details on NBA return ratings
 

 

 

And the only league that pretty much remained out of politics goes with this:
 

 

[B-Man]

3 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

And the only league that pretty much remained out of politics goes with this:
 

 

 

The "movement" to end racism is a good thing, that we all must be a part of.

 

 

Just stop using your own racism to fight it.

 

 

and you do not get to be the sole arbiters of "what is racist"

[3rdnlng]

20 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

The "movement" to end racism is a good thing, that we all must be a part of.

 

 

Just stop using your own racism to fight it.

 

 

and you do not get to be the sole arbiters of "what is racist"

Makes me want to "Skateaway" from watching hockey. Mark my words, the major sports league are the ones that will be hurt the most with all of this pandering. 

[Taro T]

12 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Makes me want to "Skateaway" from watching hockey. Mark my words, the major sports league are the ones that will be hurt the most with all of this pandering. 

 

It's almost as if each of the sports leagues are watching what the others have done and, much like how NYC followed Italy's (failed) model, none of them are noticing that the others are IMHO getting it wrong but plowing ahead regardless.

 

"We skate for black lives."  Could they possibly come up with a more pandering motto?  Politically, right now, they're each afraid of the consequences of not "showing support."  But they can express support without bashing people over the head with it.  And IMHO the majority of all the audiences want to watch sports to get away from reality for a few hours and pretend that whether Columbus beats Toronto matters in the grand scheme of things.  It doesn't but at least what's going on inside the glass is "normal." (What could be more normal than TO choking in the playoffs.  )

 

Yes, the virus is still with us.  Yes, too much of the country is still shut down for many to get back to normal.  Yes, we're still waiting for politicians to decide whether the kids can go back to school.  Yes, Portland and other cities are getting ravaged every night.  Wherever we go, masks and fear are prevalent.

 

We need to stay vigilant to keep from allowing hatred to step into the chaos and lead.  There are many that want hate to lead.

 

Having a bit of normalcy would help with keeping the fear and hatred at bay, again IMHO.  Celebrate the good things that have & are happening both with regards to this virus and race/interpersonal relations.  There's 21 other hours in the day to have the negatives highlighted.  We don't need it 24/7. 

 

(Stated way less eloquently than desired.  Just don't have the time to flesh it out better.  Oh, well.)

[B-Man]

 

 

 

THIS IS THE PLAN OF COURSE: 

 

Americans Are Self-Censoring at Record Rates. 

 

As usual, it’s the worst for the Outer Party: “So what does predict who is reluctant to speak up? The answer is that Americans are more likely to self-censor the more urban and educated they are. In a surprising reversal of the usual trends of political participation, in which citizens who have more resources feel more empowered to take an active role in civic life, it is the urbanites and the highly educated who are most afraid to speak their mind.”

 

 

 

 

[RiotAct]

SUNY Buffalo to Remove Names of Fillmore, Putnam, and Porter:

 

https://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/buffalo/ub-to-remove-names-of-fillmore-putnam-and-porter/

[B-Man]

BOYCOTTS, ‘CANCEL CULTURE’ LOSE THEIR APPEAL FOR MANY AMERICANS:

Consider the GOYA boycott organized by progressive lawmakers and activists in mid-July after Goya Foods CEO Robert Unanue publicly voiced support for President Trump. A vigorous national “BUYcott” of GOYA products from those who supported Mr. Unanue quickly followed, as did additional support.

 

“Did any of these boycotters stop to think about the impact their actions would have on the more than 13,000 bodegas in the Big Apple — and on hundreds of thousands more stores all over the country that sell Goya products, a staple of the Hispanic dining table? Did they stop to think about the thousands of black and Latino workers Goya employs?” asked Francisco Marte, secretary of the New York Bodega and Small Business Association, writing in a recent op-ed for The New York Post.

 

A simple GoFundMe effort launched in mid-July was intended to raise $10,000 to buy GOYA products and distribute them to food banks. The effort has raised $328,000 as of Monday. GOYA food donations are now arriving in multiple states — and soon — to national food bank warehouses that can distribute large deliveries.

The article goes on to mention Trader Joe’s also pushing back against cancel culture. At Ricochet, Bethany Mandel writes, “How to Handle to Mob: Stop Apologizing:”

Ellen [DeGeneres] and her producers need to take the Trader Joe’s tactic: responding to a petition that some of their labels were racist, the supermarket chain pushed back and defended themselves, saying they are not racist and they’re not going anywhere. After the first statement about justifiably troubling workplace behavior, this is what those involved in the show should have done with repeated reports of workplace malcontent. “We are sorry that these individuals speaking to you off-the-record are not happy working on one of the most successful shows in daytime history. They know how to contact HR with a resignation letter and are invited to do so at their earliest convenience.”

 

 

That’s an idea that even works in newsrooms: The Wall Street Journal hits back at staff’s ‘cancel culture.’

 

 

 

[B-Man]

 

CANCEL CULTURE PLAGUES SCIENCE, TOO: 

 

Charles Darwin advocated open debate and discussion on his theory of evolution.

 

Don’t expect the same integrity from the powers-that-be at the American Association for the Advancement of Science.

 

 

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

Boys have a penis, girls have a *****...
 

 

[BillsFanNC]

On 8/3/2020 at 11:51 AM, B-Man said:

BOYCOTTS, ‘CANCEL CULTURE’ LOSE THEIR APPEAL FOR MANY AMERICANS:

Consider the GOYA boycott organized by progressive lawmakers and activists in mid-July after Goya Foods CEO Robert Unanue publicly voiced support for President Trump. A vigorous national “BUYcott” of GOYA products from those who supported Mr. Unanue quickly followed, as did additional support.

 

“Did any of these boycotters stop to think about the impact their actions would have on the more than 13,000 bodegas in the Big Apple — and on hundreds of thousands more stores all over the country that sell Goya products, a staple of the Hispanic dining table? Did they stop to think about the thousands of black and Latino workers Goya employs?” asked Francisco Marte, secretary of the New York Bodega and Small Business Association, writing in a recent op-ed for The New York Post.

 

A simple GoFundMe effort launched in mid-July was intended to raise $10,000 to buy GOYA products and distribute them to food banks. The effort has raised $328,000 as of Monday. GOYA food donations are now arriving in multiple states — and soon — to national food bank warehouses that can distribute large deliveries.

The article goes on to mention Trader Joe’s also pushing back against cancel culture. At Ricochet, Bethany Mandel writes, “How to Handle to Mob: Stop Apologizing:”

Ellen [DeGeneres] and her producers need to take the Trader Joe’s tactic: responding to a petition that some of their labels were racist, the supermarket chain pushed back and defended themselves, saying they are not racist and they’re not going anywhere. After the first statement about justifiably troubling workplace behavior, this is what those involved in the show should have done with repeated reports of workplace malcontent. “We are sorry that these individuals speaking to you off-the-record are not happy working on one of the most successful shows in daytime history. They know how to contact HR with a resignation letter and are invited to do so at their earliest convenience.”

 

 

That’s an idea that even works in newsrooms: The Wall Street Journal hits back at staff’s ‘cancel culture.’

 

 

 

 

Absolutely.  Never, ever bend to the will of this insane cancel mob.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

10 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

Boys have a penis, girls have a *****...
 

 

 

This nation deserves to burn.

 

And be paved over with salt so nothing can ever grow again.

 

That's how inane that is.

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Absolutely.  Never, ever bend to the will of this insane cancel mob.

 

 

...should have nipped this PC crap in the bud YEARS AGO......progressives grew into a stranglehold unchallenged......2nd Amendment vs 1st Amendment, winner takes ALL.....place your bets.........

Edited August 4, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[bilzfancy]

4 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...should have nipped this PC crap in the bud YEARS AGO......progressives grew into a stranglehold unchallenged......2nd Amendment vs 1st Amendment, winner takes ALL..........

This is why this election is the most important in history, if the left wins the WH, House and Senate, we're all frocked, big time, the US as we know it will cease to exist in 5 years, if not sooner

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 minutes ago, bilzfancy said:

This is why this election is the most important in history, if the left wins the WH, House and Senate, we're all frocked, big time, the US as we know it will cease to exist in 5 years, if not sooner

 

...EXACTLY....shades of Perot's "giant sucking sound Larry".......I take my two kids and my daughter in law to Aruba annually, but got cancelled this year of course.....my daughter continually shops time shares saying, " Dad YOU HAVE to retire here"......LOL but no time share......I tell them, "your old man will probably EXPIRE before he RETIRES"......BUT....I sure as hell could retire to an island paradise versus the "left in control"......