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10 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Hopefully we have a season. Get a RB in round 2 and let's go. Bills loading up with depth in free agency makes me wonder if they're about to trade more draft picks. It's going to be difficult for our draft picks to make this roster.

 

Yannick Ngakoue?

I see them probably adding some lower round picks to move up in the 2nd round, so they might have (2nd round + X round)= 6-2= 4? picks left?  Most likely they would keep those. But still a great draft with adding a #1 wide receiver(with experience) and maybe a starting RB in this draft.

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7 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

They will not release Nsekhe.  He is a high quality swing tackle, can play left or right side of the line.  He would be a starter on most teams.  Nsekhe was clearly seen by Beane as our starting RT when they signed him until Ford dropped in the Draft.  He is also first man up at LT if Dawkins gets banged up.  We have plenty of guard depth, not as much tackle depth.  Nsekhe is safe on this roster unless some team is willing to back up a Brinks truck to One Bills Drive to get him.

.....and that may be okay with Nsekhe as it will extend his career.

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Offensive linemen (9)

This is the position that causes coaches and personnel men to lie awake at night.  Most teams would love to keep 10 offensive linemen on the active roster because they are so hard to find on the street.  Coaches and personnel will fight over how many offensive linemen to dress on game day.  Can the backup offensive guard play center if called upon?  Can the starting right tackle kick over and play left tackle in case of injury in the game?

Having versatile linemen on the roster is the key for successful teams.  If a club can get away with dressing only seven offensive linemen like the Pittsburgh Steelers did at times in 2012, that allows the team to dress more players at other positions.  Even if a team dresses eight players for game day, most personnel men would love to have a total of 10 players on the active 53-man roster due to the lack of depth at the position league-wide.  Every general manager wants to have two developmental types for the coming years on the roster.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1640782-the-anatomy-of-a-53-man-roster-in-the-nfl

Right now I see the Bills with 10 offensive linemen. Nscekhe, Ford, Dawkins, Williams,,,,,Spain,  Feliciano, Boettinger, Morse.....Bates & Victor Saleako.  .... .... Somehow, I think that they will be able, near the end of training camp, cut this down to 7 core guys and 2 development guys. ...  One or maybe two guys will get squeezed out.  Injury may take care of that.  Maybe we can trade a veteran guy to another team, that had a injury and get some sort of draft pick in 2021.

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4 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

That's a really interesting reality and a much appreciated improvement over what we've seen in years past.

 

But if I were a GM, I'd aim to get 2 PB quality studs on the OL.  I think the trench is that important.  

 

Oh I am sure they would love that too. If only it were that easy!

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7 hours ago, CEN-CAL17 said:

Williams is a capable swing tackle as well. And like 7 years younger. Both have 1 year deals. Don’t make it seem as if Nsekhe isn’t expendable.

 

Williams was a second team All Pro in 2017. There’s no reason he shouldn’t be our starting RT. If not because of his experience at RG last year he plays RG. At Tackle you have Dawkins, Williams. Ford can play RT as well. Bates stepped in last year and was decent everywhere including C, Feliciano can play all interior OL. 
 

Nsekhe is not as valuable as some may think.... we will see. But as of now. He’s behind Williams for sure. 


I think that’s a bit presumptuous.

 

Nsekhe was that laying more snaps than Ford before he got hurt, and I reckon this will be a case of salary-tells-all.

 

Dawkins was brutal at RT in the ‘17 preseason; I doubt he’s much more than an emergency option there.

 

Also, if Bates has to play tackle they’re in real trouble. He got absolutely abused by the Jets in week 17. He’s passable as an interior swing guy and an OL7 in goal-line formations.

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6 hours ago, thunderingsquid said:

Am I reading his stats right, he led the league in sacks allowed at 12?

Yes, but a majority came from when they forced him to play IOL, instead OT. Moreover, I think you can also attribute the lack of a QB with awareness behind him. Coupled with having missed the season prior due to injury.

 

Not trying to be an apologist, its entirely possible Williams doesnt have much in the tank after the injury in 2018. However, I think there were factors working against him last season.

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8 hours ago, JimmyNoodles said:

And why do we need another guard?  We have plenty. He was brought in to compete at tackle. If he’s back to form, we got an upgrade there. He’s got a year to prove it. 

Ford has more than 1 year to prove it.  We dont need Ford ar guard though.

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4 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

The Carolina Bills

 

 

 

Hopefully we don't bring this Panther alumni north

 

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I see no terms of the deal except  a one year deal. But he suffered a major injury in 2018. He did little in 2019 to prove that he is able to come back to his pre-injury level. If not, it is still worth the risk as long as it is not too high a cap cost.

If he can come back from the injury he is high reward. It is a huge gamble with huge rewards and we all hope he can beat the injury. If he can't ever come back from the injury, hopefully Beane structured the contract so that the risk is not too great as far as the cap.

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12 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I don't know if CB is not on the menu. Gaines is a more marginal signing (This team isn't passing on a good corner because they have often hurt EJ Gaines on the roster) in my opinion and RT was not an early round need even before Williams (I think tackle was more of a late round depth need.) So I don't think the Williams and Gaines signings really alter the first four rounds of the draft in terms of need. 

 

CB and Edge Rush remain the top needs on defense and Running Back, TE, and WR (For Depth and to get younger behind Brown and Beasley) remain the top needs on offense. I don't see the team's needs getting that much different. 


Great post. Only thing I disagree with is TE being a draft need. We already have 2 (IMO) promising young TEs on the roster. McD has been very open about his belief of having veterans at every position. Never say never, but I’d be really surprised if Lee Smith got cut for a rookie, and now that Kroft took a pay cut, I don’t expect him to go anywhere either. So that basically means a rookie would need to beat out Sweeney. Certainly not impossible but not to the point that I’d call TE a need in the draft. I think gains at TE need to come from Knox and/or Sweeney getting better. 

 

11 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

Bates is probably the most flexible lineman they have so as a backup he has a lot of value.


Agreed. Also, Bates and Ford are the only two young OL on the roster (I don’t count Boettger). Both of them should be getting better with age right now, whereas most of our other OL are getting worse or at best staying flat. I think Bates likely stays unless a rookie beats him out. 
 

Lastly, I love this signing! Give me a WR in round 2 or 3, a RB in round 4 or 5, and this will be a tremendous offseason. 

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13 hours ago, Charles Romes said:

Beane is absolutely killing it again. There is no reason not to load every position with competition and depth, and he’s making the whole league look stupid.  Watch him trade the “leftovers” for draft picks before the final cutdown once more.  

 

Beane is the wizard at this the way Belichick is the wizard at getting comp picks...

 

Its amazing how he gets picks for random guys he is going to cut anyways

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12 minutes ago, Cash said:


Great post. Only thing I disagree with is TE being a draft need. We already have 2 (IMO) promising young TEs on the roster. McD has been very open about his belief of having veterans at every position. Never say never, but I’d be really surprised if Lee Smith got cut for a rookie, and now that Kroft took a pay cut, I don’t expect him to go anywhere either. So that basically means a rookie would need to beat out Sweeney. Certainly not impossible but not to the point that I’d call TE a need in the draft. I think gains at TE need to come from Knox and/or Sweeney getting better. 

 


Agreed. Also, Bates and Ford are the only two young OL on the roster (I don’t count Boettger). Both of them should be getting better with age right now, whereas most of our other OL are getting worse or at best staying flat. I think Bates likely stays unless a rookie beats him out. 
 

Lastly, I love this signing! Give me a WR in round 2 or 3, a RB in round 4 or 5, and this will be a tremendous offseason. 


Not sure what is defined as “young” these days, but their oldest starter was 28 in 2019.

 

Assuming Ford starts at RT, their ages would be (from left to right): 26, 29, 28, 28, 24.

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8 hours ago, thunderingsquid said:

Am I reading his stats right, he led the league in sacks allowed at 12?

From my understanding he was moved around a lot. He’s a natural RT but Carolina forced him to play LT and LG because of injuries. He dislocated his knee cap and tore his meniscus in 2018 so that might explain why he had an off year in 2019. I think once we get the details we may have a better understanding of whether or not Beane views him as a starter or not. Either way it won’t hurt to have him compete against Cody Ford, solid depth regardless.

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38 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:


Not sure what is defined as “young” these days, but their oldest starter was 28 in 2019.

 

Assuming Ford starts at RT, their ages would be (from left to right): 26, 29, 28, 28, 24.

Keep spreading the truth brother.


I don’t understand why people want to look past Bates and give him a pass but these same posters want to say Ford can’t play. Ford DID improve and had a decent season playing RT. My hope is with an entire off season and hopefully given a set position he can further improve. Why don’t posters want players to improve?

Look at Daryl Williams career. He didn’t start every game his rookie year and came back his second season and played great. Why can’t that happen for Ford? Players improve. 

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11 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

Keep spreading the truth brother.


I don’t understand why people want to look past Bates and give him a pass but these same posters want to say Ford can’t play. Ford DID improve and had a decent season playing RT. My hope is with an entire off season and hopefully given a set position he can further improve. Why don’t posters want players to improve?

Look at Daryl Williams career. He didn’t start every game his rookie year and came back his second season and played great. Why can’t that happen for Ford? Players improve. 


I expect improvement from Ford for sure...and I’m very happy that they have two proven vet RTs in the fold in case he collapses.

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6 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:


I expect improvement from Ford for sure...and I’m very happy that they have two proven vet RTs in the fold in case he collapses.

Absolutely.
I also love that Beane is a GM that recognizes and appreciates how important o line is. Beane also doesn’t struck me as a stubborn GM. He will change if necessary.

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11 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

He is a right tackle. And a really good one. He got moved around last year because of issues on their line. 

Yes. I don’t think fans here realize this dude is solid. If he plays anywhere near like he did in 2017 when he was 2nd team All Pro.... Ford will definitely be at RG. He’s on a 1 year prove it deal, 27 years old. I’d expect Ford, Williams and Feliciano to man RG, Feliciano backing up Morse as well. Bates will get time at RT too. Nsekhe I fill will backup LT, but when it’s all said and done I think he could get cut, we will see.

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Beane has made a lot of gambling signings this year. I'd rather he do that, than just stand pat. But let's not anoint him a genius until he actually proves it. He made one major signing that can be game changing. He made numerous "depth" signings. He made a number of signings that were health gambles like EJ and Williams, that "MAY" turn out. We can only hope he can make what appeared to be a depth signing like in the case of Poyer and Lorenzo , who turned out to be a huge winners.(Not HIS victories). But we need to wait to see how his gambles turn out before we give him a win. We can hope for another Poyer signing, but they are quite rare. We have declared a lot of "Winning Pre Seasons" in the past and found out that they did not result in "Winning Seasons". Let us just hope and wait before we judge.

 

 

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