Prospector Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) I want to start this thread by saying that I am in 100% agreement that the officers involved in George Floyd’s death should be prosecuted and dealt with accordingly. The video is heinous, and justice should be sought out. I believe almost all Americans believe that to be true. ok, so now to the meat of this thread... what are the protests supposed to bring to light? We all can see, and agree that the officers looked to be in the wrong and should have been fired and held accountable. And they have been. They are going on trial for murder... good! But, is this an issue that is a national epidemic, or is it an isolated incident to promote a political ideology? Are black people being targeted and killed at a higher rate than other races? Or are these rare and infrequent accounts being prostituted out to a far left media to dog whistle communist activists and to play on the emotions of people they want to keep down and dependent? Now for statistics... black people commit over 50% of the violent crimes in the USA. But almost twice as many white people are killed by the police every year. So, what is the social injustice? Because a random ######ed cop was caught killing a black man on camera, yet twice as many whites are killed by police every year(armed and unarmed... the numbers stay consistent). It would seem that the extremely rare killing of an innocent black man is being sensationalized by a media with a political purpose. And no one wants to be labeled racist or insensitive in today’s climate, so we all go along with it and ignore facts. Was Floyd’s death terrible and horrific? Yes, absolutely! We all agree! But is that a commonality with law enforcement country wide? Absolutely not! These riots are insane and meant for only a political purpose. But, I expect nothing less from the politics, ideas and groups that supported slavery, segregation, KKK, and Jim Crowe... Dems always trying to keep minorities in their place and keeping the divide. No wonder they all support the riots and want them to keep going, it’s their pay day. It’s quite disgusting Edited June 5, 2020 by WorstTEever81 Grammar 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Ben Shapiro sums it up nicely: 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted June 5, 2020 Author Share Posted June 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Ben Shapiro sums it up nicely: I love Shapiro... always uses facts to base his arguments. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 This thread will mostly be ignored because truth creates fear and anger these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 THe only thing people have to understand is that it's all Trump's fault. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted June 5, 2020 Author Share Posted June 5, 2020 Just now, unbillievable said: THe only thing people have to understand is that it's all Trump's fault. Orange man bad... lol, I get ya. Ridiculous but true for most. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Ben Shapiro sums it up nicely: ...sad part about the race discussion especially in the US is its main focus: skin color........allegedly "privileged whites (whatever the hell that is supposed to mean; I'm white but grew up in a struggling "make ends meet" environment); haven't BILLIONS been spent on race relations of color in the US?......why do the progressives think it is necessary to eliminate the country's cultural history, whether good, bad or indifferent?.....erase all aspects of the confederate side?......reparations jibberish?.....how the hell does ethnic/cultural racism get a pass?......why isn't that equally important?.....Jews vs Palestinians?...Germans vs Jews?....India vs Pakistan?......Russia vs break away provinces?.....isn't worldwide ethnic racism equally important and in existence for hundreds of years with NO KNOWN CURE?....didn't the US detain Japenese here during WW II?.....aren't Asian Americans being subjected to racism because of the "China Virus (damn right I call it that)?..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 24 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Ben Shapiro sums it up nicely: Sometimes Twitter and its limited characters is a beautiful thing. This tweet sums up what I've been trying to tell people perfectly. My attempts were much more ham handed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted June 5, 2020 Author Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) My parents were Norwegian’s who barely had a cent to their name. During the Great Depression, my grand father worked an entire day for a couple potatoes. He became a steel worker and carpenter. Built his own house and added on as his family got bigger. My dad and uncles were all told that if they wanted a better life, work hard in school and get a scholarship because he couldn’t pay for college. So they did. My dad did the same with me. I payed my way through college and learned how to depend on myself. I don’t know why this is an odd idea to relay to other cultures... but you usually are labeled insensitive. I don’t come from old money and had to scrap for my way of life. Why is it bad to recommend to others to dig in and build a better you? Edited June 5, 2020 by WorstTEever81 6 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted June 5, 2020 Author Share Posted June 5, 2020 I’m a bit disappointed that a troll hasn’t even popped in with unrelated cartoon of Trump being a Nazi... That happened with a thread I made awhile back, because we all know the Nazis promoted personal freedom, right to bare arms, limited government, and denounced socialism... oh, wait, that’s the opposite of what Hitler did and what the left is opposed of. Weird 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Prospector Posted June 5, 2020 Author Share Posted June 5, 2020 22 minutes ago, B-Man said: What happens in deep blue counties stays in deep blue counties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unforgiven Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, WorstTEever81 said: I’m a bit disappointed that a troll hasn’t even popped in with unrelated cartoon of Trump being a Nazi... That happened with a thread I made awhile back, because we all know the Nazis promoted personal freedom, right to bare arms, limited government, and denounced socialism... oh, wait, that’s the opposite of what Hitler did and what the left is opposed of. Weird Well they are hiding in moms basement until the DNC sends them new marching orders. The good news about jobs rattled them. Edited June 5, 2020 by Unforgiven 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 1 hour ago, B-Man said: In another week, the officers will be required to put each other in chokeholds. I'm sure a simple "please and thank you" will get violent offenders to stop what they are doing. I'm not sure why they haven't just tried this before! 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 1 hour ago, WorstTEever81 said: I’m a bit disappointed that a troll hasn’t even popped in with unrelated cartoon of Trump being a Nazi... That happened with a thread I made awhile back, because we all know the Nazis promoted personal freedom, right to bare arms, limited government, and denounced socialism... oh, wait, that’s the opposite of what Hitler did and what the left is opposed of. Weird A coworker told me that Trump is doing exactly what Hitler and Nazi's did to get into power... So I told him the steps Hitler took... #1 Nazi's took the guns away from their citizens #2 Nazi's blamed the rich for all their problems.. #3 Nazi's used the media to incite class/race protests.. #4 Nazi's asked people to snitch on their neighbors and point out bad behavior... Then he interrupted me and asked where I got my "fake" facts. ? 4 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, unbillievable said: A coworker told me that Trump is doing exactly what Hitler and Nazi's did to get into power... So I told him the steps Hitler took... #1 Nazi's took the guns away from their citizens #2 Nazi's blamed the rich for all their problems.. #3 Nazi's used the media to incite class/race protests.. #4 Nazi's asked people to snitch on their neighbors and point out bad behavior... Then he interrupted me and asked where I got my "fake" facts. ? very similar minus the new oppressed brunch on avocado toast and don’t die in mass graves. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdnlng Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 4 hours ago, WorstTEever81 said: I’m a bit disappointed that a troll hasn’t even popped in with unrelated cartoon of Trump being a Nazi... That happened with a thread I made awhile back, because we all know the Nazis promoted personal freedom, right to bare arms, limited government, and denounced socialism... oh, wait, that’s the opposite of what Hitler did and what the left is opposed of. Weird Short sleeves? It's bear arms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 6 hours ago, WorstTEever81 said: I love Shapiro... always uses facts to base his arguments. How are anonymous dudes in white sheets burning crosses addressable under Shapiro’s ambiguous criteria? They cannot be named, and they have no articulable policy. 18 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said: Short sleeves? It's bear arms. Short response from you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedge Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 1 hour ago, 3rdnlng said: Short sleeves? It's bear arms. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 (edited) I am 100 percent behind defunding the police. I think the time has come for anarchy. I am also 100 percent for defunding Welfare and social programs. Lets start saving money and taking responsibility for ourselves. You want security, arm yourself or pay a private company. You want handouts, go beg on the street corner. Enough is enough. Edited June 6, 2020 by Beast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmal34 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 Let's start here: New hires, mandatory four year degree dual major criminal justice and psychology Mandatory de-escalation training every six months Every interaction with the public, body cam not on, you are fired Mandatory racism screen every year Mandatory psych e v a l every year Mandatory town halls in the community you patrol Every use of force requires body cam any at least one other before initiation Civilian oversight board No qualified immunity Thats the BEGINNING. Why would anyone oppose? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 “Racism screening” gtfoh 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 6 minutes ago, Thurmal34 said: Let's start here: New hires, mandatory four year degree dual major criminal justice and psychology Mandatory de-escalation training every six months Every interaction with the public, body cam not on, you are fired Mandatory racism screen every year Mandatory psych e v a l every year Mandatory town halls in the community you patrol Every use of force requires body cam any at least one other before initiation Civilian oversight board No qualified immunity Thats the BEGINNING. Why would anyone oppose? ??? You're an idiot. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmal34 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: “Racism screening” gtfoh Why unite when you can divide baby!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Thurmal34 said: Why unite when you can divide baby!?! Yeah — what you’re proposing isn’t unification. By any stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmal34 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 Just now, Rob's House said: ??? You're an idiot. I mean why have a constructive convo when we can disparage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmal34 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said: Yeah — what you’re proposing isn’t unification. By any stretch. Pro tip - this is just the tip of the iceberg. The heavy handed police approach is FINISHED. Pick a side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 Is there a racism screening tool? Like the gaydar from Sharper Image that Jim sent to Dwight when Jim was in Stamford? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmal34 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 What do you think keeps burying you? i have no idea if there is or isn't, but it sure seems to have hit a nerve so far. The opposition, the unwillingness to try, volumes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 Just now, Thurmal34 said: I mean why have a constructive convo when we can disparage? Fair enough. The mandatory racism screen every year just tickled the ***** out of me. The college requirement part got me too, but to be fair you do touch on some decent points in your list. Body cams are a good idea. I don't think there's any reason they shouldn't be standard in every metropolitan area. Occasional de-escalation training and psych evaluations are fine. I think the frequency you suggest would be overkill, but the idea itself is reasonable. Qualified immunity is a bit complicated. It varies by state, but should probably be modified wrt civil cases in most, provided the state/municipality insures the officers. Outright abolishment is going too far IMO. I don't know what you're saying in your second body cam item, and the town hall part sounds like a den mother idea, so I would scrap both of them. I do give you credit for putting some thought into this rather than just spewing vapid sanctimonious bull#### like so many others have been. I'd apologize for calling you an idiot, but with DC Tom in exile somebody had to initiate you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmal34 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Rob's House said: Fair enough. The mandatory racism screen every year just tickled the ***** out of me. The college requirement part got me too, but to be fair you do touch on some decent points in your list. Body cams are a good idea. I don't think there's any reason they shouldn't be standard in every metropolitan area. Occasional de-escalation training and psych evaluations are fine. I think the frequency you suggest would be overkill, but the idea itself is reasonable. Qualified immunity is a bit complicated. It varies by state, but should probably be modified wrt civil cases in most, provided the state/municipality insures the officers. Outright abolishment is going too far IMO. I don't know what you're saying in your second body cam item, and the town hall part sounds like a den mother idea, so I would scrap both of them. I do give you credit for putting some thought into this rather than just spewing vapid sanctimonious bull#### like so many others have been. I'd apologize for calling you an idiot, but with DC Tom in exile somebody had to initiate you. Love this! And who knows, maybe ALL the ideas i mentioned suck. I just wanted to get some points out there that we could use to get the ball rolling as the current model is NOT working. Only reason i added racism screen ( and yeah i have no idea what that even is but since we are the richest country in history we can probably figure it out) is the FBI's report that White Supremacist groups have infiltrated LE on the town, county, state, and federal level. Should i link the report? Edited June 6, 2020 by Thurmal34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 53 minutes ago, Thurmal34 said: Pro tip - this is just the tip of the iceberg. The heavy handed police approach is FINISHED. Pick a side. I did. Long ago. Funny how this outrage has been absent in your posts while talking about the Russia investigation — which was an abuse of the worst kind on multiple Americans. That’s why you’re a joke. You’re silent until your masters program you to be outraged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmal34 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 (edited) I could care less if you call me a joke and reference this or that. Go for it. Even if you are correct, and burn me, i will be "oh no exposed" in front of like 12 ppl that post here. You got me! Bigger fish to fry. I don't care what your timeline is for me or how you think i should share my opnions. I'll do me, you paint yourself in to a corner. Oh and keep moving those Trumposts! Edited June 6, 2020 by Thurmal34 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Thurmal34 said: I could care less if you call me a joke and reference this or that. Go for it. Even if you are correct, and burn me, i will be "oh no exposed" in front of like 12 ppl that post here. You got me! Bigger fish to fry. I don't care what your timeline is for me or how you think i should share my opnions. I'll do me, you paint yourself in to a corner. Oh and keep moving those Trumposts! “Even if you are correct” I am. The evidence shows it. That you still deny this, and fail to see the connection to the cause you’re currently spun up about, shows how uninformed and useless you are. Keep drinking. It’s really helping your cognitive functions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 10 hours ago, WorstTEever81 said: I want to start this thread by saying that I am in 100% agreement that the officers involved in George Floyd’s death should be prosecuted and dealt with accordingly. The video is heinous, and justice should be sought out. I believe almost all Americans believe that to be true. ok, so now to the meat of this thread... what are the protests supposed to bring to light? We all can see, and agree that the officers looked to be in the wrong and should have been fired and held accountable. And they have been. They are going on trial for murder... good! But, is this an issue that is a national epidemic, or is it an isolated incident to promote a political ideology? Are black people being targeted and killed at a higher rate than other races? Or are these rare and infrequent accounts being prostituted out to a far left media to dog whistle communist activists and to play on the emotions of people they want to keep down and dependent? Now for statistics... black people commit over 50% of the violent crimes in the USA. But almost twice as many white people are killed by the police every year. So, what is the social injustice? Because a random ######ed cop was caught killing a black man on camera, yet twice as many whites are killed by police every year(armed and unarmed... the numbers stay consistent). It would seem that the extremely rare killing of an innocent black man is being sensationalized by a media with a political purpose. And no one wants to be labeled racist or insensitive in today’s climate, so we all go along with it and ignore facts. Was Floyd’s death terrible and horrific? Yes, absolutely! We all agree! But is that a commonality with law enforcement country wide? Absolutely not! These riots are insane and meant for only a political purpose. But, I expect nothing less from the politics, ideas and groups that supported slavery, segregation, KKK, and Jim Crowe... Dems always trying to keep minorities in their place and keeping the divide. No wonder they all support the riots and want them to keep going, it’s their pay day. It’s quite disgusting What do the relative numbers of white people and black people killed by police look like when normalized per capita? According to Fatal Encounters, the database created by former Reno News & Review editor and journalism instructor Burghart (which tracks all deaths resulting from interactions with police), a total of 1,388 people were killed by police in 2015, 318 (23%) of them black, and 560 (40%) of them white. So roughly 23 percent of those killed by any police interaction in 2015 were black and just over 40 percent were white. According to those statistics (adjusted for racial demographics), black people had a 2.7 higher likelihood of being killed by police than whites.https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/do-police-kill-more-whites-than-black-people/ Blacks make up 13.4% of the population. So a smaller absolute number of deaths can mean a larger number of deaths per capita and a larger likelihood. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregPersons Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 15 hours ago, WorstTEever81 said: I want to start this thread by saying that I am in 100% agreement that the officers involved in George Floyd’s death should be prosecuted and dealt with accordingly. The video is heinous, and justice should be sought out. I believe almost all Americans believe that to be true. ok, so now to the meat of this thread... what are the protests supposed to bring to light? We all can see, and agree that the officers looked to be in the wrong and should have been fired and held accountable. And they have been. They are going on trial for murder... good! But, is this an issue that is a national epidemic, or is it an isolated incident to promote a political ideology? Are black people being targeted and killed at a higher rate than other races? Or are these rare and infrequent accounts being prostituted out to a far left media to dog whistle communist activists and to play on the emotions of people they want to keep down and dependent? Now for statistics... black people commit over 50% of the violent crimes in the USA. But almost twice as many white people are killed by the police every year. So, what is the social injustice? Because a random ######ed cop was caught killing a black man on camera, yet twice as many whites are killed by police every year(armed and unarmed... the numbers stay consistent). It would seem that the extremely rare killing of an innocent black man is being sensationalized by a media with a political purpose. And no one wants to be labeled racist or insensitive in today’s climate, so we all go along with it and ignore facts. Was Floyd’s death terrible and horrific? Yes, absolutely! We all agree! But is that a commonality with law enforcement country wide? Absolutely not! These riots are insane and meant for only a political purpose. But, I expect nothing less from the politics, ideas and groups that supported slavery, segregation, KKK, and Jim Crowe... Dems always trying to keep minorities in their place and keeping the divide. No wonder they all support the riots and want them to keep going, it’s their pay day. It’s quite disgusting So the first step is to admit you don't know what you're talking about. You are clearly not black. So maybe just take one moment to ask yourself -- do you know what it's like to be black? Do you for sure? Then maybe you don't know everything, and could stand to listen. There are a lot of voices right now available with social media, podcasts, videos, whatever you want. Seek out black voices who are trying to explain this for the 1 billionth time. White people especially love to pretend racism does not exist. Love to pretend it's already solved. It was solved by Lincoln. It was solved by MLK. It was solved by Obama. Throughout your post, your entire point is that "This isn't a problem. Why are they making it up?" You don't know what you're ***** talking about. The idea that you somehow went through this week, assuming you're aware of even a percentage of the videos released JUST SINCE FLOYD'S MURDER, and are still confused about "what it's about" This is willful. This is you making a choice to close your mind and say you have done all of the learning that is possible. Racism, if it exists, has been solved as much as humanly possible. These are the things you are saying explicitly and implicitly in your post. L I S T E N TO B L A C K PEOPLE And stop getting all of your facts ABOUT black people FROM WHITE PEOPLE and then insisting YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. That would be a good start to learning. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 56 minutes ago, GregPersons said: So the first step is to admit you don't know what you're talking about. You are clearly not black. So maybe just take one moment to ask yourself -- do you know what it's like to be black? Do you for sure? Then maybe you don't know everything, and could stand to listen. There are a lot of voices right now available with social media, podcasts, videos, whatever you want. Seek out black voices who are trying to explain this for the 1 billionth time. White people especially love to pretend racism does not exist. Love to pretend it's already solved. It was solved by Lincoln. It was solved by MLK. It was solved by Obama. Throughout your post, your entire point is that "This isn't a problem. Why are they making it up?" You don't know what you're ***** talking about. The idea that you somehow went through this week, assuming you're aware of even a percentage of the videos released JUST SINCE FLOYD'S MURDER, and are still confused about "what it's about" This is willful. This is you making a choice to close your mind and say you have done all of the learning that is possible. Racism, if it exists, has been solved as much as humanly possible. These are the things you are saying explicitly and implicitly in your post. L I S T E N TO B L A C K PEOPLE And stop getting all of your facts ABOUT black people FROM WHITE PEOPLE and then insisting YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. That would be a good start to learning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregPersons Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 Just now, Reality Check said: (Al Sharpton) You're all sorts of fun following me around tonight. Another go-to move by racists — ask them to name a black person, and they're going to go: Al Sharpton, Obama, MLK, Shaq. What's incredible is the racists never consider that they are oblivious. They're so sure they've got it figured out. You never meet a racist who's like "I'm not sure, I could learn more." They always know everything. And like a child they have no idea what a giveaway that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reality Check Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 1 minute ago, GregPersons said: You're all sorts of fun following me around tonight. Another go-to move by racists — ask them to name a black person, and they're going to go: Al Sharpton, Obama, MLK, Shaq. What's incredible is the racists never consider that they are oblivious. They're so sure they've got it figured out. You never meet a racist who's like "I'm not sure, I could learn more." They always know everything. And like a child they have no idea what a giveaway that is. What country are you in? It's early morning where I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregPersons Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 Just now, Reality Check said: What country are you in? It's early morning where I am. That's nice. I'm in the continental US. You're so fascinated by me! It's making me blush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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