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https://sports.yahoo.com/dolphins-chad-oshea-fired-patriots-offense-too-complex-young-players-nfl-024041937.html

 

According to a report from the Miami Herald, O’Shea was let go by the Dolphins after friction with teaching the Dolphins’ young roster a playbook with the complexities typically seen in Foxborough. Multiple players reportedly supported the decision to swap out O’Shea for veteran coordinator Chan Gailey.

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One player described the situation on offense last season as a “[expletive] show,” noting O’Shea tried to teach an offense that was too complex for a young team and that teaching/instruction during film study was a “disaster.”

 

 

As one player noted, O’Shea tried to run plays that were used in New England, which was predictable because O’Shea had spent the previous 10 seasons there as wide receivers coach.

 

Additionally, a player reportedly said O’Shea made the situation worse by trying to install especially complicated elements of the Patriots offense used by Tom Brady and Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels.

 

So, Chan is back with Fitz now in Miami. 

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From what I have read on this forum, not very many coaches from the cheaters coaching tree seem to succeed after leaving the organization wide cheating regime. Always good to hear 👍

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I wonder who else in the AFCE uses a similarly complex and difficult-to-learn offensive playbook from the NE/E-P tree?

 

Sure do feel sorry for that team, I'll tell ya...

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Doesn't Daboll have the same problem?  I recall John Brown mentioning that this offense is the most complex he has been in.  

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38 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:

I wonder who else in the AFCE uses a similarly complex and difficult-to-learn offensive playbook from the NE/E-P tree?

 

Sure do feel sorry for that team, I'll tell ya...

Daboll ?  He is from that same tree too

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1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Is O’Shea back with the Pats?

No.

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Chad O'Shea is an American football coach and former player who is the wide receivers coach and passing game coordinator for the Cleveland Browns of the National Football League.

 

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1 hour ago, Nihilarian said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/dolphins-chad-oshea-fired-patriots-offense-too-complex-young-players-nfl-024041937.html

 

According to a report from the Miami Herald, O’Shea was let go by the Dolphins after friction with teaching the Dolphins’ young roster a playbook with the complexities typically seen in Foxborough. Multiple players reportedly supported the decision to swap out O’Shea for veteran coordinator Chan Gailey.

From the Herald:

 

One player described the situation on offense last season as a “[expletive] show,” noting O’Shea tried to teach an offense that was too complex for a young team and that teaching/instruction during film study was a “disaster.”

 

 

As one player noted, O’Shea tried to run plays that were used in New England, which was predictable because O’Shea had spent the previous 10 seasons there as wide receivers coach.

 

Additionally, a player reportedly said O’Shea made the situation worse by trying to install especially complicated elements of the Patriots offense used by Tom Brady and Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels.

 

So, Chan is back with Fitz now in Miami. 

 

43 minutes ago, Happy said:

Doesn't Daboll have the same problem?  I recall John Brown mentioning that this offense is the most complex he has been in.  

 

That was my thought - we suffer from the same problem here.

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1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Is O’Shea back with the Pats?


Nope - I believe he was hired in Cleveland. 
 

I think WR coach and passing game coordinator (for what it is worth).

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47 minutes ago, Happy said:

Doesn't Daboll have the same problem?  I recall John Brown mentioning that this offense is the most complex he has been in.  

Yes.... I’m sure it’s played a part in why our offense has been average at best his first two years here... and every year for him as an OC.

 

Never understood the complex offensive playbook strategy and never really trusted McDermott hiring an OC. Keep it simple stupid. 

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always good when an AFCE opponent’s coaching ranks are in disarray. that being said, these “issues” are less about the coaching tree and more about individual personalities. last couple of seasons, Bills fans have been a bit hard on Daboll and before that were harsh on Gailey as well. Ultimately winning cures everything and losing cannot cure anything. O’Shea situation appears to be a combination of losing and inability to connect with the younger crowd.

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1 minute ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

always good when an AFCE opponent’s coaching ranks are in disarray. that being said, these “issues” are less about the coaching tree and more about individual personalities. last couple of seasons, Bills fans have been a bit hard on Daboll and before that were harsh on Gailey as well. Ultimately winning cures everything and losing cannot cure anything. O’Shea situation appears to be a combination of losing and inability to connect with the younger crowd.

Truth is Daboll has sucked everywhere he’s gone in the NFL as an OC.... fans have a legitimate gripe to question the hire and the results to this point.

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Just now, ScottLaw said:

Truth is Daboll has sucked everywhere he’s gone in the NFL as an OC.... fans have a legitimate gripe to question the hire and the results to this point.

 

So claims the gripemaster.

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6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Truth is Daboll has sucked everywhere he’s gone in the NFL as an OC.... fans have a legitimate gripe to question the hire and the results to this point.

but he has reallly connected well with Josh. That is really all that matters.

 

edit: for josh - daboll relationship see

 

https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2020/01/what-buffalo-bills-qb-josh-allen-said-about-brian-daboll-potentially-getting-hc-job.html

 

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“Listen, I love Daboll,” Allen said at the Bills’ locker room clean out. “He’s been one of my most favorite coaches that I’ve ever had in my entire football career. Whether he gets an opportunity to do that? Personally, I would hate to see it, but at the same time, you know, to get an opportunity like that for him it would be awesome. Not just for him, but for his family too. I understand that this is a business and I’d be the first one to tell him to do it if he had that opportunity. The relationship that we have is special. And I deeply care for him and his family and what he’s been able to do for me and how he has taken me under his wing. Time will tell in that aspect too, but again, a guy that I love and that will never change. Personally, I hope he’s back next year and we can keep things rolling.”

 

 

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Just now, IgotBILLStopay said:

but he has reallly connected well with Josh. That is really all that matters.

No it’s really not. Results matter, and to through 2 years the results haven’t really been there. 

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