BR - Ranking Every NFL QB's Supporting Cast for 2020

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2895219-ranking-every-nfl-qbs-supporting-cast-for-2020

 

30. Sam Darnold, New York Jets

29. Brian Hoyer/Jarrett Stidham, New England Patriots

28. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Miami Dolphins

 

>>> where's this ^ going???   <<<

 

8. Josh Allen, Buffalo Bills

• 2019 rank 24

 

With one brilliant offseason move, the Buffalo Bills gave quarterback Josh Allen a top-10 supporting cast. The trade to acquire Stefon Diggs gave Allen the true No. 1 option he has been missing and made the duo of Cole Beasley and John Brown one of the league's top complementary units.

 

Running back Devin Singletary was explosive as a rookie in 2019, racking up 775 rushing yards and 194 receiving yards while splitting time with veteran Frank Gore.

 

While Allen has yet to emerge as a consistent and reliable passer, Buffalo has put the pieces in place for him to do exactly that in 2020. 

 

I'd say I am surprised at most of that list, but then, it is Bleacher Report, so grain of salt. 

[thebandit27]

Without looking at the list, I’d probably have Buffalo somewhere in the 9-11 range. I’ll say 11 behind KC, LAR, NO, TB, Arizona, Cleveland, Seattle, Detroit, Atlanta, and Dallas.

[JetsFan20]

I’m not sure I see that much of a gap between the Bills and everyone else. 
 

Last year the Jets and Dolphins had among the worst OL in the league while the Pats and Bills has pretty good lines. The Jets and Dolphins both invested significant resources in that area and it remains to be seen what the outcome will be.

 

Skill position wise the Bills look a lot better because of Diggs, but I think it’s a little outlandish to think one player makes that much of a difference. 

[Kirby Jackson]

10 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said:

I’m not sure I see that much of a gap between the Bills and everyone else. 
 

Last year the Jets and Dolphins had among the worst OL in the league while the Pats and Bills has pretty good lines. The Jets and Dolphins both invested significant resources in that area and it remains to be seen what the outcome will be.

 

Skill position wise the Bills look a lot better because of Diggs, but I think it’s a little outlandish to think one player makes that much of a difference. 

The Bills skill players are WAY ahead of the rest of the division at this point and their OL is similar to others. I’d say that they have a middle of the league OL but probably top 10 skill players. Diggs is the best WR in the division. Brown is the best #2 WR in the division. Beasley is a top 10ish slot guy in the league. The rest of the division is good in the slot as well. Knox could very well be the best TE in the division by this year (if he isn’t already). Singletary’s 5.1 YPC was tied with Derrick Henry last year. He trailed only Mostert and Gus Edwards in that category. If you add more carries for him and the massive upgrade from Gore to Moss you have a pretty big gap between the Bills and the other skill positions in the division. 

Edited June 11, 2020 by Kirby Jackson

[Don Otreply]

As much love as the Bills have been getting as of late, they still get poo pooed with these sort of comparisons within the division, the old Bills reputation still lingers in the minds of many football fans, and prognosticators. After we win the division those lingering thoughts will dissipate all the more. 

 

Go Bills!!!

Edited June 11, 2020 by Don Otreply

[Buffalo Boy]

Bleacher Report induced discussion ???

Real Football can’t get here soon enough?

 

If the O line comes around ( continuity) , Knox discovers the ability to catch the easy passes and JA hits the long ball 50% better than last year the Bleacher Report will have us Top 5 next year at this time( barring draft upgrades.)

[Kirby Jackson]

26 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

As much love as the Bills have been getting as of late, they still get poo pooed with these sort of comparisons within the division, the old Bills reputation still lingers in the minds of many football fans, and prognosticators. After we win the division those lingering thoughts will dissipate all the more. 

 

Go Bills!!!

Ironically, if we switched places with the Panthers in the NFC South we might have the worst skill players in the division. If you objectively compare the Bills skill guys to the others in the AFC East it’s really difficult to make a case for anyone else (or that it’s even close). 

[JetsFan20]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The Bills skill players are WAY ahead of the rest of the division at this point and their OL is similar to others. I’d say that they have a middle of the league OL but probably top 10 skill players. Diggs is the best WR in the division. Brown is the best #2 WR in the division. Beasley is a top 10ish slot guy in the league. The rest of the division is good in the slot as well. Knox could very well be the best TE in the division by this year (if he isn’t already). Singletary’s 5.1 YPC was tied with Derrick Henry last year. He trailed only Mostert and Gus Edwards in that category. If you add more carries for him and the massive upgrade from Gore to Moss you have a pretty big gap between the Bills and the other skill positions in the division. 

Rebuttal #1-This is not a fantasy football. The 2019 Browns are a great example of how talented skill players don’t necessarily translate into offensive success.

 

Rebuttal #2 What kind of offense are the Bills going to run? Bills designed an offense last year that played off a top flight defense by limiting Allen’s pass attempts/risky throws. Do they really need elite skill players to run that type of offense? The 2019 49ers is the blueprint. Perhaps they look at the Vikings as a blueprint, but Kirk Cousins as a player is nothing like Josh Allen.

 

Rebuttal #3 Zach Moss is a 3rd round pick, how do you know he’s a massive upgrade over Frank Gore? The Jets drafted a RB in the 4th round who could turn out to be better than Moss (nobody knows with rookies). 

[thebandit27]

4 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said:

Rebuttal #1-This is not a fantasy football. The 2019 Browns are a great example of how talented skill players don’t necessarily translate into offensive success.

 

Rebuttal #2 What kind of offense are the Bills going to run? Bills designed an offense last year that played off a top flight defense by limiting Allen’s pass attempts/risky throws. Do they really need elite skill players to run that type of offense? The 2019 49ers is the blueprint. Perhaps they look at the Vikings as a blueprint, but Kirk Cousins as a player is nothing like Josh Allen.

 

Rebuttal #3 Zach Moss is a 3rd round pick, how do you know he’s a massive upgrade over Frank Gore? The Jets drafted a RB in the 4th round who could turn out to be better than Moss (nobody knows with rookies). 

1) he’s talking about real performance on the field

2) probably the same offense in which Allen attempted 461 passes in 15 games last year. He might see a 5-10% increase as he moves into his 3rd NFL season, so maybe he’ll trend toward 16th in attempts instead of 21st

3) did you watch Gore last year? He’s done. By virtue of being able to move, Moss will likely be a big upgrade.

[JetsFan20]

41 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Ironically, if we switched places with the Panthers in the NFC South we might have the worst skill players in the division. If you objectively compare the Bills skill guys to the others in the AFC East it’s really difficult to make a case for anyone else (or that it’s even close). 

The AFC East is a defensive rich division with limited offenses/unproven to bad QBs. 

[FLFan]

1 minute ago, JetsFan20 said:

The AFC East is a defensive rich division with limited offenses/unproven to bad QBs. 

You are tiresome.  Why don’t you go troll a Jets site?

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said:

Rebuttal #1-This is not a fantasy football. The 2019 Browns are a great example of how talented skill players don’t necessarily translate into offensive success.

 

Rebuttal #2 What kind of offense are the Bills going to run? Bills designed an offense last year that played off a top flight defense by limiting Allen’s pass attempts/risky throws. Do they really need elite skill players to run that type of offense? The 2019 49ers is the blueprint. Perhaps they look at the Vikings as a blueprint, but Kirk Cousins as a player is nothing like Josh Allen.

 

Rebuttal #3 Zach Moss is a 3rd round pick, how do you know he’s a massive upgrade over Frank Gore? The Jets drafted a RB in the 4th round who could turn out to be better than Moss (nobody knows with rookies). 

Rebuttal 1 - Those guys, outside of Diggs and Moss, have produced in this system. Diggs was an all-world recruit that was under drafted. He has been a productive player. There’s no reason to think that will change. His work in the intermediate is his strength. That’s also Allen’s strength. His passing efficiency in the intermediate routes was near the top of the league. It’s the deep ball that they struggled with.

 

Rebuttal 2 - They are going to run the same offense that they have the last couple of years. They took a step forward last year as they surrounded him with better players. It’s reasonable to expect another step forward with better players and another year of progression.

Rebuttal 3 - I know you’re a Jets fan but you didn’t watch Frank Gore last year. He’s a HOF back. He doesn’t belong on an NFL roster at this point. From week 8 on he averaged 2.49 yards a carry. Keep in mind Singletary was amongst the league leaders at 5.1 in the same system. The Bills could have brought Gore back and they elected for Moss. They tried to move up to get him. Gore is BEYOND cooked and Moss is a massive upgrade. That doesn’t even mean that he will be great. If he’s just okay it’s a big step up. 

 

4 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said:

The AFC East is a defensive rich division with limited offenses/unproven to bad QBs. 

...and the Bills offense is way ahead of the others in the division. None have a proven QB. Three teams have talented young guys. A lot will rest on their development but the players across the board on the Bills offense are way ahead of the others in the division. That’s why they ranked 20 spots ahead of anyone else in the AFC East. That’s been my point. It isn’t splitting hairs. It’s a chasm. That’s as much of an indictment on the rest of the division as it is an endorsement of the Bills. The Bills offensive talent is good to very good. It isn’t elite. The other teams in the division are a disaster. There’s a lot of room between disaster and good.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

20 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said:

Rebuttal #1-This is not a fantasy football. The 2019 Browns are a great example of how talented skill players don’t necessarily translate into offensive success.

 

Rebuttal #2 What kind of offense are the Bills going to run? Bills designed an offense last year that played off a top flight defense by limiting Allen’s pass attempts/risky throws. Do they really need elite skill players to run that type of offense? The 2019 49ers is the blueprint. Perhaps they look at the Vikings as a blueprint, but Kirk Cousins as a player is nothing like Josh Allen.

 

Rebuttal #3 Zach Moss is a 3rd round pick, how do you know he’s a massive upgrade over Frank Gore? The Jets drafted a RB in the 4th round who could turn out to be better than Moss (nobody knows with rookies). 

When the Jets release Gore after TC Rebuttal 3 will be answered. Unless he was playing with a undisclosed injury Gore had zero burst and looked like he had cement shoes on. 
 

As for R1 and R2 I will wait until we play some games but the arrow is definitely pointing up.

[Mr. WEO]

LOL Baltimore at only #20?  Behind Detroit?  And Carolina??  This is a joke.

 

Baltimore scored more TDs than any other team....by a wide margin. Plus they just picked up Dobbins.  Plus a 4.39 slot WR  and traded into the 6th to get the most prolific WR in the FBS the past 2 years.

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

LOL Baltimore at only #20?  Behind Detroit?  And Carolina??  This is a joke.

 

Baltimore scored more TDs than any other team....by a wide margin. Plus they just picked up Dobbins.  Plus a 4.39 slot WR  and traded into the 6th to get the most prolific WR in the FBS the past 2 years.

20 is too low for the Ravens but I do like what they have in Carolina. Moore, McCafrey, Samuel, Anderson, etc.. is pretty explosive. 

[Mr. WEO]

34 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

20 is too low for the Ravens but I do like what they have in Carolina. Moore, McCafrey, Samuel, Anderson, etc.. is pretty explosive. 

 

 

McCafrey and Moore for sure...

[eball]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The Bills skill players are WAY ahead of the rest of the division at this point and their OL is similar to others. I’d say that they have a middle of the league OL but probably top 10 skill players. Diggs is the best WR in the division. Brown is the best #2 WR in the division. Beasley is a top 10ish slot guy in the league. The rest of the division is good in the slot as well. Knox could very well be the best TE in the division by this year (if he isn’t already). Singletary’s 5.1 YPC was tied with Derrick Henry last year. He trailed only Mostert and Gus Edwards in that category. If you add more carries for him and the massive upgrade from Gore to Moss you have a pretty big gap between the Bills and the other skill positions in the division. 

 

...and that, paired with a top-5 defense, is why the Bills are consensus favorites in the AFC East this year.  The Pats*** are only close because of Belichick, not because of their roster.

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

McCafrey and Moore for sure...

They are great players. Anderson and Samuel are really nice secondary pieces too if they can stay healthy. I guess I didn’t realize their talent until I thought about it. I’ve viewed that roster as pretty poor but there is some talent. That whole division is loaded at the skill positions.

[HappyBillsFan]

1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

1) he’s talking about real performance on the field

2) probably the same offense in which Allen attempted 461 passes in 15 games last year. He might see a 5-10% increase as he moves into his 3rd NFL season, so maybe he’ll trend toward 16th in attempts instead of 21st

3) did you watch Gore last year? He’s done. By virtue of being able to move, Moss will likely be a big upgrade.

Definitely agree with the Gore comment. I would say Gore was probably the worst RB that took snaps for any team the last half of the year. 

[Kirby Jackson]

8 minutes ago, eball said:

 

...and that, paired with a top-5 defense, is why the Bills are consensus favorites in the AFC East this year.  The Pats*** are only close because of Belichick, not because of their roster.

Yep

 

The AFC East has some good defenses with the Bills among them. The Bills just have way better offensive talent than the other teams. If you look at a position by position comparison it’ll really show. This Bills roster is deep and balanced. With the possible exceptions of RT, backup QB and punter there really aren’t holes. You can’t say that for the other AFC East rosters (or most rosters in football). 

5 minutes ago, HappyBillsFan said:

Definitely agree with the Gore comment. I would say Gore was probably the worst RB that took snaps for any team the last half of the year. 

He had to have been. 2.49 YPC in a good running game is atrocious. Singletary was running the same plays and averaging double the production. That’s virtually impossible. It would be one thing to hide behind “the running game was struggling” but it wasn’t. They ran well when Gore was on the sideline and terribly when he entered the game.
 

I’m going to be surprised if he makes the Jets roster. They may want his veteran presence which they could use but he can’t play. 

Edited June 11, 2020 by Kirby Jackson

[Stranded in Boston]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Knox could very well be the best TE in the division by this year (if he isn’t already). 

Hey Kirby, I like Knox a lot, but that kid Gesicki for Miami is really tough. Hopefully Dawson catches up to him soon!

[Kirby Jackson]

Just now, Stranded in Boston said:

Hey Kirby, I like Knox a lot, but that kid Gesicki for Miami is really tough. Hopefully Dawson catches up to him soon!

That’s honestly why I said (if he isn’t already). I like Gesicki quite a bit. He’s an athlete. Former basketball players make great tight ends. I think that Knox has some of his athletic upside and is a way better blocker. He will be the more complete of the 2 but not sure that he will catch up to Gesicki as a pass catcher. I wouldn’t be shocked though if both guys became like 800 yard receivers with 7 or 8 TDs. 

[Dopey]

1 hour ago, JetsFan20 said:

Rebuttal #1-This is not a fantasy football. The 2019 Browns are a great example of how talented skill players don’t necessarily translate into offensive success.

 

Rebuttal #2 What kind of offense are the Bills going to run? Bills designed an offense last year that played off a top flight defense by limiting Allen’s pass attempts/risky throws. Do they really need elite skill players to run that type of offense? The 2019 49ers is the blueprint. Perhaps they look at the Vikings as a blueprint, but Kirk Cousins as a player is nothing like Josh Allen.

 

Rebuttal #3 Zach Moss is a 3rd round pick, how do you know he’s a massive upgrade over Frank Gore? The Jets drafted a RB in the 4th round who could turn out to be better than Moss (nobody knows with rookies). 

In rebuttal #2, are you saying Josh is better than Cousins?

[DCOrange]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

LOL Baltimore at only #20?  Behind Detroit?  And Carolina??  This is a joke.

 

Baltimore scored more TDs than any other team....by a wide margin. Plus they just picked up Dobbins.  Plus a 4.39 slot WR  and traded into the 6th to get the most prolific WR in the FBS the past 2 years.

 

I don't think a relatively low ranking for them is all that surprising to be honest. They're just ranking based on the WRs, RBs, and TEs, so Baltimore's elite O-Line doesn't factor in at all.

 

On paper, they're probably bottom 5-10 at WR in the league. Their RB committee was ranked 9th best. I imagine the TEs are ranked around the same after trading Hurst away. Obviously they still have Andrews and to a lesser extent Boyle, so still pretty good. But it's not the three-headed monster that it was viewed as last year. I would imagine the WRs are viewed as the most important part of a QB's supporting cast, so it's not too surprising that their ranking is weighed down significantly.

 

The ones that I think you could legitimately argue Baltimore ahead of would be the Giants and Eagles. I'm good with the rest of them being ahead of Baltimore.

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

 

I don't think a relatively low ranking for them is all that surprising to be honest. They're just ranking based on the WRs, RBs, and TEs, so Baltimore's elite O-Line doesn't factor in at all.

 

On paper, they're probably bottom 5-10 at WR in the league. Their RB committee was ranked 9th best. I imagine the TEs are ranked around the same after trading Hurst away. Obviously they still have Andrews and to a lesser extent Boyle, so still pretty good. But it's not the three-headed monster that it was viewed as last year. I would imagine the WRs are viewed as the most important part of a QB's supporting cast, so it's not too surprising that their ranking is weighed down significantly.

 

The ones that I think you could legitimately argue Baltimore ahead of would be the Giants and Eagles. I'm good with the rest of them being ahead of Baltimore.

 

Ravens had the most passing TDs last season---with not 1 1000 yd WR.  Hurst won't be missed.  Plus they drafted 2 potentially dynamic rookies to catch those short passes.  That's a ton of weapons for a QB like Jackson.

 

Ingram is still a major threat, and they added the rookie.  They were, by far, the highest scoring team in the NFL---and in the draft really loaded up on offense.  

 

Detroit has Galloday and Jones.   Their running game is a dud.  Logan Thomas is their #2 TE.  That's a pretty rough crew.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

3 hours ago, JetsFan20 said:

I’m not sure I see that much of a gap between the Bills and everyone else. 
 

Last year the Jets and Dolphins had among the worst OL in the league while the Pats and Bills has pretty good lines. The Jets and Dolphins both invested significant resources in that area and it remains to be seen what the outcome will be.

 

Skill position wise the Bills look a lot better because of Diggs, but I think it’s a little outlandish to think one player makes that much of a difference. 

 

True.  But one player can make a difference in the right circumstances. 

 

2 seasons ago the Bills had Zay Jones, Robert Foster and Kelvin Benjamin. 

 

3 hours ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Bleacher Report induced discussion ???

Real Football can’t get here soon enough?

 

If the O line comes around ( continuity) , Knox discovers the ability to catch the easy passes and JA hits the long ball 50% better than last year the Bleacher Report will have us Top 5 next year at this time( barring draft upgrades.)

 

Compared to a few sites out there.  BR is a gem.

 

Truth be told a lot of those other places refer to BR and PFF.  

Or the AP where everyone goes to the pool. 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, JetsFan20 said:

Rebuttal #1-This is not a fantasy football. The 2019 Browns are a great example of how talented skill players don’t necessarily translate into offensive success.

 

Rebuttal #2 What kind of offense are the Bills going to run? Bills designed an offense last year that played off a top flight defense by limiting Allen’s pass attempts/risky throws. Do they really need elite skill players to run that type of offense? The 2019 49ers is the blueprint. Perhaps they look at the Vikings as a blueprint, but Kirk Cousins as a player is nothing like Josh Allen.

 

Rebuttal #3 Zach Moss is a 3rd round pick, how do you know he’s a massive upgrade over Frank Gore? The Jets drafted a RB in the 4th round who could turn out to be better than Moss (nobody knows with rookies). 

 

#1 I agreed with and countered.  5 stars on a team or a Team with 5 stars.  

#2 The 49ers Offense?  (Truth be told,  JG needs to do more than just not lose the game).

Passing wise the 49ers lead with TD/INT 28-13 to 21-12. 

Rushing wise the 49ers lead with 2305 yards 23 TD 4.6 y/a to 2054 yds, 13 TD 4.4 y/a

#3 Moss like Singletary are "slippery"  What was that statistic I posted the other day............   Lead the ranks with most broken tackles IIRC.  

[DCOrange]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Ravens had the most passing TDs last season---with not 1 1000 yd WR.  Hurst won't be missed.  Plus they drafted 2 potentially dynamic rookies to catch those short passes.  That's a ton of weapons for a QB like Jackson.

 

Ingram is still a major threat, and they added the rookie.  They were, by far, the highest scoring team in the NFL---and in the draft really loaded up on offense.  

 

Detroit has Galloday and Jones.   Their running game is a dud.  Logan Thomas is their #2 TE.  That's a pretty rough crew.

 

Logan Thomas definitely is not Detroit's #2 TE. They signed Jesse James this offseason; he and Hockenson will be duking it out for the starting gig. They added arguably the #1 RB in the draft to pair with Kerryon, and their top 2 WRs are on paper significantly better than anyone in Baltimore's receiving corps and Amendola is right there with any of Baltimore's guys right now too (obviously Hollywood could break out for Baltimore and vault himself into the discussion with Golladay/Jones, but he's still unproven for now).

 

Maybe some of Baltimore's young WRs will pan out, but for now, they pale in comparison to Detroit at WR while probably being slightly ahead at the other two positions groups.

 

Baltimore's biggest strengths offensively is Lamar and the O-Line; they are by far the biggest reasons that Baltimore's offense was elite last year. Neither of those things matter in these rankings and the article itself says as much. Paraphrasing, they say Baltimore's skill positions aren't very talented relative to the league, but it doesn't really matter because they fit with Lamar so well and Lamar & the O-Line drive everything.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, DCOrange said:

 

Logan Thomas definitely is not Detroit's #2 TE. They signed Jesse James this offseason; he and Hockenson will be duking it out for the starting gig. They added arguably the #1 RB in the draft to pair with Kerryon, and their top 2 WRs are on paper significantly better than anyone in Baltimore's receiving corps and Amendola is right there with any of Baltimore's guys right now too (obviously Hollywood could break out for Baltimore and vault himself into the discussion with Golladay/Jones, but he's still unproven for now).

 

Maybe some of Baltimore's young WRs will pan out, but for now, they pale in comparison to Detroit at WR while probably being slightly ahead at the other two positions groups.

 

Baltimore's biggest strengths offensively is Lamar and the O-Line; they are by far the biggest reasons that Baltimore's offense was elite last year. Neither of those things matter in these rankings and the article itself says as much. Paraphrasing, they say Baltimore's skill positions aren't very talented relative to the league, but it doesn't really matter because they fit with Lamar so well and Lamar & the O-Line drive everything.

 

We all understand skill positions does not refer to the O-line.

 

Jessie James appeared in all 16 games for Detroit LAST year (11 starts) and was a complete disaster.  He didn't even beat out Thomas for the #2.

 

Amendola is a poor man's Edelman.  I bet Hollywood will outplay Marvin Jones.  

 

I bet Ingram and Dobbins outgain the duo in Detroit.

 

If you had to swap out the Bills weapons on O for either team's, you would pick those in Detroit over Baltimore's?  That would be a pretty hot take.

 

Again, the best Offense just loaded up on more weapons in the draft.  Detroit is still struggling to fill holes.

 

 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

LOL Baltimore at only #20?  Behind Detroit?  And Carolina??  This is a joke.

 

Baltimore scored more TDs than any other team....by a wide margin. Plus they just picked up Dobbins.  Plus a 4.39 slot WR  and traded into the 6th to get the most prolific WR in the FBS the past 2 years.

it’s about the supporting cast.  
 

not how many games they won  

I thought B-More was rated too low myself 

 

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

it’s about the supporting cast.  
 

not how many games they won  

I thought B-More was rated too low myself 

 

 

Correct.  I haven't referenced wins.  I did reference scoring, because really,  how good is supporting cast that doesn't score a lot?  No very good.

[C.Biscuit97]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Ravens had the most passing TDs last season---with not 1 1000 yd WR.  Hurst won't be missed.  Plus they drafted 2 potentially dynamic rookies to catch those short passes.  That's a ton of weapons for a QB like Jackson.

 

Ingram is still a major threat, and they added the rookie.  They were, by far, the highest scoring team in the NFL---and in the draft really loaded up on offense.  

 

Detroit has Galloday and Jones.   Their running game is a dud.  Logan Thomas is their #2 TE.  That's a pretty rough crew.

Baltimore wrs besides Brown are pretty bad.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Correct.  I haven't referenced wins.  I did reference scoring, because really,  how good is supporting cast that doesn't score a lot?  No very good.

my sarcasm wink wasn’t loud enough I guess 

 

? 

 

[Mr. WEO]

57 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Baltimore wrs besides Brown are pretty bad.  

 

Baltimore had a LOT of guys who could  catch TDs last season....

 

.....And their WRs just got better after the draft.  

[machine gun kelly]

Hey guys, how about we see how they perform by November?  I know you guys mean well. I do.

[billsfan89]

WR 1-3 The Bills have a complement that is as good or close to any team in the league. While having Mac a decent gadget WR and some interesting depth. 

TE - The Bills lack here unless they can get a big leap in production from Knox. 

O-Line - Upper Mid-Level O-line at worst in my opinion with depth to sustain more injuries than most O-lines in the league. 

RB - A good up and coming RB in Singletary being paired with a high draft pick in Moss. 

 

Overall around Josh I say he has a top 10 supporting cast, and if Knox can be an above average TE this season than look out because then the Bills could be looking at having all the pieces in place.

[John from Riverside]

11 hours ago, thebandit27 said:

Without looking at the list, I’d probably have Buffalo somewhere in the 9-11 range. I’ll say 11 behind KC, LAR, NO, TB, Arizona, Cleveland, Seattle, Detroit, Atlanta, and Dallas.

Which sounds about right

 

Past Diggs, Brown, Beasely we are relying on a lot of young guys but this is the correct way to biuld a football team

[JetsFan20]

Last years offensive rankings 

 

15. New England 

24. Buffalo

27. Miami

32. NYJ 

 

Miami and the Jets weren’t too far off from Buffalo if you take out the Rosen and Luke Falk games (the Jets also had a historically bad showing on MNF vs New England)
 

New England lost Tom Brady so its reasonable to assume they will regress on offense 

 

Obviously I could see BUF, Miami, and NYJ improving from 2019 (not a big ask). I just fail to see how any of these teams are going to develop into a top 10 offense against a tougher schedule. 
 

 

9 hours ago, Stranded in Boston said:

Hey Kirby, I like Knox a lot, but that kid Gesicki for Miami is really tough. Hopefully Dawson catches up to him soon!

The Jets are also very excited about Chris Herndon and Pats drafted two TEs who are probably studs. 

[Kirby Jackson]

25 minutes ago, JetsFan20 said:

Last years offensive rankings 

 

15. New England 

24. Buffalo

27. Miami

32. NYJ 

 

Miami and the Jets weren’t too far off from Buffalo if you take out the Rosen and Luke Falk games (the Jets also had a historically bad showing on MNF vs New England)
 

New England lost Tom Brady so its reasonable to assume they will regress on offense 

 

Obviously I could see BUF, Miami, and NYJ improving from 2019 (not a big ask). I just fail to see how any of these teams are going to develop into a top 10 offense against a tougher schedule. 
 

 

The Jets are also very excited about Chris Herndon and Pats drafted two TEs who are probably studs. 

The point is that the Bills ended up underrated at 24. It was a preseason ranking. Beasley and Brown has the best years of their careers and the rookie EB averaged 5.1 YPC. Guys that were question marks entering the year overachieved. Now when you add Diggs, you have 2 1k receivers and a high end slot option. Brown and Beasley now face easier matchups. Moss in unquestionably an upgrade over Gore and that’s why you are looking at the Bills 20 spots ahead of anyone else in the division. The have the best receiver, the best #2 receiver, a high end slot guy and arguably the best backfield in the division. Bell may still be that guy but there’s a very good chance that the Bills backfield emerges. We aren’t splitting hairs in the division. The Bills weapons are far, far, far beyond the rest of the AFC East. 

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16 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

The point is that the Bills ended up underrated at 24. It was a preseason ranking. Beasley and Brown has the best years of their careers and the rookie EB averaged 5.1 YPC. Guys that were question marks entering the year overachieved. Now when you add Diggs, you have 2 1k receivers and a high end slot option. Brown and Beasley now face easier matchups. Moss in unquestionably an upgrade over Gore and that’s why you are looking at the Bills 20 spots ahead of anyone else in the division. The have the best receiver, the best #2 receiver, a high end slot guy and arguably the best backfield in the division. Bell may still be that guy but there’s a very good chance that the Bills backfield emerges. We aren’t splitting hairs in the division. The Bills weapons are far, far, far beyond the rest of the AFC East. 

Its the same offense sans Gore with Moss and Diggs.